articles,
the standard advice is (or should be) to calm down, walk away, and if
you want to edit, do so in another area.
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. It is too easy to label people
trolls when they might merely be difficult.
I agree with Thomas (Dalton)'s points as well.
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, though.
Is there anything like this page on the English Wikipedia?
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already been done, is a bit annoying
sometimes. Even if that search fails, you are still not quite sure
whether you missed something or not.
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by the person who nominated the
article.
Sometimes articles genuinely need editing down and stuff removed, and
what is left should be PRODed, but at other times it can be a way to
game the system and fool an admin into thinking that an article should
be speedied or PRODed.
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On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
Yes. But that doesn't mean ignoring other ways to recognise work done.
It's not a black-and-white copyright-only issue. There are other laws
and other ethical and moral concerns beside US copyright laws
of. It had pictures like that
one of a funny-shaped car.
Some of the old NFCC discussions might help as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Non-free_content/Archive_41#Unknown_copyright_holder.3F
If I find that category I was thinking of, I'll post it here.
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discussions, so that people can be pointed to previous
discussions and sometimes even a FAQ of answers to perennial
questions.
That way the debates can move forward, rather then being repeated endlessly.
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other people's papers and see how many people are
reading yours, which you can't do in Nature and Science
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, and a tendency to delete if any of those
details are missing, can make it difficult sometime.
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Sarah Ewart sarahew...@gmail.com wrote:
Steve, that image is now PD in Australia. In Australia, the copyright of
photographs taken prior to 1 January 1955 has expired
) and not scaring off new editors who may develop into good
editors, and who may be quite happy for others to take their edits and
improve them (but don't want them just thrown away).
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:02 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote:
I wouldn't exactly call that post nice
Oh, please post this somewhere where it will be more widely read! What
you said makes the relevant points so well and so clearly. But maybe
frame it as increasing participation in Wikipedia, rather than
changing the unfriendly culture?
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On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 4:47 PM, David Goodman
potential of our
articles? Does the sum of all *information* limitation represent an
obstacle to explanationism?
Explantionism?
I really hope that word doesn't catch on... :-)
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Fantastic article, in fact!
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restored it? Or have you created something new?
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properly reviewed (and
that in turn is dwarfed by the very large number of correct actions).
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, or to restore it? In the case of
digital photos, you can do digital restoration, while the original has
conservation techniques applied to it, as Durova or someone has
mentioned before.
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote:
2009/9/17 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com
snip
And in any cases, some aspects of restoration *are* creative (mainly
the ones that involve filling in missing material), but those can be
controversial.
Matter
need to be considered. But not all.
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Michel Vuijlsteke wikipe...@zog.org wrote:
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snip
Thanks for those examples. An excellent restoration. I'd love to
discuss the missing hand in more detail some time, as that is a good
example of something I think
(the first
one being only a proposal so far).
Brand identity is the word I'm looking for, I think.
And confusion over brand identity.
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snip
That's 980 Britannica-sized volumes. Or about 15 sets of Britannica.
That's smaller than I thought. We obviously have a lot of very small articles.
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only of certain groups of editors).
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of proof of being a hoax is not the same as
presence of proof that it is a hoax, and if you only have the former,
you need the time for people to find sources that may exist.
Search for Uncle G and swiss cheese if you want more on this.
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they are speedied.
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That discussion has all the Swiss cheese stuff as well.
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with its hundreds of
thousands of articles, many of which are stubs or starts). As soon as
you have all articles rated, you then need to find a way to find out
which ones need re-rating, and to avoid duplication of effort. How do
you do that efficiently?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heutagogy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Step_Up_to_the_Plate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adnan_Oktar_bibliography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdomality.
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snip
I have a list of 12 articles that are either unassessed or need
re-assessing, if anyone is interested in using that as the basis of a
discussion about ratings
(activity)]]?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_(activity)
Hey, nice template!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Close_relationships
And it is at the side of the article not hidden at the bottom. Thank goodness!
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. Plus not simply searching Wikipedia to
see how often something is mentioned in other pages but not yet
linked.
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about CSDs. Do you need to
ask the deleting administrator about those first?
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;-p Do take heart that anyone
who's read large chunks of Special:Newpages will fully concur on the
absolute necessity of knifing lots and lots of babies.
Baby *pages*, I should point out to any horrified readers... :-)
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the article and redirecting
it to the New York Times. And caste it as speedy delete for non-notable
subject.
Well, posting a plan like that to a publicly archived mailing list is
a good start at not attracting attention.
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have read have often been in userspace (and
projectspace) essays. And the worst, as well, but then some of the
worst things I have read have been on policy and guidelines pages as
well.
