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> I wouldn't disable it completely, if you have autopatrolled rights (or
> higher) on Commons you should be able to use mobile uploads. Could be
> extended to similar rights
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> It seems, that there are still very useless images. The last days statistic:
>
> 24. Aug: 90% useless
> 25. Aug: 82% useless
> 26. Aug: 100% useless
>
> The rule impleme
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> Otherwise, how could there
> be more deletions than uploads?)
I think yes, the statistic shows, how many images are uploaded and how many
images are deleted (no matter wh
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Review needed at https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/152748 . Could somebody please
go take a look?
This should be merged as soon as possible. The success ratio for mobile/web
uploads is still very bad. I'd like to ha
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--- Comment #151 from Lupo ---
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> Then why can [[:commons:Special:Contributions/Pmirosee]] upload
> [[:commons:File:Kristen stewart 2014.jpeg]] (a clear copyvio from Getty) in
> his first edit, when he has ex
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There is the question whether the restriction will only affect the web
interface or also the Apps: [[:c:Commons:Village pump#Mobile upload
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> Ah. I misunderstood the change. Thanks for clarifying.
Np :)
Maybe @Lupo can give us (after several days) a new statistic about the
uploaded/deleted sta
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> > Or was the change only for the callout from article viewing, and not
> > special:Uploads?
>
> No, with this[1] patch the upload restriction should be
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> Or was the change only for the callout from article viewing, and not
> special:Uploads?
No, with this[1] patch the upload restriction should be on Special:Uploads,
too. I have tested it with my account (20
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Perhaps I missed something, but is this live? For example, recent entry:
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Grafitti Logo 2014-08-03 17-49.jpg" (Cont
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> I don't know if I can resolve this fixed or not
I think we can keep it on patch to review since we have feedback from Commons
users and/or the new statistic after this change.
Thanks @Matt Walker for merge.
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SQL queries used...
Images deleted:
SELECT EXTRACT(YEAR_MONTH FROM log_timestamp) AS month, count(*) AS count FROM
logging INNER JOIN tag_summary ON log_id = ts_log_id WHERE tag_summary.ts_tags
LIKE 'mobi
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Since the LIMN graphs are broken, I ran some numbers manually:
2014-01: 70% deleted (2598 of 3697)
2014-02: 74% deleted (2732 of 3705)
2014-03: 72% deleted (2698 of 3767)
2014-04: 56% deleted (2321 of 417
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@Florian: Actually, Maryana asked me to go ahead and deploy it to wmf15 so it
should be live on the Wikipedias on July 31. We'll also have to deploy a config
update sometime between now and then for it to
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@Ryan: OK :)
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@Florian: I think it's fine to let it get deployed normally. FWIW, the uploads
graph shows that unique uploaders have been halved again since the lazy-loading
loophole was closed last week:
http://mobile-r
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--- Comment #129 from Lupo ---
Thank you, Ryan, and all others involved. Max already said so at bug 68375.
If you indeed do a sprint on that rather general "improvement" bug, don't
forget the (quickly drawn up and surely incomplete) list of us
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Had a quick discussion with the PM, design, and the other developers. The
outcome of the discussion was to go ahead and implement some minimum local edit
count threshold across all projects (in addition to
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Florian: Actually, that change doesn't really take effect until tomorrow. It
was deployed to Commons yesterday, but very few mobile users go to
Special:Uploads directly on Commons. Most use it from the Wik
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> Change 143822 merged by jenkins-bot:
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> https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/143822
This patch (don't
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I just want to emphasize that hosting copyright violation is a crime in certain
countries. There were a few bills (DMCA safe harbour) that allows WMF to
operate, though, but this libera
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BTW, since we're all so focused on "statistics" right now, a cautionary note:
If the statistics say X% were deleted, that does *not* mean that the remaining
(100-X)% were OK.
I just went over the mobile/web uplo
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> @Lupo, I'm getting the numbers directly from the Commons database. Here's my
> SQL if anyone with access to the database wants to double-check:
>
> select fa_nam
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Patch for lazy-loading bug (bug 68414) checked in:
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There's a decent chance this loophole is responsible for the discrepancy in
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--- Comment #119 from Kunal Mehta (Legoktm) ---
[17:05:11] legoktm: can you run those numbers for after july 10?
[17:05:36] sure.
[17:06:49] 219237 uploads overall
[17:07:04] 1308 in mobile
[17:07:26] 672 mobile
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http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-mobile/20140722.txt and
http://bots.wmflabs.org/~wm-bot/logs/%23wikimedia-mobile/20140723.txt
Mainly focusing on what I said (trimmed for relevan
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mariadb> select count(log_timestamp) from filearchive, logging
where fa_name = log_title and log_action = "upload" and log_timestamp >=
'2014070100';
1 row(s) returned
# count(log
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>Can somebody summarize what the current restrictions are? It's just
>autoconfirmed on local wiki, right?
That is correct.
>Can somebody explain to me why this user
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--- Comment #115 from Steinsplitter ---
I agree with Lupo. Stop denying the problem by presenting fake or wrong
numbers.
Why it is so difficult to get a correct statistic? Why volunteer need to
explain thousand times the same thing and why vol
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@Lupo, I'm getting the numbers directly from the Commons database. Here's my
SQL if anyone with access to the database wants to double-check:
select fa_name, log_timestamp, fa_deleted_timestamp from f
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> Total uploads to Commons contributed from 7/1-today (7/22) that have been
> deleted as of today: 2117
> Total uploads to Commons contributed from 7/1-today *from
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> 2. Because we are a wiki. Allowing people to share isn't just a motto we're
> supposed to give lip service to. We should exhaust as many plausible
> solutions as pos
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Thanks, Ryan – totally agreed.
