[WikiEducator] [Invitation] (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20080111T083000Z DTEND:20080111T093000Z DTSTAMP:20080111T082108Z ORGANIZER;CN=Leigh Blackall:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:MAILTO:wikieducator@googlegroups.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;CN=Leigh Blackall;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20080111T082106Z DESCRIPTION:Eric said:brlining up with decisions that have been made.b rbrlike a red rag to a bull\, but I better check what you actually mean by that Eric? It sounds like accept what you are given\, is that what you mean?brbrI keep seeing new features added without anyone in this email list requesting them\, while there have been plenty of requests and sugges tions made to this email list and they seem to largely go ignored\, or get lost with obscure largely non progressive responses. I would even say defen sive - which is not a good sign at all!brbrMany of the features Wayne a nd you have introduced are pretty good though\, but it is a concern that th ey are introduced without any evident consultation with the community whi le the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! Yes\, I con sider myself in that community...brbrBrent is the only person who has r eplied to my concerns about the RSS problem. He has replied twice with prac tical suggestions. One was to contact the extension author and see if he ca n fix it. I did\, and no reply from the author. The next response from Bren t was for the administrator to update the RSS extension and see if that fix es the problem. This strikes me as a reasonably simple step (compared to LT and Kaltura efforts)\, but as yet the suggestion has had no response from an administrator\, but a surprise release of Kaltura did get announced... I think action on the RSS issue is over due.brbrI have pushed the RSS up date request to the point of nagging\, but no response or action from the a dministrator leads to second guessing!brbrI too hope this community (or I) do not begin second guessing WE\, as a hell of a lot has been invested in it this end. But I'm getting a strong sense of take what you are given \, and a centralised administration with an agenda that is neither document ed or discussed in this forum.brbrA working RSS is an essential feature in this day and age. At least as important as the primary features of the MediaWiki as it is out of the box. But I'm nagging again. I hate having to nag\, but some response that shows consideration made to the suggestions ma de by Brent would be great. Or perhaps administration powers shared for the purpose of fixing this problem. Or\, some constructive response!brbrSo rry if it seems that I am escalating this\, its just that I am alarmed by y our last message Eric\,brbrRegards\,brLeighbrbrdiv class=gmail_ quoteOn Jan 11\, 2008 2:56 PM\, Erik Moeller lt\;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt\ ; wrote:brblockquote class=gmail_quote style=border-left: 1px solid r gb(204\, 204\, 204)\; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex\; padding-left: 1ex\;div class=Ih2E3dbrOn 1/10/08\, Leigh Blackall lt\;a href=mailto:leighb [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/agt\; wrote:brgt\; It was clashing with Liquid Threads right? Given the enthusiasm for Kalturabrgt \; and the underenthusiasm for LT\, perhaps we could have Kaltura back on\, andbrgt\; LT off?brbr/divMhh\, part of working together as a team is lining up with decisionsbrthat have been made. I really hope WikEd wo n't develop a culture ofbrconstant second-guessing - I've seen more than enough of that inbrWikipedia. :-)brbrBTW\, some of the issues we've s een with LQT (such as amp\; in titles notbrworking) are general MW/Apa che issues\, not specific to LQT.brfont color=#88--brErik Mölle rbr/fontdivdiv/divdiv class=Wj3C7cbr--~--~-~--~ ~--wbr--~---~--~~brYou received this message because yo u are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group.brTo post to t his group\, send email to a href=mailto:wikieducator@googlegroups.comwi [EMAIL PROTECTED]/abrTo unsubscribe from this group\, send em ail to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]wikieduca tor-unsubscribewbr@googlegroups.com/abrFor more options\, visit this group at a href=http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en; target =_blankhttp://groups.google.com/groupwbr/wikieducator?hl=en/abr-~- -~~~~--wbr~~--~--~---brbr/div/div /blockquote/divbrbr clear=allbr-- br--brLeigh Blackallbr+ 64(0)21736539brskype - leigh_blackallbrSL - Leroy Goalpostbrhttp://le arnonline.wordpress.com\n\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calenda r/event?action=VIEWeid=MTY5MGw4dGhsNGpvbW9wOGFybGlybnE4dTQgd2lraWVkdWNhdG9
[WikiEducator] Re: Kaltura Collaborative Video Editing Extension Enabled
BEGIN:VCALENDAR PRODID:-//Google Inc//Google Calendar 70.9054//EN VERSION:2.0 CALSCALE:GREGORIAN METHOD:REQUEST BEGIN:VEVENT DTSTART:20080111T083000Z DTEND:20080111T093000Z DTSTAMP:20080111T082108Z ORGANIZER;CN=Leigh Blackall:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] UID:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=NEEDS-ACTION;RSVP= TRUE;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:MAILTO:wikieducator@googlegroups.com ATTENDEE;CUTYPE=INDIVIDUAL;ROLE=REQ-PARTICIPANT;PARTSTAT=ACCEPTED;RSVP=TRUE ;CN=Leigh Blackall;X-NUM-GUESTS=0:MAILTO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] CLASS:PRIVATE CREATED:20080111T082106Z DESCRIPTION:Eric said:brlining up with decisions that have been made.b rbrlike a red rag to a bull\, but I better check what you actually mean by that Eric? It sounds like accept what you are given\, is that what you mean?brbrI keep seeing new features added without anyone in this email list requesting them\, while there have been plenty of requests and sugges tions made to this email list and they seem to largely go ignored\, or get lost with obscure largely non progressive responses. I would even say defen sive - which is not a good sign at