Re: [WikiEN-l] So what does Flagged Revs feel like?

2009-09-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should have flagged revs for as many articles as we can keep up-to-date with. If it takes more than 5 minutes (preferably 1 minute) to review an edit (except for occasional times when somehow a backlog

Re: [WikiEN-l] Things to do with your home movies

2009-09-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Put 'em on Wikipedia! Is it still super complicated and like a lot of hard work? Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing

Re: [WikiEN-l] Invitation for review

2009-09-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: It would help to have a list of things this list is *not* for. I suspect this thread is one of them, but am not certain. One of its roles is as a further avenue for review/appeal when things get heated on WP itself.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: The better alternative is to scale up the shorter article. This is an extension of 'Wiki is not paper'. Yeah but that's like saying the better alternative to any problem is to solve it. With our volunteer army, we're

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales post on Huffington Post

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 6:06 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: If however the actual result is a shift in editing cultural attitudes (measured for instance in the rate of non-BLP articles being semied or protected after the introduction of FR) towards a stricter and more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Invitation for review

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Bennett
Would anyone care to define the boundaries or goals of this discussion? Is it really going to be Let's all analyse everything Stevertigo has ever said or done, or had said about him? That could take a very long time. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales post on Huffington Post

2009-09-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 9:00 PM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: It might be interesting to examine the trend on de.wp - here, the net drop in IP edits seems to have been part of an overall long-term trend. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Hut_8.5/German_editing_stats Thanks

Re: [WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 4:50 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Never underestimate the effects of recentism ;-) Indeed. Although, peering into my crystal ball, into the future, far as human eye can see... 10,000 years in the future, and Barack Obama is a small paragraph in

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: This is absolutely standard, at least in Australia. For example, see the snip Thanks for that informative reply, that was really helpful. I wish I'd gone to GLAM-WIKI, I probably could have gotten work to pay for it too...

Re: [WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:30 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: 4. Persuade the staff to change policy. This is the approach I've been working on, one institution at a time.  A group of volunteers have been pooling information and resources toward that end.  We've had some successes

Re: [WikiEN-l] German Wikipedia and Sei grausam

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 20, 2009 at 10:55 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: The Google translation is hilarious, but the gist comes through: Hmm, Assume good intentions seems so much clearer than assume good faith. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Surreptitiousness surreptitious.wikiped...@googlemail.com wrote: [[Wikipedia:Footnote3]] explains it all.  I can't work out the difference, except maybe it took Dragons flight a lot of work to give us what we already had? Interesting. I'm not sure why we

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-23 Thread Steve Bennett
Just having a quick look at where these templates are still used, and I see some novel uses: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tigard,_Oregon#Government Here they're not being used for referencing, but to create specific footnotes for a specific section. Steve

[WikiEN-l] Notability and ski resorts (was: Newbie and not-so-newbie biting)

2009-09-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: I don't ski. You are partly arguing that there should not be a notability guideline for skiing sites. And partly that a specialist skiing encyclopedia should be a directory of just about all skiing sites.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation (was: Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.)

2009-09-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 2:48 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: I think that if the person you moderate objects to it, and wants it announced on the list, you should do so. Of course. On that note, whjon...@aol.com has requested that I publicly confirm that he is on moderation

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Apparently the new cool thing to do is {{r|foo}} rather than ref name=foo /. Works for me. ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Moderation (was: Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.)

2009-09-22 Thread Steve Bennett
Sure. I enabled your moderation flag because you keep posting large numbers of low-quality posts, despite my requests to the contrary. The specific event that triggered it was your posting of 4 very similar messages to the Deletion of unreferenced living person biographies thread, all quibbling

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admins can now rename files!

