Time to once again consider the future of this list and maybe also
that of Wikipedia-L (as David suggested back in December)?
I think I'm right in saying that apart from this list being used for
some discussion of block appeals, nothing was posted here for all of
June and July?
https://lists.wiki
icles
that could be created.
A better example (for more interwikis) is this article (in en, de, it and pt):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_von_Siemens_Ring
How would wikidata handle that sort of data?
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On 5/14/15, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> Magnus has produced new fu
new posts, or forwarding new posts to Wikimedia-l,
making a referral to Wikimedia-l in the info, and leaving the archives open.
>
> Fred Bauder
>
> On Tue, 2 Dec 2014 00:26:31 +0000
> Carcharoth wrote:
>>
>> If the moderators of this mailing list are around, would they o
as.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l
Actually, looking at the list of moderators, how many of them are still around?
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>
>> Of course Carcharoth. Cany promise anything but happy to try!
>> On 11 Aug 2014 13:02, "Carcharoth" wrote:
>>
>> > Would anyone subscribed to this mailing list have time to help finding
>> > suitably licensed photos on Flick
eally any images used
would be taken at the events themselves.
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On 4/4/14, Carcharoth wrote:
> Has the font used to display the title of Wikipedia pages changed? I
> noticed things looked different today and have just worked out what
> the change is. Is there a discussion about this anywhere, or more
> information?
Ah, OK:
http://en.wikipe
Has the font used to display the title of Wikipedia pages changed? I
noticed things looked different today and have just worked out what
the change is. Is there a discussion about this anywhere, or more
information?
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OK, I'll stop there...
On 2/25/14, Carcharoth wrote:
> Ah, I think I found it:
>
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikimediaShopLink
>
> On 2/25/14, Carcharoth wrote:
>> Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
>>
>> I noticed &#x
Ah, I think I found it:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikimediaShopLink
On 2/25/14, Carcharoth wrote:
> Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
>
> I noticed 'Wikimedia Shop' appeared there (recently?), and I can only find:
>
> http
Is anyone able to track down the history of the sidebar?
I noticed 'Wikimedia Shop' appeared there (recently?), and I can only find:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sidebar
How do I get from that to the actual pages where changes are being made?
nders, and that the
female subcategory is a convenience when a particular area has been
studied in gender terms.
Personally, I think the de-wiki way is the better way, and the
categorisation system needs to adapt to intersection possibilities.
See also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ca
a.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_April_24#Category:American_women_novelists
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On 4/25/13, Kathleen McCook wrote:
> Wikipedia's overwhelmingly male user-editors began the bizarre forced
> gender migration on Tuesday
>
>
> The New York Times::
>>
>>
> htt
u get periodic flare-ups, exacerbated by the nature of online
communications (the lack of body language to and verbal tone) and the
lack of empathy for others that some who are drawn to Wikipedia
exhibit.
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On 4/16/13, Kathleen McCook wrote:
> Right--and this would make all the diff
tics in a way. And why would you think that
inclusionism/deletionism debates are intractable? I thought the idea
that such terms should be avoided (as they are divisive) was taking
hold and gaining ground?
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If you want anecdotal evidence, I would say that someone's first
encounter with AfD can set them firmly in one place on the spectrum,
but that most people who stick around see their views evolve as they
come to understand sources and the range of articles topics and
various problems better. Whether
can, if they want, easily
drill down to the more detailed levels where more pictures are used
(even if those levels are on other sites).
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ata entry, is it worth creating one or just waiting for one to be
created as more interwiki links are added, or other Wikidata
functionality is added?
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and would you have time to check the sources?
Seeing as it is the sources you need to read to verify what you are
reading... (no-one takes on blind trust what they read on Wikipedia
without checking the sources, do they now??).
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PS. You might find that the page(s) you chose to read had b
the Final Destination film series - if you've not
seen them, best avoided really).
