Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-15 Thread stevertigo
Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote: Actually, there's now a thread on Commons for logo feedback: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikipedia/2.0#Logo_revisions_need_input I have tried my hand at tweaking a few things in SVG:

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-15 Thread Michael Peel
On 15 May 2010, at 03:20, Casey Brown wrote: On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 5:40 AM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: Logo stuff can be discussed on the Wikimedia blog here: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2010/05/13/wikipedia-in-3d/ Actually, there's now a thread on Commons for logo

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-15 Thread stevertigo
Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Steve, that's getting closer.  What's missing is texture. The original looks like a puzzle, and the alternates don't quite get there yet; when you look at a puzzle, you see shadings as you come close to the lines, which in a real puzzle are pressed

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-14 Thread Chad
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Delete and protect are in the dropdown arrow next to the star on the upper-right.  Block is where it always was, on the toolbar on the

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread William Beutler
de-lurk Despite my concerns about the search box location, I was resigned to the Vector changeover until just this moment. And while I'm glad to see the Japanese fixed (and possibly some of the other languages) the new *look* is not an improvement. Too dark, too small. If there is a discussion

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/05/2010, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer the old location for the search box, yes. But I think that's because I'm _used_

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 4:01 PM, William Beutler williambeut...@gmail.com wrote: Despite my concerns about the search box location, I was resigned to the Vector changeover until just this moment. And while I'm glad to see the Japanese fixed (and possibly some of the other languages) the new

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Carcharoth
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:12 PM, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: snip sigh I'm used to typing the term for a page I know is there and hitting search (instead of go) because I want the results

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Ian Woollard
On 13/05/2010, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: Under firefox, the new search box is quite buggy actually. I just tried typing really quickly into it on a slow machine, and ended up with only half the

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 May 2010 21:21, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's a horrible, horrible bug in the search box. To be honest, I think this bug should have gated the release; about 50% of the page hits go through this one box, and it's rewriting what the users type. Has it been

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-14 Thread Ian Woollard
On 14/05/2010, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 14 May 2010 21:21, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: No, it's a horrible, horrible bug in the search box. To be honest, I think this bug should have gated the release; about 50% of the page hits go through this one box, and it's

[WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Charles Matthews
Cameron and Clegg have got to WP already? No, I must be confused, but the new look has arrived on our pages. My first reaction is that the watchlist arrangements are cryptic. (I was always going to hate having to scroll to the top for the search box.) Charles

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread AGK
Cameron and Clegg have got to WP already? No, I must be confused, but the new look has arrived on our pages. I don't really like it either. But whilst from an editor's point of view the skin is less suitable than monobook (or even modern), I think our readers will enjoy the new layout. The

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: AGK wrote: My first reaction is that the watchlist arrangements are cryptic. (I was always going to hate having to scroll to the top for the search box.) I prefer the old location for the search box,

[WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread WereSpielChequers
Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID:        aanlktilbw5anksocwrk1skyeuq_43vuzcnomm6vat...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cameron and Clegg have got to WP already? No, I must be confused, but the new look

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread William Pietri
On 05/13/2010 04:38 AM, AGK wrote: But although it's too early for the mainstream media to have covered the redesign, what reception the blogosphere has given it seems to be generally negative. (Google 'wikipedia new design' and take a look at the blog posts and comments. But take the comments

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Stephen Bain
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: My first reaction is that the watchlist arrangements are cryptic. (I was always going to hate having to scroll to the top for the search box.) I'm used to most of it, as would most of the people who have

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread Amory Meltzer
with disappeared. So I've reverted to the old skin; At least they made it easy to do that. WereSpielChequers Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:38:56 +0100 From: AGK wiki...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look To: English Wikipedia wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Amory Meltzer
It's counter-intuitive, perhaps, but I find the internet community as a whole to be surprisingly unaccepting of change. ~A On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 09:16, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: People should probably take blog and blog comment reaction with quite a bit of salt. I've been

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread AGK
The thing that's throwing me is the new logo. It's darker than the old one was, and actually it seems closer to the original version of the puzzle globe. It also looks to me less sharp than the old version. Especially odd-looking is the text underneath the Wikipedia globe. Does anybody else

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: Delete and protect are in the dropdown arrow next to the star on the upper-right.  Block is where it always was, on the toolbar on the left, but you have to click the arrow to display the menu.  The reason none of

