Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Earth_(2nd_nomination)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Earth_%282nd_nomination%29 I can't find a single reference on it which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread geni
2009/4/1 Elias Friedman elipo...@gmail.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Earth_(2nd_nomination) And before anyone gets too outraged, do make note of today's date. One of these days people will learn to be original. -- geni

[WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Elias Friedman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Earth_(2nd_nomination) And before anyone gets too outraged, do make note of today's date. Elias Friedman A.S., EMT-P ⚕ אליהו מתתיהו בן צבי elipo...@gmail.com http://elipongo.blogspot.com/ ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Microsoft kills Encarta

2009-04-01 Thread Charles Matthews
David Goodman wrote: I would very much liketo take Wps redirect and disam system and rationalize it. the first step would be to change the policy so the full form of the name, including middle names, are always used when available. The second is to add geographic designators for all local

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-04-01 Thread Andrew Turvey
No, my argument is not spurious - it's to the point. We operate in a community, and there are plenty of things I would do differently too if I had my way with everything. There's zero point in pursuing proposals that are strongly opposed by a significant section of the community. Majority

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-04-01 Thread doc
No, you argued that I should not oppose the current measure because it was all that could pass. My response is, better than nothing passes. Now you are arguing something else. Andrew Turvey wrote: No, my argument is not spurious - it's to the point. We operate in a community, and there are

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revs poll take 2

2009-04-01 Thread doc
Sorry, I meant better that nothing passes doc wrote: No, you argued that I should not oppose the current measure because it was all that could pass. My response is, better than nothing passes. Now you are arguing something else. Andrew Turvey wrote: No, my argument is not spurious -

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Ken Arromdee
Generally, I'm not a fan of this sort of joke. They give the impression of we get to break the rules when we want to, as long as it's funny. Meanwhile, everyone else has to follow them. (And WP:COI really does seem to say it's a conflict of interest for an article about the Earth to be made by

[WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread doc
Is it perhaps time, that we started to demand that basic sourcing was a pre-requisite of creating an article on any living person? This proposal aims (without causing any deletion spree of backlogs) to instigate the idea that basic sourcing is necessary for any BLP to remain on wikipedia.

Re: [WikiEN-l] English Wikipedia brief outage today

2009-04-01 Thread Ray Saintonge
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Kill the messenger! Does anyone have a mob of peasants with torches standing around handy? Perhaps someone will write an article about the legendary Wikipedia riots of April 1, 2009. Ec -Original Message- From: Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org Sent: Mon,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread Marc Riddell
on 4/1/09 11:16 AM, doc at doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com wrote: Is it perhaps time, that we started to demand that basic sourcing was a pre-requisite of creating an article on any living person? Absolutely! The basis for any encyclopedia article should be: This is what I learned about the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/1 doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion#Concrete_proposal +1 - d. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread James Farrar
2009/4/1 Oskar Sigvardsson oskarsigvards...@gmail.com: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Generally, I'm not a fan of this sort of joke.  They give the impression of we get to break the rules when we want to, as long as it's funny. Meanwhile, everyone else

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Brian
So far each april fools thread I've seen has had at least one buzzkiller in it. On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:34 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: Generally, I'm not a fan of this sort of joke. They give the impression of we get to break the rules when we want to, as long as it's funny.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 4/1/2009 9:45:06 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, arrom...@rahul.net writes: (And WP:COI really does seem to say it's a conflict of interest for an article about the Earth to be made by Earthlings. If we really need the article to be made by people from other planets, I

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Casey Brown
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: (And WP:COI really does seem to say it's a conflict of interest for an article about the Earth to be made by Earthlings.  It's easy to invoke IAR and say that that's not what it's supposed to mean, but it's not all that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread David Goodman
I've seen no evidence that the unsourced BLPs are more prone to subtle vandalism at the time of creation than the sourced ones. If it's unsubtle vandalism, speedy already takes care of it just fine. If it happens later, this proposal doesn't do any good towards solving the problem. Maybe there

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Sam Korn
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: So far each april fools thread I've seen has had at least one buzzkiller in it. Personally, I've never understood why deliberately misleading people is supposed to be funny. I don't particularly enjoy having my time wasted

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread WJhonson
I agree with the sentiment that flagged revisions would take care of this additional issue as well. Flagged revisions also allows people, like me, who are used to working entirely online, to create drafts, then wander away for a while, then come back and add more details, until you have a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Dan Dascalescu
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 13:08, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Ken Arromdee arrom...@rahul.net wrote: (And WP:COI really does seem to say it's a conflict of interest for an article about the Earth to be made by Earthlings.  It's easy to invoke IAR and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Chris Down
Don't get me wrong, I like April Fools, but there is so much unfunny stuff around... Man, whoever takes the cleanup job at the end of today has my condolences. - Chris On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Sam Korn smo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 7:24 PM, Brian

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread doc
Flagged revisions is not going to solve much more than obvious vandalism. If we flag a good proportion of article, then we will need lots of reviewers, and the level will be set at sysop of lower - the job will be tedious and done by the lazy with an eye on edit count. The problem is that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread KillerChihuahua
George Herbert wrote: We have standards, people. {citeneeded} ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Earth Deletion Discussion

2009-04-01 Thread Dan Dascalescu
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 14:06, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, that's a sad reality. :-(  Wikipedians respond too crazily to COIs... what we usually suggest is that people don't tell others that they have first-hand knowledge. :-) Here is dmoz.org's policy on insider editors:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread David Goodman
doc, I think you underestimate the number of good editors who do not want to be admins but would gladly take this on. Considering what an admin does, I can understand not wanting the distinction, but having a real role in making sure we have an acceptable content is another thing entirely. But

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread wjhonson
I'm in agreement with David here. I do not want to be a policeman on behaviour, but I would certainly be interested in, and already do, patrol content changes and pass or remove spurious details. I think we all do that a bit. Being a policeman is quite a different role. So a flagged rev

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/4/1 doc doc.wikipe...@ntlworld.com: Is it perhaps time, that we started to demand that basic sourcing was a pre-requisite of creating an article on any living person? Without commenting on this specific proposal, I thought it interesting that the de.wikipedia.org community implemented a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Saying no to new unreferenced BLPs

2009-04-01 Thread Stephen Bain
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: - As an interesting side note, the mandatory summary script doesn't seem to trigger on section edits, and those are still very frequently unexplained. Perhaps it should check whether there is content outside of /* section