Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking
Let's see. Joancreaus on IRC I think mentioned that he was interested in pywikipedia + wikidata. I hope that there are enough people interested in that so that the pywp community won't have to wait too long to use that beautiful framework. Cheers, Denny 2012/8/14 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: Yes, although my point is that pywikipedia will probably not be made compatible with Wikidata anytime soon. - Original Message - From: Samat Sent: 08/13/12 09:13 PM To: Discussion list for the Wikidata project. Subject: Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com wrote: ... Bináris and Andre Engels have volunteered to make pywikipedia compatible with wikidata. Bináris said on the 24th of July that he is busy, in a response from Lydia to translate the Wikibase extensions into Hungarian. Since no progress has been made on that on translatewiki, I am going to assume that he still is busy. Do you think of these [1] messages? I think, we can find volunteers for translation into Hungarian. [1]: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special%3ATranslatetaction=translategroup=ext-wikibase-repolanguage=hulimit=100task=view Samat ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l -- Project director Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. +49-30-219 158 26-0 | http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/8/13 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: For example: * The interwiki bots' will definitely have to be modified for the Wikidata age. Did anybody start a conversation with the operators of these bots? MerlIwBot is the only bot that is compatible with Wikidata. Is there any reason not to make the others compatible, too? IIRC, they all use the same upstream pywikipedia code. Or am I naïve? No reason, no. I am not sure what the status is there. If you look at http://wikidata-test-repo.wikimedia.de/wiki/Special:RecentChanges and show bot edits you can see that MerlIwBot is already busy. Merlissimo: Can you comment on this? Lydia has started a conversation with the operators of the bots that have volunteered to transit interwiki links to Wikidata. Is it public? No, I didn't get to it yet beyond what you saw above. It's still on my todo unfortunately. * How will bots identify pages that use Wikidata? Is this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MerlIwBot/WikiData what you are looking for? Well, probably. Probing Wikidata and seeing whether the page appears there sounds reasonable. If everybody uses it, of course. What happens if a bot doesn't behave well and does add a plain old interlanguage link to a page that is already connected to Wikidata? Which link will be shown to the reader - the old, the new, or both? The local one will overwrite the one in Wikidata. So the local one is shown. And what to do with the bot account - block it to make the operator notice that he should upgrade? That is a decision the editors and admins have to make. Cheers Lydia -- Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher Community Communications for Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. Obentrautstr. 72 10963 Berlin www.wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 Nz. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking
2012/8/13 Lydia Pintscher lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de: On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2012/8/13 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: Is this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MerlIwBot/WikiData what you are looking for? Well, probably. Probing Wikidata and seeing whether the page appears there sounds reasonable. If everybody uses it, of course. What happens if a bot doesn't behave well and does add a plain old interlanguage link to a page that is already connected to Wikidata? Which link will be shown to the reader - the old, the new, or both? The local one will overwrite the one in Wikidata. So the local one is shown. This is not correct. Local pages _can_ overwrite the data from Wikidata, but do not do so automatically. They have to use the noexternalinterlang [1] parsefunction to do so. As of now, both would be shown. Insofar as both point to the same page, that should be considered a bug and is going to change. I filed a respective bug [2]. Cheers, Denny [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Wikibase_Client#noexternalinterlang [2] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39304 ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking
Hi, Some inline comments. - Original Message - From: Amir E. Aharoni Sent: 08/12/12 11:56 AM To: wikidata-l Subject: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking Hi, I'm not sure that it was discussed already. If it was discussed, please point me there. I read the Technical proposal and the translatable pages on Meta and couldn't find it there. Is there any concrete plan to start the migration of the current interlanguage links to Wikidata storage? For example: * The interwiki bots' will definitely have to be modified for the Wikidata age. Did anybody start a conversation with the operators of these bots? MerlIwBot is the only bot that is compatible with Wikidata. Lydia has started a conversation with the operators of the bots that have volunteered to transit interwiki links to Wikidata. * How will interwiki conflicts be handled? Judging by earlier discussions, I suppose that Wikidata will just let pages with conflicts work as they always did, but this is an important issue that should be answered in the FAQ.[1] Correct. This issue was discussed at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikidata/Development/Storyboard_for_linking_Wikipedia_articles_v0.1 * How will bots identify pages that use Wikidata? Is this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MerlIwBot/WikiData what you are looking for? I am going to leave this question mostly unanswered for others. This might be related to what you are talking about. Maybe the answer to all of the above questions is: The Wikidata developers intentionally want to leave these things to the editors community. If it is, then this is fine. It is even hinted in the Technical proposal. But it should be written more explicitly, so that the communities will actually start to work on that. Again, if somebody already started it, please point me there. Thank you! [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikidata/FAQ -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
Re: [Wikidata-l] thoughts about a plan for enabling interlanguage linking
2012/8/13 Snaevar snaevar-w...@gmx.com: For example: * The interwiki bots' will definitely have to be modified for the Wikidata age. Did anybody start a conversation with the operators of these bots? MerlIwBot is the only bot that is compatible with Wikidata. Is there any reason not to make the others compatible, too? IIRC, they all use the same upstream pywikipedia code. Or am I naïve? Lydia has started a conversation with the operators of the bots that have volunteered to transit interwiki links to Wikidata. Is it public? * How will bots identify pages that use Wikidata? Is this http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:MerlIwBot/WikiData what you are looking for? Well, probably. Probing Wikidata and seeing whether the page appears there sounds reasonable. If everybody uses it, of course. What happens if a bot doesn't behave well and does add a plain old interlanguage link to a page that is already connected to Wikidata? Which link will be shown to the reader - the old, the new, or both? And what to do with the bot account - block it to make the operator notice that he should upgrade? -- Amir ___ Wikidata-l mailing list Wikidata-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikidata-l