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread MuZemike
On 5/13/2010 8:36 AM, Stephen Bain wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:37 PM, Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: My first reaction is that the watchlist arrangements are cryptic. (I was always going to hate having to scroll to the top for the search box.) I'm

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:57 PM, MuZemike muzem...@gmail.com wrote: Another gripe is that they shrunk the search box even smaller, which really makes looking for a page problematic. On nearly all computers and with how vector is set up to operate, the width of the search box could easily be

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Phantomsteve
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:46:47 +0100 From: WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@googlemail.com Subject: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia To: wikien-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: aanlktikhfjdg0ty412vbcawkudmjx7jpm30ps4tsu...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Phantomsteve wikipedia.phantomst...@phantom-enterprises.co.uk wrote: I'll try vector when I have a chance to try out the different scripts which I have in monobook - I might just add them one at a time to vector and see which work and which don't! There is a

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread Calculator Ftvb
On 13 May 2010 10:14, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe that should be done automatically for everyone where monobook.js exists but vector.js doesn't? If that were done, it would be important to make sure the monobook.js was retained (do it as a copy, rather than a move).

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Calculator Ftvb i...@futuramerlin.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 10:14, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Maybe that should be done automatically for everyone where monobook.js exists but vector.js doesn't? If that were done, it would be important

Re: [WikiEN-l] The new look to Wikipedia

2010-05-13 Thread Calculator Ftvb
Noöne; I just thought it important to make sure users' monobook scripts weren't broken. —Ecw.technoid.dweeb On 13 May 2010 13:19, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Calculator Ftvb i...@futuramerlin.com wrote: On 13 May 2010 10:14, Magnus

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread stevertigo
David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. I've been using Vector since the beta and find it no problem. I agree. I've been using beta as well and I think people just need to be familiar with it. What would be usable would be a simple drop down menu for letting the user choose between

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:46 PM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree. I've been using Vector since the beta and find it no problem. I agree. I've been using beta as well and I think people just need to be familiar with it. What would be usable

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Ian Woollard
On 13/05/2010, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer the old location for the search box, yes. But I think that's because I'm _used_ to it being on the left. I think the usability team gave a rationale at one point for the new box location, and I seem to recall it being quite a sound one.

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/05/2010, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer the old location for the search box, yes. But I think that's because I'm _used_ to it being on the left. I think the usability team gave a rationale at one

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Ian Woollard
On 13/05/2010, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm used to typing the term for a page I know is there and hitting search (instead of go) because I want the results of a search rather than being take to the page (e.g. when searching for people not listed on a disambiguation page,

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Ian Woollard ian.wooll...@gmail.com wrote: On 13/05/2010, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com wrote: I prefer the old location for the search box, yes. But I think that's because I'm _used_ to it being on the left. I think the usability team gave a rationale at one

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Charles Matthews
Carcharoth wrote: sigh I'm used to typing the term for a page I know is there and hitting search (instead of go) because I want the results of a search rather than being take to the page (e.g. when searching for people not listed on a disambiguation page, though they should be). How do I do

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread AGK
On 13 May 2010 21:10, Carcharoth carcharot...@googlemail.com wrote: I realise I (and others) will have to adapt, and this is all part of the usability drive. I maintain that the usability drive is almost exclusively aimed at those just discovering editing, and at new editors. It became clear

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Charles Matthews
AGK wrote: Basically, us set-in-our-ways old-timers aren't the target audience for the Vector skin :-). Indeed. Going back to monobook is not quite enough, though. Best to hide the message speaking of We've made a few improvements to Wikipedia, too. Charles

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread stevertigo
Charles Matthews charles.r.matth...@ntlworld.com wrote: Indeed. Going back to monobook is not quite enough, though. Best to hide the message speaking of We've made a few improvements to Wikipedia, too. And who is we in the we've made improvements. It was not long ago that we made the

Re: [WikiEN-l] The New Look

2010-05-13 Thread Amory Meltzer
I absolutely agree. I'd never use vector to edit, but from a purely reading point of view (which is still 50% of how I use Wikimedia) it's gorgeous, and very smooth, and I feel definitely highlights the editing aspect as well. ~A On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 16:21, AGK wiki...@googlemail.com