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:17 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Don't imagine they will want to let just anyone start moving files - not just for the server load reason, nor RAM or disk space issues (?), but because its just not necessary. We learned long ago to treat filenames as

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Going through their online store revealed a dozen more of my restorations for sale, all without credit.  Other featured picture contributors may want to review the vendor's collection to see whether their work is also

Re: [WikiEN-l] Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Surreptitiousness I think perhaps I'd ponder if we needed to be told on-list that someone was going on moderation. Yep, it's a good question, and I did ponder it. FYI, at around the same time, I placed another user on moderation, and didn't announce the fact.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Jimmy Wales post on Huffington Post

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 7:17 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: An objectivist in a liberal blog? It happens. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jimmy-wales/what-the-msm-gets-wrong-a_b_292809.html (It's a piece about our remarkably accuracy-deficient coverage in the media in the last month

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: That question has already been answered several times, in several ways.  I am at a loss for how to restate it, and the insinuation posed alongside the question discourages further attempt. Ok, I've read through all your

[WikiEN-l] Moderation (was: Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.)

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: You can add to the advantages that it can also produce a why did you moderate *him*? response from list members. I got an e-mail from the other user you placed on moderation, and I was puzzled as to why he had been

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newbie and not-so-newbie biting

2009-09-21 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: The hill has five rope tows and seven ski runs. Is this an encyclopedic topic? Not really. Hmm. I've written about quite a few ski resorts (Broken River, Craigieburn Valley, Fox Peak, Invincible Snowfields,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:49 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The eBay reseller named at the top of this thread may (or may not) have done something morally questionable, but I think it's a major I'm not seeing it. They're printing public domain images sourced from an open source

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe have something like this: {{reflist|begin}} becomes references {{reflist|end}} becomes /references {{reflist}} says as references / That's a bit ugly but doable. You might as well just make it {{reflist-begin}}

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Soxred93 soxre...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe have something like this: {{reflist|begin}} becomes references {{reflist|end}} becomes /references {{reflist}} says as references / That's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Article metadata separation from main wikitext

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:37 AM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: Oic, it's actually {{refbegin}} and {{refend}}. Or alternatively: {{reflist|refs= ref ../ref }} Learnt about this the standard way knowledge about wiki syntax proliferates: diffs. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php

Re: [WikiEN-l] Botspam joe job

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:34 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: As a general suggestion, you may find you have more success in having your posts accepted if you present your larger point rather than making a pithy comment that is out of context. Yes...but if a post is neither accepted nor

Re: [WikiEN-l] Stick this in your music theory and smoke it.

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, that post was totally off topic. You're on moderation now. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Jay Litwyn brewh...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca wrote: http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Sound/MSixths.mp3 DATA 35,27,2,24,40,6,45,27,2,30,50,4 DATA 55,33,2,36,60,4,65,39,4,42,70,4,0,0,4 ' How is it that the

[WikiEN-l] Permission required on copyright expired images...

2009-09-17 Thread Steve Bennett
Question for the copyright experts. See this image: http://images.slsa.sa.gov.au/mpcimg/01000/B838.htm It's over 100 years old, and there is no clear copyright statement (ie, the photographer isn't listed). Yet they say Any other use requires permission from the State Library of South Australia.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:51 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Also, let's not forget, the point of BLP was to give the OFFICE a reason to continue existing. Wtf? This sounds like a bold, nasty claim, but perhaps I'm not understanding what you're implying. What are you trying to say,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: and no share of authorship.  If *Time* were to plagiarize a text editor the matter certainly would be taken seriously. Do you think? Based on past experience, the reaction is usually to laugh at the offending party for a)

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Durova nadezhda.dur...@gmail.com wrote: Restored: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Stroop_Report_-_Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising_06b.jpg Also, I'm confused. There is absolutely nothing at that page which would indicate to me that I wasn't entitled to do what that

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikimedian image restorations exploited on eBay

2009-09-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:03 PM, Rich Holton richhol...@gmail.com wrote: I'd say that Time magazine and the eBay culprit(s) *should* have given Durova credit for the restoration. But the should I'm using has to do with common decency--something that is becoming rather uncommon. As that page

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-known

2009-09-15 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Clearly, though, this is a cultural matter. Readability in this sort of sense is conditioned by the expectation that the written language is very close to the spoken language, for example, which is

Re: [WikiEN-l] Newyorkbrad's speech at Wikiconference New York

2009-09-13 Thread Steve Bennett
237mb downloadable in Ogg format - is there not a streaming version somewhere? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:57 AM, Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) newyorkb...@gmail.com wrote: Privacy.The video of that talk has now been posted and is available at:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well-known