all!brbrMany of the features Wayne a nd you have introduced are pretty good though\, but it is a concern that th ey are introduced without any evident consultation with the community whi le the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! Yes\, I con sider myself in that community...brbrBrent is the only person who has r eplied to my concerns about the RSS problem. He has replied twice with prac tical suggestions. One was to contact the extension author and see if he ca n fix it. I did\, and no reply from the author. The next response from Bren t was for the administrator to update the RSS extension and see if that fix es the problem. This strikes me as a reasonably simple step (compared to LT and Kaltura efforts)\, but as yet the suggestion has had no response from an administrator\, but a surprise release of Kaltura did get announced... I think action on the RSS issue is over due.brbrI have pushed the RSS up date request to the point of nagging\, but no response or action from the a dministrator leads to second guessing!brbrI too hope this community (or I) do not begin second guessing WE\, as a hell of a lot has been invested in it this end. But I'm getting a strong sense of take what you are given \, and a centralised administration with an agenda that is neither document ed or discussed in this forum.brbrA working RSS is an essential feature in this day and age. At least as important as the primary features of the MediaWiki as it is out of the box. But I'm nagging again. I hate having to nag\, but some response that shows consideration made to the suggestions ma de by Brent would be great. Or perhaps administration powers shared for the purpose of fixing this problem. Or\, some constructive response!brbrSo rry if it seems that I am escalating this\, its just that I am alarmed by y our last message Eric\,brbrRegards\,brLeighbrbrdiv class=gmail_ quoteOn Jan 11\, 2008 2:56 PM\, Erik Moeller lt\;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt\ ; wrote:brblockquote class=gmail_quote style=border-left: 1px solid r gb(204\, 204\, 204)\; margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex\; padding-left: 1ex\;div class=Ih2E3dbrOn 1/10/08\, Leigh Blackall lt\;a href=mailto:leighb [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/agt\; wrote:brgt\; It was clashing with Liquid Threads right? Given the enthusiasm for Kalturabrgt \; and the underenthusiasm for LT\, perhaps we could have Kaltura back on\, andbrgt\; LT off?brbr/divMhh\, part of working together as a team is lining up with decisionsbrthat have been made. I really hope WikEd wo n't develop a culture ofbrconstant second-guessing - I've seen more than enough of that inbrWikipedia. :-)brbrBTW\, some of the issues we've s een with LQT (such as amp\; in titles notbrworking) are general MW/Apa che issues\, not specific to LQT.brfont color=#88--brErik Mölle rbr/fontdivdiv/divdiv class=Wj3C7cbr--~--~-~--~ ~--wbr--~---~--~~brYou received this message because yo u are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group.brTo post to t his group\, send email to a href=mailto:wikieducator@googlegroups.comwi [EMAIL PROTECTED]/abrTo unsubscribe from this group\, send em ail to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]wikieduca tor-unsubscribewbr@googlegroups.com/abrFor more options\, visit this group at a href=http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en; target =_blankhttp://groups.google.com/groupwbr/wikieducator?hl=en/abr-~- -~~~~--wbr~~--~--~---brbr/div/div /blockquote/divbrbr clear=allbr-- br--brLeigh Blackallbr+ 64(0)21736539brskype - leigh_blackallbrSL - Leroy Goalpostbrhttp://le arnonline.wordpress.com\n\nView your event at http://www.google.com/calenda r/event?action=VIEWueid=1690l8thl4jomop8arlirnq8u4. LAST-MODIFIED:20080111T082107Z SEQUENCE:0 STATUS:CONFIRMED SUMMARY:
[WikiEducator] Re: Kaltura Collaborative Video Editing Extension Enabled
Eric said:brlining up with decisions that have been made.brbrlike a red rag to a bull, but I better check what you actually mean by that Eric? It sounds like accept what you are given, is that what you mean?brbrI keep seeing new features added without anyone in this email list requesting them, while there have been plenty of requests and suggestions made to this email list and they seem to largely go ignored, or get lost with obscure largely non progressive responses. I would even say defensive - which is not a good sign at all!brbrMany of the features Wayne and you have introduced are pretty good though, but it is a concern that they are introduced without any evident consultation with the community while the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! Yes, I consider myself in that community...brbrBrent is the only person who has replied to my concerns about the RSS problem. He has replied twice with practical suggestions. One was to contact the extension author and see if he can fix it. I did, and no reply from the author. The next response from Brent was for the administrator to update the RSS extension and see if that fixes the problem. This strikes me as a reasonably simple step (compared to LT and Kaltura efforts), but as yet the suggestion has had no response from an administrator, but a surprise release of Kaltura did get announced... I think action on the RSS issue is over due.brbrI have pushed the RSS update request to the point of nagging, but no response or action from the administrator leads to second guessing!brbrI too hope this community (or I) do not begin second guessing WE, as a hell of a lot has been invested in it this end. But I'm getting a strong sense of take what you are given, and a centralised administration with an agenda that is neither documented or discussed in this forum.brbrA working RSS is an essential feature in this day and age. At least as important as the primary features of the MediaWiki as it is out of the box. But I'm nagging again. I hate having to nag, but some response that shows consideration made to the suggestions made by Brent would be great. Or