Re: [Wikidata-l] Sitelinks to Redirects

2014-10-16 Thread Jane Darnell
Purodha, Redirects are cheap - so cheap in fact, that they take up more space when you delete them, so even if they are misspelled or whatever, they are mostly left to rot unless they break something (for example when someone wants to use a redlink like [[redlink]] and someone else makes a

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Multimedia] Inclusion criteria for Wikidata items for paintings, engravings, illustrations, manuscript folios, photographs, old postcards, etc ?

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
@Daniel - the further back you go, the more notable the engravings in books become (see for example the whole family of engravings and copies thereof for the 17th-century Counts of Holland series) and sometimes engravings from books are the source for paintings. @Nemo - I don't follow your

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
There are multiple issues with linking the German Wikipedia's afrikanische Pflaume to the French Wikipedia's safou: 1) A tree can only interwikilink to a tree or combined article on the tree + fruit and a fruit can only interwikilink to a fruit or a combined article on the tree + fruit (this is

Re: [Wikidata-l] Users do understand Wikidata less than before

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
nope On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 6:23 PM, Smolenski Nikola smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Citiranje Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: 2) There is no way of making an interwikilink for a redirect, and the German Wikipedia's afrikanische Pflaume is currently a redirect to Prunus You should still

Re: [Wikidata-l] Re-enable quick editing in Wikidata please

2014-10-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Romaine, Have you looked at quick statements to add or update information in Wikidata? It is here: http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/quick_statements.php Maybe this will help you do repetitive updates (you still need to build a list of something, but then you don't have to wait for Wikidata

Re: [Wikidata-l] [Multimedia] Inclusion criteria for Wikidata items for paintings, engravings, illustrations, manuscript folios, photographs, old postcards, etc ?

2014-10-12 Thread Jane Darnell
I think the place for all data about an image should be Wikidata. It will be trivial to update a Wikidata item with an image when that image becomes available on Commons. Until that time, the item can point to a catalog's online or offline entry where the image can be viewed. I am thinking for

Re: [Wikidata-l] Linking to Wikipedia page using Wikidata ID

2014-09-09 Thread Jane Darnell
, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I would like the same sort of thing for use on the English Wikipedia for pictures, so for example if you link to the Wikidata item image property and this is filled with a value, it will present the image that is on Wikidata, and if not, will present

Re: [Wikidata-l] Linking to Wikipedia page using Wikidata ID

2014-09-03 Thread Jane Darnell
I just created this on Wikidata here, but the list order is out of whack: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Talk:Q17616737 On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 7:42 AM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 3 September 2014 04:51, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: I would like the same sort

Re: [Wikidata-l] Linking to Wikipedia page using Wikidata ID

2014-09-02 Thread Jane Darnell
I would like the same sort of thing for use on the English Wikipedia for pictures, so for example if you link to the Wikidata item image property and this is filled with a value, it will present the image that is on Wikidata, and if not, will present an alternate such as [1]. Has anyone built such

Re: [Wikidata-l] WikiData Categories

2014-07-04 Thread Jane Darnell
Q17 is Japan, and if you are interested in people from Japan for example, you can do this: http://tools.wmflabs.org/reasonator/?q=7463305 (thanks to Magnus' reasonator tool that can extract category-like info from Wikidata based on properties and qualifiers) On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 9:01 AM,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Reasonator ignores of qualifier

2014-06-14 Thread Jane Darnell
Derric, Good luck with your edit-a-thon today [1] and it would be awesome if you could introduce Reasonator and Wikidata while discussing Wikipedia. I think it is very interesting that you just discovered Magnus through Reasonator instead of the other way around - discovering more of Magnus

Re: [Wikidata-l] WP-geocoordinates filter by using Wikidata classes

2014-05-10 Thread Jane Darnell
Kolossos, Thanks for this work - it's fascinating to see the huge gaps in the data and I was wondering if maybe this reflects the work of lots of individuals who have input those properties by hand, or whether some people have enabled clever bots for their regions that other regions could reuse?