2009-09-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: One can hardly call a respect for good grammar pedantry. If by respect, you mean, congratulating those that use good grammar, then I don't disagree. If, otoh, you mean, fixing minor errors or criticising mistakes...then

Re: [WikiEN-l] Bulk upload on Commons

2009-09-13 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Gwern Branwen gwe...@gmail.com wrote: As with most such things, it's surely the latter. But do we want to encourage mass uploads? I thought people were already rather unhappy with so much fair use and copyvios and poor quality uploads (these were the cited

[WikiEN-l] Bulk upload on Commons

2009-09-10 Thread Steve Bennett
This is really a Commons question, but...why is so little effort made to promote bulk upload tools like Commonist? I've wasted countless hours struggling with the crappy web forms, when it's so easy to do using the right tool. None of the upload pages make the slightest mention of these tools. Is

Re: [WikiEN-l] What happens when you're unhappy with the Wikipedia article on your town

2009-09-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I guess you knew that all already, actually, but I wasn't sure if you were joking when you made the 'doctor' comment above. Medical analogies, eh? :-) Just a comment on the amusing juxtaposition. Like last week when

Re: [WikiEN-l] Another Media and Wikipedia blackout on NYT reporter in Afghan...

2009-09-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Dude, you just posted 7 consecutive posts to the same thread. That's at least 5 too many. Worse, none of them were longer than 3 lines. Please refrain - why not collect your thoughts into one more substantial post? Thanks, Steve

Re: [WikiEN-l] What happens when you're unhappy with the Wikipedia article on your town

2009-09-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Keith Oldkeith...@gmail.com wrote: ...Youngborg recommends that people use a “jaundiced eye” when surfing the Web. * *“I think people are going to have to get a little more calloused at the Internet,” Youngborg said.* Jandiced eyes and callouses? Sounds like he

Re: [WikiEN-l] Well known

2009-09-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:54 AM, Fred Bauderfredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I suppose, as in matters of internet deportment, civility, we must also accept the burden of maintaining the standard for English usage, global English usage. It is a grim and dreary business, but I must admit it is our

Re: [WikiEN-l] Google Books class action lawsuit

2009-09-08 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Contract violation *is* illegal. Actionable != illegal. The big difference is that you could walk into a police station and tell them that you broke a contract or terms of service, and they'd tell you to have a nice day.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yeah, let's botspam Wikipedia. I'm sure that'll work out just fine.

2009-09-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Riskerrisker...@gmail.com wrote: Amazing how few people realise that we're also perfectly capable of blacklisting their websites, and will do so without hesitation should a spambot show up.  Heck, we give people a hard time for putting in half a dozen of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Googley comments

2009-09-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 6:07 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Yes. Wikinews does this - they have a collaboration page for editors working on the article, but a comment page specifically for readers to spout forth. Would be good. Yes, there's no good reason we should subject casual

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Wired: Wikipedia to Color Code Untrustworthy Text

2009-09-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:36 PM, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: It's a lot less glamorous, sounds alot less dramatic, doesn't get the dollars - but it's got zero capability of misleading. To be honest, what exactly is the point of this thing? I've seen this kind of thing a couple of times when

Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity

2009-09-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 8:47 PM, genigeni...@gmail.com wrote: Most people are not going to want to read a book before editing wikipedia. Your problems are: -1) Getting people to realise that it's possible to edit 0) Getting people to want to edit 1)getting people to click the edit link in

Re: [WikiEN-l] British-American dictionary

2009-08-31 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:55 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Here's one http://www.travelfurther.net/dictionaries/ba-tz.htm It's so interesting, as an australian, seeing which of each of those pairs looks normal to me. Eg, Garden (not yard), Gas or Natural Gas both seem ok to me, Pickle (US) not

[WikiEN-l] I should know this, I worked on the Wikipedia article...

2009-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
Just curious, how often do the subjects of articles you work on come up in daily life? I work on a lot of pretty obscure and random stuff, but even still, I'm surprised how often I can claim to have written the article about some Australian town, a state park, a ski resort... On the downside,

Re: [WikiEN-l] I should know this, I worked on the Wikipedia article...