perhaps administration powers shared for the purpose of fixing this problem. Or, some constructive response!brbrSorry if it seems that I am escalating this, its just that I am alarmed by your last message Eric, On Jan 11, 2008 2:56 PM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/10/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was clashing with Liquid Threads right? Given the enthusiasm for Kaltura and the underenthusiasm for LT, perhaps we could have Kaltura back on, and LT off? Mhh, part of working together as a team is lining up with decisions that have been made. I really hope WikEd won't develop a culture of constant second-guessing - I've seen more than enough of that in Wikipedia. :-) BTW, some of the issues we've seen with LQT (such as in titles not working) are general MW/Apache issues, not specific to LQT. -- Erik Möller -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... On Jan 11, 2008 5:52 PM, Patricia Schlicht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there, I think Option 2 with relevant servers makes the most sense. We would be covered all the way for a while. The sandboxed wiki sounds like a great idea. Room to try. Even though I am not a coder or programmer, I like to keep an eye of what innovations are going on. Thank you all. You have been great. Cheers, Patricia -Original Message- From: wikieducator@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mackiwg Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 7:50 PM To: WikiEducator Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Brent Randy Great to see that there is growing support for option 2 ..;-) Brent, - also thanks for your offer to assist with some of the technical support. (BTW have you talked to Wen lately?) Realistically we need to go with a minimum of a 2 server solution for Phase 2. At the moment we don't have a good enough fail-server solution in place. If server 1 goes down --- we've got nothing in place to ensure a 24/7 service. We do a daily data backup to another server -- so our data is safe should Server 1 burn out. I like the sandboxed wiki idea for experimental work and pushing the envelope. Innovation and a forward looking disposition are core values of the WE commmunity -- and in many respects differentiates our project from other wikis in the field. My vote is to explore 3 servers. (Don't tell my finance director just yet smile.) Wayne -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Kaltura Collaborative Video Editing Extension Enabled
On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like a red rag to a bull, but I better check what you actually mean by that Eric? It sounds like accept what you are given, is that what you mean? Mh-hm. No, but we've had the discussion. In the absence of formal decision-making processes, informal decisions should prevail, rather than constantly being revisited. I would hate to see you slip into the role of the perpetual antagonist, a common destructive archetype in participatory communities, and I'm mildly concerned that your iconoclastic nature lends itself to it. You have a lot more to contribute than that. :-) I'll see what I can do about the RSS issue later today. -- Erik Möller --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Some possible instability tonight
I'll do some debugging on - RSS - Kaltura code - LQT later tonight, probably around 23:00 UTC - this might lead to some temporary brokenness. Let me know if you absolutely need me to postpone it, but it might be a while until I have time to hack on it again. -- Erik Möller --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi Erik, Congrats on your new position. You are doing great job!! Yes, I'd go along with option 2 too, tho as patricia sez, i am not a techie!! Savithri On 11/01/2008, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... OK .. I'll try to set things up so we can start delegating access to the server. Wayne, could you send me an initial list of folks who can be given access, and distinguish between * folks who are extremely technically versatile and can be trusted with super-user (root) access; * folks who should be able to run routine updates, given proper documentation. I'll be in touch separately regarding the contract details for the hosting. If we're lucky we won't run into any disastrous downtime before we've set up the more reliable phase 2 hosting *knock on wood* :-). We do have daily remote backups, but if the current server dies, it would take us at least a few days to get back up -- hence focusing energy first on higher availability, before thinking about things like sandbox wikis, would make sense to me. -- Erik Möller -- Dr. Savithri Singh Principal Acharya Narendra Dev College (University of Delhi) Govindpuri, Kalkaji New Delhi 110 019 Tel: (011) 2629 4542(direct), (011) 2641 2547 Fax: (011) 2629 4540 Res: 2584 8151 2584 97862573 2974 http://andcollege.du.ac.in --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, option 2, and a sandbox wiki (development wiki was suggested at the Think Tank) would help to keep me a little quieter... OK .. I'll try to set things up so we can start delegating access to the server. Wayne, could you send me an initial list of folks who can be given access, and distinguish between * folks who are extremely technically versatile and can be trusted with super-user (root) access; * folks who should be able to run routine updates, given proper documentation. I'll be in touch separately regarding the contract details for the hosting. If we're lucky we won't run into any disastrous downtime before we've set up the more reliable phase 2 hosting *knock on wood* :-). We do have daily remote backups, but if the current server dies, it would take us at least a few days to get back up -- hence focusing energy first on higher availability, before thinking about things like sandbox wikis, would make sense to me. -- Erik Möller --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Declined: [WikiEducator] [Invitation] (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