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On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 4:55 AM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote:
i agree with you very much
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Charles
Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm
Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in
progress.
With Google books, any student anywhere in the US
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8237271.stm
Interesting story there. Hadn't realised there was even a lawsuit in progress.
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That's a very good idea.
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 11:36 AM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
I think there's a terminology issue.
We cannot refer to this as a trust system, however Wikitrust brands it.
We just can't. It misleads too many, and implies too much.
Call it a text tracing
would be just as capable of misinterpreting it.
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sales. We
(Brits) have those sometimes, but more often we take stuff to a local
charity shop, or a school's jumble sale, or stick stuff in the boot
(luggage compartment) of a car, drive with others to an empty field,
and have what called a car boot sale! :-)
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://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Americanism
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/American_English
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/British_English
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Scottish_English
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Commonwealth_English
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Dialects
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levels?
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:10 AM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote:
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 9:08 PM, Carcharoth
carcharot...@googlemail.comwrote:
snip
Is it not more likely that most long-term editors who have been active
for years have had most of their text mercilessly edited
. Is Jimbo aware of this?
Don't you mean is the Wikimedia Foundation aware of this?
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PS. I pointed out in an earlier thread that this mis-reporting would
lead to people thinking new editors are being sought especially for
this. It's point 4 in my e-mail of 26 August in the thread titled
do want this, but not with the wrong impressions]
I can see how something like that could have happened.
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regulars need to encounter the same delays as
everyone else. It will open their eyes to what it is like editing
logged out or without an account (more reversion of edits).
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On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
2009/8/27 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
If the regulars editing have some auto-flagging to approve their own
edits, surely they risk approving someone else's changes that were
made in between the time
.
Both recruiting and *keeping* new contributors (i.e. welcoming them
and helping them learn how to edit Wikipedia).
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once you have the flagged 'protection' in place, reviewers will be
able to prevent removal of the category. But that is something to
watch for.
Filter 117, I think, from several months ago.
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That sounds strange. From the discussion I read, these templates had
been around a while and spreading. Were they actually recreations that
no-one noticed? Probably best to go to the on-wiki discussions at this
point.
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:44 AM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Living_people
400,653 BLP articles (as of 26/08/2009)
2) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics
3,012,053 content articles (as of 26/08/2009)
Hence the BLP percentage is 13.3%.
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that and how
real death reports get handled (I think the news broke a few hours
later).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy
Currently has a big pp-semi-vandalism template on it, as well as the
recent deaths one.
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for people to add a BLP tag. Whether people
remove such tags after things have settled down again, I don't know.
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On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Andrew
Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote:
Thanks for the figure - not bad estimate, considering it was off the top of
my head :)
I
comprehension skills).
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experts sought), and
when their credentials are confirmed, they will be installed as an
expert editor.
They might, of course, be shocked to find that they only have to click
edit this page.
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PS. Yes, I know, writing ten times the amount of text to rebut a tiny
little filler in a free
! :-)
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to please not be BITE-y? No, seriously. We don't want a large
influx of editors arriving to help after reading about things in the
news, only to run into someone unfriendly or rules-bound.
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year plus 25 cents per image.
That's cheap. You can go higher than that. Do more market research.
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will be talking about it at
Wikimania maybe? And mention Wikimania, where I believe it will be
discussed.
Are you actually going to be in the studio or will it be via a sat
link? And is it just you or others as well? How long are you going to
get? And what colour is your tie! :-)
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!
Best of luck to you David, I know you'll do a fantastic job.
I wonder if Jeremy Paxman or his researchers read this list? :-)
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them on some points, but didn't get much of a chance.
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relationships that throws up.
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, and you won't get input from a single page, you'll get continuous input
from a million sources simultaneously in twitt-bits.
look of abject horror
I wouldn't be so horrified if that didn't sound so plausible.
Is it too late to try the 'Culture' route? (Iain M. Banks)
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/8/21 Tony Sidaway tonysida...@gmail.com:
On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Does anyone else get annoyed by certain
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/22/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Tony
But you've used a two-item disambiguation *hatnote*, whereas what
others (including me) would do is create a three-item
, otherwise I may just have to link Vienne from
the templates using some hacked-together redirect, wait for what
links here to update, and then sort out what is left.
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someone there already had my name. I haven't got round to
creating an account there. Could someone add an interwiki link from
there to the page I just created? Thanks.
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I wonder if all those are correct or not?
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:40 AM, Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote:
On 8/19/09, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks?
I don't see the problem here. Be bold and remove crap, whether
pointless hatnotes or anything else
Lists are something different from articles.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_lists
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Jay
Litwynbrewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote:
List-class articles are lowest on the scale of quality.