Re: [Wikidata-l] weekly summary #108

2014-05-05 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi all, What I don't understand is the need to keep all labels blank until they are updated by hand. Especially for biographical articles, it would be nice to have original spellings of the person's name, even if it's Chinese or something else really far away from English. That might serve as a

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-05 Thread Jane Darnell
David, I assume you are referring to books. The same is true for works of art. The reason why these statements are still valuable is because it is an attribution based on grounds determined by someone somewhere and based on that loose statement alone are therefore considered of interest. You

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-05 Thread Jane Darnell
: a) uncertainty: it is hinted that Pete was the son of Klaus, but I have no conclusive proof b) rebuttal: Source A says that Pete was the younger brother of Klaus, I can disprove that (but I cannot provide an alternative) Cheers, Micru On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Jane Darnell jane

Re: [Wikidata-l] When the source says the information provided is dubious

2014-05-05 Thread Jane Darnell
claims (even if they don't offer better ones). On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I guess I am still not getting it - both of your examples wouldn't make it into one of my Wikipedia articles, and I would probably remove them from an existing article

Re: [Wikidata-l] Bot request: 250+ thousands person data

2014-04-27 Thread Jane Darnell
I was stumped by the same question and couldn't find an answer anywhere either - as I recall, I just picked the default option, whichever it was 2014-04-27 14:04 GMT+02:00, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com: I started my bothttps://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Dexboton: P31

Re: [Wikidata-l] Making Wikidata entries at the time of 'Article for Creation' publication

2014-03-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi Andy, You hit the nail on the head! I have been cataloguing the artists of the Netherlands since 2009 and have created tons of stubs on Wikipedia that now all need to become items on Wikidata. Most of them became items in the Great Item-creation party of the first few months after WD's birth,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Meta header for asserting that a web page is about a Wikidata subject

2014-02-26 Thread Jane Darnell
my 2c: I trust your judgement, so to the last two queries: No and Yes respectively. 2014-02-26 14:20 GMT+01:00, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: Suppose I publish a web page about a notable person, building or other entity; and that the subject has a Wikidata entry. What's the best

Re: [Wikidata-l] difference between Person and Human classes

2014-02-15 Thread Jane Darnell
I would imagine it's for fictional characters like Little Red Riding Hood, but I see that when I click on What links here while on page Q215627 I see Sleeping Beauty, but also roles and dead people. I am just as lost as you are! 2014-02-15 2:42 GMT+01:00, Hady elsahar hadyelsa...@gmail.com: Hi

Re: [Wikidata-l] classes and qualifiers

2013-11-05 Thread Jane Darnell
Hi TomTOm, Be careful what you wish for! If this were possible, then if someone changed the dates, this could mess up other things. We already have a big job untangling mismatched interwiki links, and this would make such mismatches possible to the nth degree. Jane Sent from my iPad On Nov 4,

Re: [Wikidata-l] Happy Birthday, Wikidata!

2013-10-29 Thread Jane Darnell
Ditto! Can't wait to see what the next year brings- Jane Sent from my iPad On Oct 29, 2013, at 1:02 AM, Alolita Sharma alolita.sha...@gmail.com wrote: Awesomely cool. Lydia thanks for sharing and celebrating Wikidata's first birthday. Alolita Sharma On Oct 28, 2013 4:59 PM, Lydia

Re: [Wikidata-l] Automatic summaries?

2013-09-07 Thread Jane Darnell
Sounds like another one of your brilliant ideas, Magnus. If you built it, I would definitely use it. I would also be happy with a description=name solution - anything is better than the blank fields I see now. 2013/9/7, Luca Martinelli martinellil...@gmail.com: 2013/9/7 Magnus Manske

Re: [Wikidata-l] Make Commons a wikidata client

2013-08-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Maarten, thanks for that clarification! Gerard, I totally agree with you. Personally I was hoping for a way to use WikiData to find Commons images that was *not* through the gallery/category structures as we know them, for all the reasons Gerard has mentioned (in this and previous mails). Now

Re: [Wikidata-l] Make Commons a wikidata client

2013-08-12 Thread Jane Darnell
place? After I sent that email it occurred to me though that probably most, if not all the people on Commons who understand this stuff are already Wikidatans anyway. So maybe it's a moot point. 2013/8/12, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com: 2013/8/11 Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com: Hmm, I

Re: [Wikidata-l] Wikidata slides on Wikimania2013

2013-08-11 Thread Jane Darnell
Thanks Lydia! 2013/8/11, Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Jiang BIAN, 10/08/2013 18:48: Hi, Is there a place that I can find the slides used on this Wikimania? They have to go here:

Re: [Wikidata-l] Make Commons a wikidata client

2013-08-11 Thread Jane Darnell
number of Wikidata items with no link at all to Wikipedia. Thanks, Gerard On 11 August 2013 09:36, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, I am not quite sure how to see this. Places and people yes: It would be nice to have the geo coordinates on Wikidata and for the artist