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[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
Leigh Blackall wrote: Many of the features Wayne and you have introduced are pretty good though, but it is a concern that they are introduced without any evident consultation with the community while the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! For the record -- the technology road map where Liquid Threads was introduced to the community was uploaded on WE on 19 February 2007 -- (see http://www.wikieducator.org/index.php?title=WikiEducator_roadmapoldid=20169). It's great to have a technology that records every edit and is open for anyone to contribute. There were no objections noted on the relevant talk pages. I ran an online workshop using Moodle and the Newbie Tutorials in March 2007 with 78 participants around the world. Newbies were confused by using an external Moodle forum for discussions while the tutorials were on WE. I recieved numerous complaints from this group of WikiEducators. We took the decision to resource and develop LQT. I don't have the exact dates with me -- development commenced in May 2007. There was a window period of at least 3 months for WikiEducators to communicate that they did not want discussion functionality improved. Yes - I take full responsibility for the decision to go ahead with the development of LQT on WE -- which we have released back to the MW community. Thinking about Kaltura ... Leigh -- you have unashamedly been the most vocal advocate in the WE community concerning the need to incorporate 3rd party rich media. I share your enthusiasm for the pedagogical potential of rich media in education. In the same breath I have been conservative in simply going ahead with the incorporation of extensions due to concerns associated with proprietary software and the risks of excluding the developing world. Kaltura seemed like a good compromise -- while extensively based on Flash technology -- the code is being released as open source. I'm very uncomfortable with this reliance on Flash and proprietary media formats because this will make it very difficult to collaborate with other free content projects. Leigh you are right -- there was not extensive discussion with the community whether we should or shouldn't test the extension. I made a value judgment that it would be in the interests of the community to test the technology before taking decisions on whether to incorporate this or not. However -- we did not in any way imply that this was a community decision -- in Erik's notification he wrote Per discussion with Wayne I've turned on the Kaltura extension and on the instructions page there was a very clear statement that this was merely a test. Again - I take full responsibility for this decision. WE is a community project funded by an international development agency. (Note -- we are not a technology company smile.) We believe firmly in the merits of the WE project in widening access to education by developing a free curriculum. However, we are taking one step at a time. Relatively speaking we are still a very small community by comparison to the WMF projects -- consequently the costs of hosting more than one server have not been warranted. The downside is that we do run a risk of downtime. As the sole funder of WE -- COL has done it's best to ensure and promote a participatory community governance model. Early in 2007 I nominated an international advisory board for the project with a clear statement that when we reach 2500 users we will democratically elect a WE council for the project. You will be aware of these discussions. As COL funds this project -- I have a fiduciary responsibility to act and yes -- take decisions in what I believe to be in the best interests of the initiative. I'm sure that I've made mistakes and don't get things right all of the time. But hey -- there are elections coming up and the community can vote whoever they want onto the Council to lead the project. A successful project is one which can sustain itself -- if after a few years they project cannot run on its own -- it's been a failure. So our hosting discussions are an excellent test for the robustness and commitment of the community to our collective project. I'm particularly pleased that the contributions to the list so far are opting for a strong community driven model as opposed to a commercial hosting solution -- that's a good sign for ongoing success. Leigh wrote: I too hope this community (or I) do not begin second guessing WE, as a hell of a lot has been invested in it this end. I hope that you will not need to second guess WE -- OtagoPoly are establishing a leadership position within NZ in the free knowledge movement. That said, I do not want you to feel that your work is at risk. Therefore, I will arrange for a database dump of all WE content so that OtagoPoly can access a copy of all your work to date should you wish to migrate to another hosting solution. Paradoxically -- last night Google groups were having major issues. So if a big corporate
[WikiEducator] PHASE 2 WE Hosting proposal
Hi everyone - WikiEducator is planning to move to a hosting model based on a model of more active community participation in the management and maintenance of our server(s). We will identify trusted members from our community with the necessary technical skills to administer the server(s) and assist with maintenance and upgrades. We envisage two categories of technical support: 1) Technically versatile and highly skilled server administrator(s) who can be trusted with super-user root access. 2) A team of technical support individuals who can assist with maintenance and installation of extensions and upgrades given appropriate documentation. COL will continue to provide funding for the leasing of the servers and from time to time consultancies for highly specialised work. Our first priority is to establish a fail-over solution that will ensure 24/7 uptime in the event that the main server experiences problems. If there are any members of the community who would like forward their names, please send an email with your CV to wmackintosh (at) COL (dot) org. I will compile the list for Erik to assign the relevant access authorities. Cheers Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Would be great if the front page had a small announcement about this, and I can send it around our staff. Just one thing though, we start classes here mid to late Feb.. hopefully this project won't be disruptive to the last minute preps or initial stages of class. This would be a big bummer... On Jan 12, 2008 3:03 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Some possible instability tonight