2009-08-30 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:33 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: I was just thinking the other day, Is there a British-American Dictionary ?  That would be a dictionary that has all these various words and phrases and their translations into British English.  Often I'll come upon an article obviously

Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: If the regulars editing have some auto-flagging to approve their own edits, surely they risk approving someone else's changes that were made in between the time they loaded and read the page, and clicked edit this

Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 12:37 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I think it'll remove a lot of the reward for aggressive stupidity not having the stupidity show up on the live site in real time. Oh, interesting point. Imagine a page gets flag-checked every sunday. On monday, what would be

Re: [WikiEN-l] A sudden thought on the media coverage of flagged revisions

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Ian Woollardian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: That perennial media narrative is a meme you're fighting. I think part of it is that it's much simpler than the rather subtle truth. Meme: Wikipedia had the goal of complete openness and anarchy, but it failed and they

Re: [WikiEN-l] Voting and !voting, what's the difference?

2009-08-27 Thread Steve Bennett
Tony Sidawaytonysida...@gmail.com wrote: Shortly after I thought we'd finally killed off the habit of excessive polling, an apologetic, humorous and evidently quite common meme appeared on Wikipedia: the !vote. Unlike the vote, the !vote seems to afford the author the latitude to falsely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Positives to publicity

2009-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I agree. Maybe have a Signpost-like note to everyone subscribed to Signpost? Maybe have that actually in the Signpost? Something like Editors note: There's an influx of newbies, so please be patient. How will that work?

[WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

2009-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
So apparently all the press reporting is wrong. What's the real story? For some reason, I've never actually come across these flagged revisions, partly because they always seemed to be happening in the future some time. What's the policy going to be? So, quick questions: 1) Is this going to apply

Re: [WikiEN-l] So, what is the deal with flagged revisions?

2009-08-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Ok, Erik's post answered some of these: So, quick questions: 1) Is this going to apply to every page? No, BLP's and some others. 9) Can non-logged in editors see non-flagged versions? Yes. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BB...

2009-08-24 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:13 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Steve, news articles *in general* are primary sources. Here is how you can tell:  Is what I'm reading the first time someone has published what I'm reading? So and so was hit by a car today -- primary source, first time published.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia reaches 3 millionth article

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 11:15 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: I believe they have machines to turn pages, and something to figure out the distorted photo of the book and render it how it would look as a flat page. Yeah, there are videos of these machines. The book sits open, the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying exonyms

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: I'm afraid *he*'ll come too early Yes, that's what I said. Apparently my fingers typed something completely different though. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

[WikiEN-l] Google harvesting TOC?

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
Is this new? I searched for lom metadata (without quotes) and got: Learning object metadata - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 14 Jul 2009 ... ANZ-LOM is a metadata profile developed for the education sector in Australia and New Zealand. The profile provides interpretations of ... [[IEEE

Re: [WikiEN-l] Policies, notability et al, was Request to Wikipedians for BBC...

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:15 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The way it was discussed in-project a teritiary source summarizes several secondary sources into one cohesive article. Is a work that summarises/draws on multiple news articles secondary or tertiary? I wonder, because I've considered

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions

2009-08-23 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: I'd really hate to go to [[curry]] and see recipes. The sorts of spices that are often included yes. But not cooking times. If I look up [[engine]] I want to know how it functions. But I don't want to see a tutorial on how

Re: [WikiEN-l] Annoying hatnotes

2009-08-22 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 2:02 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Not sure whether to include all the of Vienne or de Vienne or not. Perhaps on a separate page? Or altogether is probably fine. Hmm.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia reaches 3 millionth article

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
I updated the three millionth topic pool: Answer: Beate Eriksen, an obscure Norwegian actress. Winner: Cryptic C62, Sarah Badel, an obscure actress. Honorable mention: Michael of Lucan, Norwegian post offices 1943-1985 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Three-millionth_topic_pool On Tue,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia reaches 3 millionth article

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Keith Oldkeith...@gmail.com wrote: Both see the other ruining Wikipedia, either by defeating the point of an open encyclopedia, or by expanding its “pages” until the site dies from irrelevance. Wow. That's the worst characterisation of the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alphascript Publishing: 1900+ copypasted books from Wikipedia

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Kind of cool, really. Dunno about you, but when I write articles on Wikipedia, I do it so that lots of people can read them and the knowledge can be spread. I really don't care if someone is making a quick buck. Has anyone made a definitive list of them? It looks like I'm probably published here:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia reaches 3 millionth article

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Why not scan them and store them at wikisource? Lol. Indeed. Why not scan 200 volumes of an encyclopaedia? For fun, OCR it too.. Steve ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Gridlock should be impossible.