Going up in rank, it is list, stub
How does this differ from the talk page assessments? If this is meant
only for readers-who-don't-edit, then you will have to tell editors
that, as there will be some editors that try and skew the feedback for
a particular article.
Carcharoth
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 3:32 PM, Erik Moellere
OK. I'll break it down:
1) Do you accept that trivial disambiguations can be unencyclopedic?
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:59 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
I have no idea what you just ask. That's a lot of jargon for one
question.
-Original Message-
From: Carcharoth
?
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 10:43 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
Here is what I think you mean. In a situation where there are only two
items that might be confused with each other, should we have a page for
those? Or should we, at the top of each item, merely point at the other
item
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:34 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/8/20 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
That is why I am saying that it is best to have a neutral form for hatnotes:
For other things with this name, see (disambiguation).
Or whatever the standard wording
about this being the initial issue, Carcharoth.
Yes, that's what I'm driving at. I'm uncertain as to whether Will
realises this is what I'm getting at, and doesn't think it is an
issue, or missed the point entirely. My issue has never been with the
disambiguation pages (which are fine
, in different ways.
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On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 8:05 PM, quidditypandiculat...@gmail.com wrote:
We do already have on this guideline wording on this, for anyone wondering:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Disambiguation_pages
If there are three or more topics
to the list should be
moderated (is a day's delay acceptable? A week's delay? What sort of
things should be moderated?).
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On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote:
Agreed. Jay, the last time I went through the moderation queue, there
were 15 messages from you
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:08 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
snip
Goodness. Yes. That is a large number of volumes.
Why not scan them and store them at wikisource? Or are these modern
encyclopedias rather than old ones?
1,000 pages x 200 volumes = 200,000
it looks like it will be slow progress there.
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That is an acceptable trade-off to having a spongebob squarepants
character name jarring people's reading experience by being placed at
the top of an unrelated article.
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2009/8/19 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankton
When I go to look something up on plankton (a core encyclopedic
article if ever
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2009/8/19 Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com:
Does anyone else get annoyed by certain hatlinks?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plankton
When I
TO.
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, that was a long simple question...
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This is how I do it. If in Plankton we have only one other thing named
planton, then we shouldn't have a disamg page just for two items. That seems
overkill. So in that case SB_Plankton makes sense
-million-articles.html
I agree with the first comment:
This piece contains 12 sentences, of which at least 5 are false or
misleading [...] Wikipedia was launched by Jimmy Wales and Larry
Sanger, not by Ward Cunningham and Richard Stallman.
And so on.
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://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexicon_Technicum
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. Not in
good condition. If I had a full set (seems to be about 10 volumes) and
they were in good condition, they would be worth a few hundred pounds.
Published in around 1870.
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You would delete all these articles I've created that no-one else has
edited? :-(
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Only if I can write a corollary, Any article 90 days old or more, with
a single editor should be deleted. That would be a ground-level
been due to increasing availability of sources online.
During the existing lifetime of Wikipedia, it is interesting to note
how certain areas of the internet grew at the same time. Was this
serendipity (chosing the right time to start Wikipedia) or something
more?
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and fights instead.
Sometimes very polite arguments, sometimes very incivil arguments,
sometime very long arguments, sometimes very incoherent arguments.
Sometimes mediation and other measures can help. Sometimes not.
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collaboration, ensure only credible articles get
mainspaced, yet retain anyone can edit and the gradual development of
stubs without pressure to delete.
Thoughts?
It's been suggested before. What it needs is someone to drive the idea forward.
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=1search=intitle%3Adraftfulltext=Searchns2=1title=Special%3ASearchadvanced=1fulltext=Advanced+search
Remember that not all drafts have that in the page title.
It might even be possible to just add a category to all userspace drafts.
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(Snip)
Remember that not all drafts have that in the page title.
It might even be possible to just add a category to all userspace drafts
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM, Charles
Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote:
Carcharoth wrote:
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 1:02 PM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd be in favor of a Draft: namespace, which users could use for drafting
articles. Content to be non-spidered. That way we
It's striking a balance between experts who WP:OWN articles and revert
ignorant editors who don't know what they are talking about, and
requiring experts to carefully explain everything. Ideally, you would
tell both lots to edit based on reliable sources, not from their own
authority.
Carcharoth
) and let them know what you've done, as you then need
to delete the redirect. It is usually only done for obvious cases
(e.g. someone write a biography of themself that should be on their
user page instead).
Carcharoth
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 1:57 AM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote:
I propose
Carcharoth
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good to see you assuming good faith and setting an example.
Assume good faith in this Project has come to mean Don't ask questions.
That era is finally over.
on 8/12/09 8:58 AM, Carcharoth at carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote:
That era never existed. There have always been people prepared
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