Many thanks Eric.. I hope the RSS one is simple for you. On Jan 12, 2008 12:25 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll do some debugging on - RSS - Kaltura code - LQT later tonight, probably around 23:00 UTC - this might lead to some temporary brokenness. Let me know if you absolutely need me to postpone it, but it might be a while until I have time to hack on it again. -- Erik Möller -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Kaltura Collaborative Video Editing Extension Enabled
Thanks again Eric, Don't be concerned. I think it is a good check on authority actually, it can't be all love and mung beans. Let us know if there is anything we can do to help test the RSS fix. Regards Leigh On Jan 11, 2008 9:51 PM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/11/08, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: like a red rag to a bull, but I better check what you actually mean by that Eric? It sounds like accept what you are given, is that what you mean? Mh-hm. No, but we've had the discussion. In the absence of formal decision-making processes, informal decisions should prevail, rather than constantly being revisited. I would hate to see you slip into the role of the perpetual antagonist, a common destructive archetype in participatory communities, and I'm mildly concerned that your iconoclastic nature lends itself to it. You have a lot more to contribute than that. :-) I'll see what I can do about the RSS issue later today. -- Erik Möller -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
Thanks Wayne, and like I said, good decisions, but I am struggling to understand why the request to fix the RSS extension (simply update it to see if it will fix it) has not been done. The video extension looks great! I am excited by it, just as much as the PDF and ODF exports... but meanwhile the RSS is broke and it is a fundamental technology. This is what is frustrating me. My second guessing has less to do with the decisions and more to do with the support. On Jan 12, 2008 4:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh Blackall wrote: Many of the features Wayne and you have introduced are pretty good though, but it is a concern that they are introduced without any evident consultation with the community while the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! For the record -- the technology road map where Liquid Threads was introduced to the community was uploaded on WE on 19 February 2007 -- (see http://www.wikieducator.org/index.php?title=WikiEducator_roadmapoldid=20169 ). It's great to have a technology that records every edit and is open for anyone to contribute. There were no objections noted on the relevant talk pages. I ran an online workshop using Moodle and the Newbie Tutorials in March 2007 with 78 participants around the world. Newbies were confused by using an external Moodle forum for discussions while the tutorials were on WE. I recieved numerous complaints from this group of WikiEducators. We took the decision to resource and develop LQT. I don't have the exact dates with me -- development commenced in May 2007. There was a window period of at least 3 months for WikiEducators to communicate that they did not want discussion functionality improved. Yes - I take full responsibility for the decision to go ahead with the development of LQT on WE -- which we have released back to the MW community. Thinking about Kaltura ... Leigh -- you have unashamedly been the most vocal advocate in the WE community concerning the need to incorporate 3rd party rich media. I share your enthusiasm for the pedagogical potential of rich media in education. In the same breath I have been conservative in simply going ahead with the incorporation of extensions due to concerns associated with proprietary software and the risks of excluding the developing world. Kaltura seemed like a good compromise -- while extensively based on Flash technology -- the code is being released as open source. I'm very uncomfortable with this reliance on Flash and proprietary media formats because this will make it very difficult to collaborate with other free content projects. Leigh you are right -- there was not extensive discussion with the community whether we should or shouldn't test the extension. I made a value judgment that it would be in the interests of the community to test the technology before taking decisions on whether to incorporate this or not. However -- we did not in any way imply that this was a community decision -- in Erik's notification he wrote Per discussion with Wayne I've turned on the Kaltura extension and on the instructions page there was a very clear statement that this was merely a test. Again - I take full responsibility for this decision. WE is a community project funded by an international development agency. (Note -- we are not a technology company smile.) We believe firmly in the merits of the WE project in widening access to education by developing a free curriculum. However, we are taking one step at a time. Relatively speaking we are still a very small community by comparison to the WMF projects -- consequently the costs of hosting more than one server have not been warranted. The downside is that we do run a risk of downtime. As the sole funder of WE -- COL has done it's best to ensure and promote