Re: [Wikidata-l] Browser search plugins for Wikidata

2013-07-13 Thread Jane Darnell
Hmm, I tried installing this plugin for Chrome, but I just get the message This web page has not been found 2013/7/12, Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com: (Apologies if you are getting this twice - I accidentally send this to wikidata-tech earlier on.) Hey all, Today I had a day off and

Re: [Wikidata-l] Accelerating software innovation with Wikidata and improved Wikicode

2013-07-09 Thread Jane Darnell
Michael, The wonderful thing about organic growth models is that they are sometimes extremely energy efficient, and very hard for computers to compete with. If as you say such a 5-year-plan to reduce CO2 emissions were executed, all sorts of other, unintended bad things would happen, such as

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

2013-06-23 Thread Jane Darnell
:49 AM, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com wrote: [...] do you think there is a need for this file to have its own F status in WikiData? Yes. The reason to have file entities is mainly to have a platform that can store semantic descriptions of a file. For text searches in classical terms

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

2013-06-21 Thread Jane Darnell
I was thinking about items vs properties and Commons. I am not sure a F entity is necessary. In theory, each file on Commons can be linked to another one, and each item on WikiData can be linked to another one, but those links do not necessarily need to interconnect with Commons. If a Commons file

Re: [Wikidata-l] Is an ecosystem of Wikidatas possible?

2013-06-20 Thread Jane Darnell
I don't see each file on Commons having its own WikiData item, but I do think each subject of files should have their own item (and some, but not all of them, may also have their own wikipedia pages). These files on Commons could make use of properties on wikidata like is designed by, is a copy

Re: [Wikidata-l] Representing Wikidata at LODLAM Summit 2013

2013-06-19 Thread Jane Darnell
Good work, David, go for it! I am very curious to see if the UN comes back with anything 2013/6/19, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com: Hi there! I am right now at the LODLAM Summit in Montreal and there was a wish to get Wikidata information, so I improvised a short talk (6th column of the

Re: [Wikidata-l] 20% of interwiki conflicts solved at nl-wiki, others?

2013-06-16 Thread Jane Darnell
I noticed this when I clicked on a few notorious Dutch-English wikipages that I know of - thanks for all the good work! I for one, appreciate it. I think the only reason this can be done is thanks to WikiData, which now easily shows what other interwiki possibilities are when you select an item.

Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about wikipedia categories.

2013-05-09 Thread Jane Darnell
908-561-3416 -Original Message- From: wikidata-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikidata-l- boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jane Darnell Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 12:14 PM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about

Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about wikipedia categories.

2013-05-07 Thread Jane Darnell
(DAG) with a single root at entity (thing). On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 3:03 AM, Mathieu Stumpf psychosl...@culture-libre.org wrote: Le 2013-05-06 18:13, Jane Darnell a écrit : Yes, there is and should be more than one

Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about wikipedia categories.

2013-05-06 Thread Jane Darnell
Yes, there is and should be more than one ontology, and that is already the case with categories, which are so flexible they can loop around and become their own grandfather. Dbpedia complaints should be discussed on that list, I am not a dbpedia user, though I think it's a useful project to

Re: [Wikidata-l] Question about wikipedia categories.

2013-05-04 Thread Jane Darnell
Wondering exactly the same thing - my frustrations with categories began about three years ago and it seems I am surprised monthly by severe limitations to this outdated apparatus. I am a heavy category user, but I would love to be able to kick it out the door in favour of a more structured

Re: [Wikidata-l] Browsing Wikipedia categories by popularity

2013-04-12 Thread Jane Darnell
Nice work! Interesting to see that you made it in Mathematica, of all things! 2013/4/12, Michael Hale hale.michael...@live.com: I made a quick demo of browsing Wikipedia categories by popularity. The video is here (sorry about the audio quality): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3QXwY-XR28The

Re: [Wikidata-l] Complaint about the partial Phase II deployment

2013-02-08 Thread Jane Darnell
Sven, I see your point, since I also spent some time creating data items for a while and then stopped. I disagree that this means that I lost interest. I am still very interested, and I was also somewhat puzzled by the new look. I disagree though that this release causes any more confusion than

Re: [Wikidata-l] Order of language links

2013-01-09 Thread Jane Darnell
I think the order of languages is only important for articles with lots of interwiki links, but for the vast majority of articles there will be less than 5 or so and it doesn't matter. I often click on article interwikis for languages I don't know and can't read (like Japanese). I do this for

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