Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Barbara Dieu
Dear Joyce, I was recently contacted with a similar offer by the same publisher to write a chapter in a book . They wanted me to sign-off my copyright to them. I declined as I wanted to have the right to re-use my own material with other people, not necessarily those with the money to buy the

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
I appreciate your input and will explore these options with any future works. In this case I have already spent four years with Allyn and Bacon on this book (long before I knew anything about OER) and feel that I have been well-treated by my editor and by the publisher who have provided ample

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
I was not really defending Pearson...they are certainly not lambs...but my editor is wonderful and so are others I have worked with...as I mentioned in an earlier e-mail...I will probably choose other options for new works...but I entered into this contract long before I even knew about OER...so I

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
Thank you. I think that it is important that we work on these issues together as cordially as possible. Big publishers don't particularly like OER either as my editor reminded me just this morning...I don't want to be caught in the middle but I have been a mediator many times in my life...perhaps

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread kirby urner
I was just having lunch with my uncle, who self-published a book on pre-WW1 submarine construction in the North Pacific region of the USA (Seattle etc.). He shared about his dealings with Amazon, but more generally with publishers witnessing the digital revolution. I did his website:

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling torn...Commitment to OER versus prior commitments

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
Very insightful comments. I think that we have a good topic here. You are right on many points. At this stage of my life (60+) I just want to get my life experiences and hopefully wisdom out to as many people as possible. At the time I began this publishing venture, Allyn and Bacon seemed the best

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Chris Harvey
The only example of a book I own licensed under a free license, I dont really know if this would be considered an OER or whatever but none the less check this out. http://oreilly.com/openbook/freedom/

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread gene loeb
Joyce, after all of this suspense, Iwould like to read the bopok What is the title and where can we get it? Gene On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 12:55 PM, joyce.mckni...@esc.edu wrote: Thank you. I think that it is important that we work on these issues together as cordially as possible. Big

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
The title is Community Organizing Theory and Practice. I am working on the third draft. I am using the second draft with my students (printed by our college bookstore for $30). You could order that draft from them (SUNY/Empire State College bookstore)...but it is not nearly as good as the version

Re: [WikiEducator] An Ethical Dilemma -- Feeling sad :-)- When publishers don't do what they say they intend to do

2010-10-06 Thread Joyce . McKnight
Sounds really cool and is probably a good example of how free material online does not necessarily preclude traditional publishing. I am not expert in this area, but it reminds me of what has happened in the music industry...folks hear something they like for free on YouTube or small snippets on