a participatory community governance model. Early in 2007 I nominated an international advisory board for the project with a clear statement that when we reach 2500 users we will democratically elect a WE council for the project. You will be aware of these discussions. As COL funds this project -- I have a fiduciary responsibility to act and yes -- take decisions in what I believe to be in the best interests of the initiative. I'm sure that I've made mistakes and don't get things right all of the time. But hey -- there are elections coming up and the community can vote whoever they want onto the Council to lead the project. A successful project is one which can sustain itself -- if after a few years they project cannot run on its own -- it's been a failure. So our hosting discussions are an excellent test for the robustness and commitment of the community to our collective project. I'm particularly pleased that the contributions to the list so far are opting for a strong community driven model as opposed to a commercial hosting solution -- that's a good sign for ongoing success. Leigh wrote: I
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Our Tourism course will be the first to run with Wikied, but we 'deliver' the course through blogs, so we will try and get the first month's content from the wiki onto the blogs in time, so if there is down time, the students won't know about it... Very good. Good luck. Looking forward to hearing who the team ends up being. I nominate our very own Brent Simpson to in the mix of course :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:24 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea about a front page announcement. COL and the community will be doing everything we can to ensure that there are no disruptions to the service. Under the circumstances -- we cannot provide a 100% guarantee for uptime. There is a small risk (albeit a small one) that our server can go down. If for example, the CPU chip burns out -- it will take us a few days to get back up and running. I'll check with Erik if its feasible to make a regular data dump of the database over and above our daily backup -- and figure out how best to make this available for folk to download in the unfortunate event of hardware failure. You could then have an alternative strategy in place in the event that something goes wrong on this end. I agree -- it would be a bummer if the server burns out. Lets figure out the best way to deal with your needs. Cheers Wayne On Jan 11, 11:18 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would be great if the front page had a small announcement about this, and I can send it around our staff. Just one thing though, we start classes here mid to late Feb.. hopefully this project won't be disruptive to the last minute preps or initial stages of class. This would be a big bummer... On Jan 12, 2008 3:03 AM, Randy Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, This may be a stupid question, but where does the remote backup occur - is it off-site from where the server is located? - Randy Randy Fisher - aka WikiRandy for WikiEducator iCentro Networks Vancouver, BC +1 604.684.2275 www.icentronetworks.com www.hirerandy.com Skype / Gmail / Yahoo: wikirandy - Original Message From: mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WikiEducator wikieducator@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 5:48:52 AM Subject: [WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path Hi Erik, Sure thing. I will compile a list of the folk in the super user and routine maintenance categories. We'll hold thumbs that our current server doesn't burn out and prioritise our phase 2 hosting solution. Cheers Wayne -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalposthttp://learnonline.wordpress.com -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
Wayne: So what comes first -- fancy expensive technology and no project?. Or a meaningful project which demands better technology and community support later down the track? Yes, I agree. And RSS is fundamental technology to have these days, hardly fancy, free, and hopefully simple - or should be. I should have pointed out the problem with the RSS feature sooner. It has been broke for some time. Back when I built that FaceBook application is when I saw that it was broken. RSS affords so much to the project, like the development of FB and many other apps, as well as enabling subscription to things like the news page - which then compliments more discussion about Wikied in the EduBlogosphere - such as the celebrated notice from Stephen Downes recently, who is one of a great many that rely on RSS technologies, and also argues that such technology is fundamental to any education project. I appreciate the makeup of Wikied, and the extensive volunteerism that helps it run. Thanks for the responses now, and I hope we can have a functional RSS extension soon. Keep up the good work, we can always do better. Regards Leigh On Jan 12, 2008 10:10 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh -- At the time you needed the support to fix the RSS extension -- we did not have the capacity available to get the changes and installation done on the server. We need to make tough calls and decisions on how we support a free hosted service and bear the brunt of the folk who complain smile. Like any organization we measure risks of downtime, demand for the service, the kind of service we are trying to deliver bandwidth etc. We try to do the best we can within our existing constraints. Sometimes we get this right and other times we end up frustrating users who have an urgent need - for example fixing the RSS feed. WE has been running pretty smoothly until now without any major hiccups -- with increased usage and demands, things get more complicated and cost more money. So now the time is right to move to the next Phase of our hosting of the project. That said - COL's budget is also finite -- and we need to think a little down the track, for example what if WE has 