Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Thanks a lot everyone for your input! That helped clarify our thinking. As a next step in that area we will concentrate on making use of the unit symbols where they are available. That should cover a very large percentage of cases. After that we'll tackle the rest as necessary. Cheers Lydia --

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi! > Well, I think we could sidestep the grammar issue by using unit symbols. We True, but what unit symbol is "apple"? It's actually used as measure of height (bonus points if you can guess on which item :). Even if we don't go this far, while SI units probably all have short names, for non-SI

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Am 28.07.2016 um 12:26 schrieb Lydia Pintscher: > The discussion about how to do this is happening in > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86528 The basic problem is that we > do use items for the units. I think this is the right thing to do but > it does make this particular part a bit tricky.

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

‬ 2016-07-29 14:18 GMT+03:00 Thomas Douillard : > My two cents : this is a job to do in conjunction with structured > wiktionary, who will be able to deal with lexical entities. > Ideally, yes, but it will take us some time to get there. > We however have some

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Norwegian have a lot of colloquialisms that must be handled if you want the language to sound natural. The example with "kilo" exists in a lot of languages in one form or another. Then you have congruence on external factors (direction, length, emptyness), missing plurals for some units (Norwegian

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Stas, Thomas, John, Markus, Lydia and Wikidatans, What happens when one develops structured Wiktionary ( https://www.wiktionary.org/), as linked open data for every part of every word and their sounds, perhaps as Qitems in Wikidata, in Wikipedia's 358 languages, and planning for all 7,943

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

In general this has more implications than simple singular/plural forms of units. Agreement/concord/congruence is the proper term. [1] In some language you will even change the form given the distance to the thing you are measuring or counting, even depending on the type of thing you are measuring

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

My two cents : this is a job to do in conjunction with structured wiktionary, who will be able to deal with lexical entities. We however have some properties here and there to deal with such languages issues to deal with this inside Wikidata, female form of occupation name for example, but the

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi! > You mean the MediaWiki message processing code? This would probably be Yes, exactly. > powerful enough for units as well, but it works based on message strings > that look a bit like MW template calls. Someone has to enter such > strings for all units (and languages). This would be doable

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

How best to anticipate and plan here for ever more accurate translation between Wikipedia / Wikidata languages with full STEM precision? What's the road map? How might this "Unit Localization" Phabricator RFC https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86528 fit into a series of Phabricator RFCs in a

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

2016-07-28 20:41 GMT+02:00 Stas Malyshev : > > just need one alternative label for most languages? Or are there > > languages with more complex grammar rules for units? > > Oh yes :) Russian is one, but I'm sure there are others. > > Actually, most of the slavic languages

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi! > The discussion about how to do this is happening in > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86528 The basic problem is that we I'm not sure if this is a localization issue as such... even if we used only one language, we still would need to use a proper grammatical form (unless we'd chose a

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 9:18 PM, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > Right now, quantities with units are displayed by attaching unit name to > the number. While it gives the idea of what is going on, it is somewhat > ungrammatical in English (83 kilgoramm, 185 centimetre,

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hoi, The problem is that Wikidata does not support lexical attributies. Once it does it will be resolved. Until that time it and similar issues will not go away. Thanks, Gerard On 27 July 2016 at 22:07, Stas Malyshev wrote: > Hi! > > > Where are the names of those

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

2016-07-28 9:21 GMT+02:00 Markus Kroetzsch : > Or are there languages with more complex grammar rules for units? > Russian is pretty complicated, using singular nominative, singular genitive and plural genitive based on the number, as examples in the initial

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi Stas, Good point. Could we not just have a monolingual text string property that gives the preferred writing of the unit when used after a number? I don't think the plural/singular issue is very problematic, since you would have plural almost everywhere, even for "1.0 metres". So maybe we

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi! > Where are the names of those units translated at the moment? I assume on the wikidata items for them, those are just labels for wikidata items (as units are items). > If these are MediaWiki messages, grammar rules for them can be added > fairly easily. If I can see where they are now, I

Re: [Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Where are the names of those units translated at the moment? If these are MediaWiki messages, grammar rules for them can be added fairly easily. If I can see where they are now, I could probably make a quite demo patch to show how it can be done. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע

[Wikidata] Grammatical display of units

Hi! Right now, quantities with units are displayed by attaching unit name to the number. While it gives the idea of what is going on, it is somewhat ungrammatical in English (83 kilgoramm, 185 centimetre, etc.) [1] and in other languages - i.e. in Russian it's 83 килограмм, 185 сантиметр -