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
Agreed. Jay, the last time I went through the moderation queue, there were 15 messages from you. Could you please send less messages, and make them more relevant? Thanks, Steve (mod) On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: If you have a point that is within

Re: [WikiEN-l] Alphascript Publishing: 1900+ copypasted books from Wikipedia

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't be against Wikipedia having its own range of print works provided they were profitable and all funds were ploughed back into the Foundation. But I certainly don't think it would be a good idea if it were purely

Re: [WikiEN-l] Motion To Disqualify a Candidate if it supplied misinformation to WP:ANI to butress an argument with a block.

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:46 PM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Well with the lack of information i'm going to stab in the dark and guess were talking about community blocks/ban and other sanctions which are generally disucssed at WP:ANI. With the lack of information I'm more

Re: [WikiEN-l] Request to Wikipedians for BBC Documentary

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 1:55 AM, Cathy Edwardscathy.edwa...@bbc.co.uk wrote: I think I have a good idea why BLP are a hot topic of debate in this area, but why do you think fiction is contentious - because it's in danger of unbalancing the encyclopedia? I'll offer two reasons: 1) Because

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia approaches its limits - Technology Guardian

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 3:04 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: It can be problematic. I frequently edit as an IP when I'm at another machine and can't be bothered logging in. The unexplained reversion rate is *much* higher than when I edit logged-in, even though the edits are exactly

Re: [WikiEN-l] Indywiki, a visual browser for Wikipedia

2009-08-18 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 2:10 AM, Emily Monroebluecalioc...@me.com wrote: I don't get why there is any need for a dedicated Wikipedia browser. I agree. For one thing, there's the issue of making it accessible to Mac, Windows, and Linux. But yeah, it's good for inspiration. Yeah, so it's

Re: [WikiEN-l] Indywiki, a visual browser for Wikipedia

2009-08-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 8:09 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: It shows the first coupla paragraphs of an article, with pictures. Why only the first coupla? I do like: - the separation of links out on the right hand side (our don't repeat links policy is pretty annoying at times) - the

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability testing (Try Beta)

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:36 AM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote: Which you can ignore.  It's beta-testing, the whole point is to gather feedback and make things better, so I don't have a problem with it. :-) On the subject, when you click beta feedback, one of the questions is:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Either more accurate assessments, or the article standards are slipping. :-( Or the definitions of the standards are being raised. It's hard to tell which is the case though, as there's no obvious way to find out which

Re: [WikiEN-l] Report a Problem hack

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: It clearly requires a lot of maintenance of said error reports page to pull something like this off, but perhaps it would be worth trying out for a while? Definitely. Now, perhaps I'm too old and cynical, but with all these

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lies, damned lies, and statistics

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:29 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote: Is Wales sole founder?  I don't think you can come up with a reasonable definition of founder by which that is true. I would make the following observations based on my reading: 1) Wales' role in the genesis of Wikipedia is much

Re: [WikiEN-l] http://euobserver.com/883/28232

2009-08-10 Thread Steve Bennett
Sorry, what? I see that the photo at the top of that URL is the same as this one: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Houses.of.parliament.overall.arp.jpg That one is listed as public domain - so they don't even have to credit it. It says an Adrian Pingstone took the photo in 2005 and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia was founded for OR

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:51 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Skepticism rears it's ugly head. I just don't think that motivations are ever that straight forward. Everyone loves to tell a simple tale like The idea came to me one day when X, so that night I decided to Y. Usually, though, we all have

Re: [WikiEN-l] Usability testing (Try Beta)