1 million users and needs a sizable server farm. COL doesn't have the funding for this level of demand -- so we need to work towards a community model where we all do what we can for a bigger vision. Its upside down thinking - but that's the open source way. I'm personally very happy with the outcome and in the long run I'm confident that we will end up with a better project. It's a chicken and egg problem -- we cannot warrant the expenditure of a $250 000 hosting service when for example it is possible to do this for under $5000 with very efficient software and very smart people who donate of their time because they believe in what we're doing. We are a community project and we rely heavily on volunteerism to achieve our aims. That said -- if we didn't start WikiEducator on a shoe-string budget -- we would never have achieved what we have to date. So what comes first -- fancy expensive technology and no project?. Or a meaningful project which demands better technology and community support later down the track? When I started WE, I opted for the latter because there was nobody else to help me take the decision. The server was running before we had any community smile. Thank goodness for free software! Cheers Wayne On Jan 11, 11:12 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wayne, and like I said, good decisions, but I am struggling to understand why the request to fix the RSS extension (simply update it to see if it will fix it) has not been done. The video extension looks great! I am excited by it, just as much as the PDF and ODF exports... but meanwhile the RSS is broke and it is a fundamental technology. This is what is frustrating me. My second guessing has less to do with the decisions and more to do with the support. On Jan 12, 2008 4:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh Blackall wrote: Many of the features Wayne and you have introduced are pretty good though, but it is a concern that they are introduced without any evident consultation with the community while the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! For the record -- the technology road map where Liquid Threads was introduced to the community was uploaded on WE on 19 February 2007 -- (see http://www.wikieducator.org/index.php?title=WikiEducator_roadmapoldi. .. ). It's great to have a technology that records every edit and is open for anyone to contribute. There were no objections noted on the relevant talk pages. I ran an online workshop using Moodle and the Newbie Tutorials in March 2007 with 78 participants around the world. Newbies were confused by using an external Moodle forum for discussions while the tutorials were
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
Well, Brent is the one that has got me up and running with Ubuntu... its great having him close by in the chat box. A very responsive guy that seems to know a little about a great many things. He was second on the user list, and nearly always first with practical responses to problems posted to the email list. I bet he's blushing right now :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
Leigh -- At the time you needed the support to fix the RSS extension -- we did not have the capacity available to get the changes and installation done on the server. We need to make tough calls and decisions on how we support a free hosted service and bear the brunt of the folk who complain smile. Like any organization we measure risks of downtime, demand for the service, the kind of service we are trying to deliver bandwidth etc. We try to do the best we can within our existing constraints. Sometimes we get this right and other times we end up frustrating users who have an urgent need - for example fixing the RSS feed. WE has been running pretty smoothly until now without any major hiccups -- with increased usage and demands, things get more complicated and cost more money. So now the time is right to move to the next Phase of our hosting of the project. That said - COL's budget is also finite -- and we need to think a little down the track, for example what if WE has 1 million users and needs a sizable server farm. COL doesn't have the funding for this level of demand -- so we need to work towards a community model where we all do what we can for a bigger vision. Its upside down thinking - but that's the open source way. I'm personally very happy with the outcome and in the long run I'm confident that we will end up with a better project. It's a chicken and egg problem -- we cannot warrant the expenditure of a $250 000 hosting service when for example it is possible to do this for under $5000 with very efficient software and very smart people who donate of their time because they believe in what we're doing. We are a community project and we rely heavily on volunteerism to achieve our aims. That said -- if we didn't start WikiEducator on a shoe-string budget -- we would never have achieved what we have to date. So what comes first -- fancy expensive technology and no project?. Or a meaningful project which demands better technology and community support later down the track? When I started WE, I opted for the latter because there was nobody else to help me take the decision. The server was running before we had any community smile. Thank goodness for free software! Cheers Wayne On Jan 11, 11:12 am, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Wayne, and like I said, good decisions, but I am struggling to understand why the request to fix the RSS extension (simply update it to see if it will fix it) has not been done. The video extension looks great! I am excited by it, just as much as the PDF and ODF exports... but meanwhile the RSS is broke and it is a fundamental technology. This is what is frustrating me. My second guessing has less to do with the decisions and more to do with the support. On Jan 12, 2008 4:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Leigh Blackall wrote: Many of the features Wayne and you have introduced are pretty good though, but it is