So, I just pulled the data for all deleted uploads in July, not just mobile
web:
Total uploads to Commons contributed from 7/1-today (7/22) that have been
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--- Comment #110 from Lupo ---
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> 2. Implementing a less dramatic change. For example, requiring a minimum 75
> edit count locally rather than on Commons.
Can somebody summarize what the current res
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>What's the exact reason to not make a more drastic change and afterwards
>experiment with changing the threshold again, instead of the other way round?
There are two reasons:
1. To get enough data to a
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This dos not help. Our experience. (In reply to Max Semenik from comment #107)
> How about: ask uploaders where they took the image from?
This dos not help. It is our experience.
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--- Comment #107 from Max Semenik ---
How about: ask uploaders where they took the image from?
* With options like "I made it myself", "my grandma made it", "found it
somewhere on the interwebz".
* Until they've selected something, don't allow
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> That change would eliminate virtually all mobile uploaders.
Why is that worse than wasting even more community members' time needed to
delete the rather con
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@lupo @rillke:
I think we can do something for mobile.js - It is annoying to ask the devs and
to wait every time months.
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--- Comment #104 from Ryan Kaldari ---
>I think it is OKAY to implant the things suggested in comment 85.
>I hope we can resolve this in a few day (and not weeks)
That change would eliminate virtually all mobile uploaders. Only a miniscule
p
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I think it is OKAY to implant the things suggested in comment 85.
I hope we can resolve this in a few day (and not weeks)
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--- Comment #102 from Lupo ---
I get those numbers directly from the upload logs. For your convenience, here
they are:
July 16:
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Thanks for the explanation! So where do Lupo's numbers come from?
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> Sorry for being dense, but where are you getting those numbers from? Here's
> what I see by counting what's in User:Didym/Mobile_upload/2014_July_17-21:
>
> July 17:
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Sorry for being dense, but where are you getting those numbers from? Here's
what I see by counting what's in User:Didym/Mobile_upload/2014_July_17-21:
July 17: 104 uploads; 40 deleted
July 18: 71 uploads;
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(In reply to Ryan Kaldari from comment #97)
> >From July 16 to July 21 (including), there were at least 330 speedy
> >deletions of
> >Mobile/Web uploads.
>
> Where do you get 330? I count 93. Does that list incl
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>From July 16 to July 21 (including), there were at least 330 speedy deletions
>of
>Mobile/Web uploads.
Where do you get 330? I count 93. Does that list include both app and web
uploads or just web?
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> FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has
> on percentage of uploads deleted.
I disagree. It's not too early. Just see the link I gav
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> @Florian - sorry, wrong link on #2 - here's live-updating deleted mobile
> (web and apps) uploads per month:
> http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/deleted-up
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> This is _not_ a lot of money for the wikimedia foundation.
Argh :/ What is with third-party wikis? Yeah, maybe they haven't this problem,
but in my opinion it's not the best way to introduce a function in an
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> FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has
> on percentage of uploads deleted. There is one reason to be cautiously
> optimist
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FWIW, I think it's still too early to see what effect the latest change has on
percentage of uploads deleted. There is one reason to be cautiously optimistic
though. Typically, mobile web deletions outstrip
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> and the number of deleted uploads this month is also extremely
> low compared to what we've seen in other months.[2] Let's focus on the
> actual data, pleas
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@Florian - sorry, wrong link on #2 - here's live-updating deleted mobile (web
and apps) uploads per month:
http://mobile-reportcard.wmflabs.org/graphs/deleted-uploads
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> You mean only Editcount on commons or globally?
Yes. Commons editcount.
> @Maryana: Does we have a statistic of delted mobile uploads or is it what i
> see on ge
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Regarding the Google Image search idea, this is a frequent suggestion that we
have looked into. The main problem is that the only sites that offer this as an
API service either charge money for it or have s
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> sorry for posting again, i mean:
> diff (required usergroup to upload with -75 edits):
> - autoconfimred
> + autopatrolled
>
> __OR__ mimimun editcount on commons
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Note: since we deployed the last patch (to add the autoconfirmed threshold to
the left nav Uploads feature as well as the in-article upload) on July 10th,
unique mobile web uploaders dropped by half (fro
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sorry for posting again, i mean:
diff (required usergroup to upload with -75 edits):
- autoconfimred
+ autopatrolled
__OR__ mimimun editcount on commons is "75"
Thanks.
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--- Comment #84 from Steinsplitter ---
Can somone pleas set ip a patch for reqired usergroup to upload:
diff:
- autoconfimred
+ autopatrolled
AND mimimun editcount on commons: 75
And then let uns see if works. I am sure this reduces the crapu
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--- Comment #83 from Florian ---
(In reply to Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia from comment #82)
> (In reply to Florian from comment #81)
> > These suggestions are all good
> Which suggestions? Please clarify.
E.g. a better detection of duplic
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--- Comment #82 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia ---
(In reply to Florian from comment #81)
> Duplicate images will be detected already
If they are exact duplicates (i.e. their data-hash matches), true. Consider an
App that allows alterin
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--- Comment #81 from Florian ---
> to address the duplicate issue
Duplicate images will be detected already, maybe there is a problem in
detection of scaled images.
But, like i said in german discussion on commons, (@mobile team, if i'm
compl
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--- Comment #80 from Rainer Rillke @commons.wikimedia ---
(In reply to Florian from comment #78)
> I think alot of mobile users visit Wikipedia and Commons with a limited data
> plan
They probably want to avoid uploading at all because images
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