2009-08-09 Thread Steve Bennett
I'm trying it. It looks a lot like Vector, which I was already using. Haven't really made up my mind about Vector/Acai. Seems like a step in the right direction, but it's not really earth shatteringly better. But then, usability is not really about helping experienced power-users... Steve On

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Only three of those 24 articles, in my opinion, have moved much beyond being a single line article or a few lines at most, even though impeccably referenced. You might say go and help expand those articles (and I

Re: [WikiEN-l] In development--BLP task force

2009-08-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to a degree. But what if they later say, in an equally verifiable source, that that was a joke? Or if a verifiable source says it isn't true? But yes, I wouldn't object to seeing that in an article provided policy is

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-06 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: But still? A local library? I find it useful to look at things in context with other similar institutions. So, I try and think of famous libraries. The British Library, the Bodleian Library, the Library of Congress,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 7:44 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: One of the annoying things is that sometimes you can have a grouping of possible titles and possble redirects (e.g. A. Other, Any Other, A. M. Other, Any Middle Other, Any Other (disambiguator), and so on), and

Re: [WikiEN-l] Lists and redlinks and link maintenance

2009-08-03 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Charles Matthewscharles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: visible fashion. It's around 30,000 links to do, doesn't matter so much where people plunge in (check page history to see if someone else is active(. Now that I have discovered [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia 1.0]]

Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:37 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Efforts like the Wikipedia Selection for Schools are important to help too (and feed into 0.7 and 1.0). Remember, that's a real actual encyclopedia DVD being used in actual schools and hugely popular with teachers, based on

Re: [WikiEN-l] Health advice from the web

2009-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Ben Kovitzbkov...@acm.org wrote: attention to tags?  I know it's 2009, and I know tags will never go away, but most tags still strike me as both anti-wiki and page clutter.  If a page has a problem, fix it. That attitude is anti-wiki. I can diagnose far more

Re: [WikiEN-l] If anyone ever says Wikipedia is too deletionist

2009-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Dan Dascalescuddascalescu+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Aside from that, let's have a bit of common sense: does anyone sincerely think that if Martin Niemoeller were alive, he'd object to the image of that monument being on Wikipedia? Does anyone think that any of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Do experts have a moral obligation to contribute to Wikipedia?

2009-08-02 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:10 PM, Ben Kovitzbkov...@acm.org wrote: Wikipedia-editing is pretty far removed from subject-matter expertise.  It's more about searching and summarizing and collaborating.  It's closer to being a librarian than any other occupation. Librarian? Nah. There are lots of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: So what if there have been tens of thousands of papers on the Rorschachs!  The geocentric universe was impervious to criticism for much longer. If the tests are truly scientific they will be just as scientific when exposed

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia:Paradoxes

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
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Re: [WikiEN-l] Where does en:wp need most help?

2009-08-01 Thread Steve Bennett
But I'm  interested to know if the good people of this list are aware of specific  tasks/duties on en:wp that are woefully understaffed at the moment. Things  that really need doing. My current view is that [[wp:1.0]] is really the only taskforce that matters, and there is a huge amount of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rorschach wars continue

2009-07-30 Thread Steve Bennett
So, can someone fill me in on why we're laughing at this? From the article: To psychologists, to render the Rorschach test meaningless would be a particularly painful development because there has been so much research conducted — tens of thousands of papers, by Dr. Smith’s estimate — to try

Re: [WikiEN-l] NYT: Wikipedia May Be a Font of Fac ts, but It’s a Desert for Photos

2009-07-28 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 1:45 AM, Carcharothcarcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: get the photographer credit, unless the photographer is famous). There have been cases (I won't name names) of photographers putting their name in the filenames, but there should be other ways to address the I do

Re: [WikiEN-l] Admin churn?

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Andrew Turveyandrewrtur...@googlemail.com wrote: Does that mean we should have the same process for delisting admins - not really fair that candidates today are held to a higher standard than candidates who got through three years ago! Actually it is fair,

Re: [WikiEN-l] MediaWiki is getting a new programming language

2009-07-16 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 8:02 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: The point is that discussion of the matter is much more likely to be effective there rather than here, because there is specifically where the official discussion is being conducted! It's an open list, anyone can subscribe

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