a concern that they are introduced without any evident consultation with the community while the community requests seem to go by without even a trial! For the record -- the technology road map where Liquid Threads was introduced to the community was uploaded on WE on 19 February 2007 -- (see http://www.wikieducator.org/index.php?title=WikiEducator_roadmapoldi... ). It's great to have a technology that records every edit and is open for anyone to contribute. There were no objections noted on the relevant talk pages. I ran an online workshop using Moodle and the Newbie Tutorials in March 2007 with 78 participants around the world. Newbies were confused by using an external Moodle forum for discussions while the tutorials were on WE. I recieved numerous complaints from this group of WikiEducators. We took the decision to resource and develop LQT. I don't have the exact dates with me -- development commenced in May 2007. There was a window period of at least 3 months for WikiEducators to communicate that they did not want discussion functionality improved. Yes - I take full responsibility for the decision to go ahead with the development of LQT on WE -- which we have released back to the MW community. Thinking about Kaltura ... Leigh -- you have unashamedly been the most vocal advocate in the WE community concerning the need to incorporate 3rd party rich media. I share your enthusiasm for the pedagogical potential of rich media in education. In the same breath I have been conservative in simply going ahead with the incorporation of extensions due to concerns associated with proprietary software and the risks of excluding the developing world. Kaltura seemed like a good compromise -- while extensively based on Flash technology -- the code is being released as open source. I'm very uncomfortable with this reliance on Flash and proprietary media formats because this will make it very difficult to collaborate with other free content projects.
[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
On Jan 11, 1:44 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. And RSS is fundamental technology to have these days, hardly fancy, free, and hopefully simple - or should be. There is no debating the utility and significance of RSS -- on that I think we all agree. The fancy bits refer to the warm blooded individuals who make the magic happen. Have a good weekend -- I can't wait for mine to start. I think I should go snow boarding tonight. Cheers Wayne --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: (No Subject) @ Fri Jan 11 21:30 - 22:30 ()
Oh, you lucky bugga! How great it would be to live in a city with such close access to snow... Here it looks like its going to go to 30 degrees. In between writing email I've been out pouring concrete on our stepshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/leighblackall/tags/100somerville/. The joys of working from home actually leads to quite a balanced life style I reckon.. for me anyway... might make a Wikied page on how to box and pour concrete.. or is the Flickr photo stream enough with all the comments?.. this pics were loaded up as we did it too, straight from the camera phone.. and there's an RSS feed for the photo stream :) On Jan 12, 2008 11:01 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 11, 1:44 pm, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I agree. And RSS is fundamental technology to have these days, hardly fancy, free, and hopefully simple - or should be. There is no debating the utility and significance of RSS -- on that I think we all agree. The fancy bits refer to the warm blooded individuals who make the magic happen. Have a good weekend -- I can't wait for mine to start. I think I should go snow boarding tonight. Cheers Wayne -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: Some possible instability tonight
Erik .. i'm sure you saw this in my previous posts, but there is an update to the RSS extension from 0.6.1 to 0.6.3 ... and Jimbojw (the original author) does have a user page on WikiEd. brent. On Jan 12, 2008 8:14 AM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks Eric.. I hope the RSS one is simple for you. On Jan 12, 2008 12:25 AM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll do some debugging on - RSS - Kaltura code - LQT later tonight, probably around 23:00 UTC - this might lead to some temporary brokenness. Let me know if you absolutely need me to postpone it, but it might be a while until I have time to hack on it again. -- Erik Möller -- -- Leigh Blackall +64(0)21736539 skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz http://greymatter.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[WikiEducator] Re: An alternative hosting path
aw gee... thanks :-) brent. On Jan 12, 2008 10:50 AM, Leigh Blackall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Brent is the one that has got me up and running with Ubuntu... its great having him close by in the chat box. A very responsive guy that seems to know a little about a great many things. He was second on the user list, and nearly always first with practical responses to problems posted to the email list. I bet he's blushing right now :) On Jan 12, 2008 10:45 AM, mackiwg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aaah - But does Brent use open source software? That's a minimum requirement for any nominations smile. I see Brent has already offered to help and he'll definitely be on the list. If I remember correctly Brent was the 2nd registered account on WE -- he has been with us since the very beginnings on a desktop machine down in Auckland before we moved to a hosted solution. Wayne skype - leigh_blackall SL - Leroy Goalpost http://learnonline.wordpress.com -- http://digitalsynapse.co.nz http://greymatter.co.nz --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups WikiEducator group. To post to this group, send email to wikieducator@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/wikieducator?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