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On 2/12/13, Newyorkbrad wrote:
> I would look up my obituary on the [[Wikipedia:Deceased Wikipedians]] page
> and see what was listed as my place of death. Then, I would make sur
o inspect each
individual case. It *is* important that contemporary coverage exists
as a check and balance to past coverage, but past coverage can provide
historical context in other articles, even if it ultimately is
insufficient to support a stand-alone articl
etimes only briefly. Some stuff is just waiting for
historians to write about it, or not as the case may be. Some stuff
from 150 years ago has been written about 20 years ago, but may not be
returned to by future historians for another 100 years, if at all.
ticles that are poorly maintained and look
increasingly out of date as time goes by.
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archives over there and subscribe to this one (which is
very low traffic now). Maybe a thread on which mailing lists people
use? Or on the new namespaces that I only just noticed a few months
ago? (That would at least be about en-Wikipedia).
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make for different sorts of discussions.
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te and non-confrontational as
possible, but is there a way to (politely) point out that mailing list
etiquette would suggest a different approach? i.e. constructive
criticism of the form "can we keep most of this in one or two
threads?"
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a
publicity ever try and correct this misunderstanding, or is it
near-impossible to get the distinction across to journalists?
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On 7/30/12, David Gerard wrote:
> On 30 July 2012 14:49, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> PPS. It strikes me that what I said here is better said on the
>> wikimediauk-l mailing list. Is it possible to subscribe to that
>> without having joined WM-UK?
>
>
> Yeah, it
istinction is an important one. Having said that, the
British Library food is good, so I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to
compare that to the Mozilla food... :-) But sadly I'll not be around
in London that weekend.
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PS. I thought there was talk at some point of WM-UK providing
On 7/30/12, Carcharoth wrote:
> The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
> the background to this:
>
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html
PS. Here also:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki
The thread started on wikimedia-l here, if anyone here wants to read
the background to this:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2012-July/121418.html
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Wikipedia's
documentation - is it? And do they cover famous animals as well?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Olav
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(and other genders).
Examples of discussions include this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2005_June_27
And this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Ethnicity,_gender,_religion_and_sexuality/Archive_1
But that is around 2005. Not looked earlier than th
It does seem appropriate that this milestone was reached during
Wikimania. Does anyone have a listing of when the other "million"
milestones were reached?
There is also a discussion here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Main_Page#4.2C000.2C000th_article
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On 7/13/12, Tan
are
places on the German Wikipedia to draw attention to that sort of
thing?
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nd topography. This series catalogues each of
these beautiful and influential books, carefully describing and
illustrating them."
That sounds reliable.
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On 7/3/12, WereSpielChequers wrote:
> As long as the query is relevant to the Wiiproject I don't see a problem in
&g
t; expertise. That's why IMHO the content noticeboard and similar
> overcentralised mechanisms won't work.
>
> Patience also helps, not every expert will be here every month.
Good point. Patience *is* a virtue. :-)
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lar to how the edit request template
works).
Would something like that have any chance of being useful?
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On 7/3/12, Carcharoth wrote:
> On 7/2/12, Ken Arromdee wrote:
>> On Sat, 30 Jun 2012, WereSpielChequers wrote:
>>> I'm not inclined to shed a tear for hotel articles, many of which are I
>>> suspect being created by spammers, but David makes an important point re
es in certain parts of the world.
>
> Wasn't there a probem where Jimbo wrote an article for a restaurant in
> South Africa and people tried to delete it for this reason?
That would be:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mzoli%27s
Reading the AfD (available in the page history) is a bit
nline
freely licensed sites to work together in synergy, exchanging material
as needed, but it still feels like a distraction from the core
activities.
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ople assume that Wikipedia is the place for everything, but if
people are going to get out of that mindset, you need to tell them
they were in the wrong place, and not just move stuff for them.
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Wikipedia is associated by some with social media.
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t;
Sound rather familiar...
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On 6/20/12, Carcharoth wrote:
> A claim made here about Duolingo and translating Wikipedia:
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18367017
>
> "With 100,000 active users, von Ahn says Duolingo could translate
> Wikipedia from English into Spa
article on Duolingo is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duolingo
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proach). Administrators are only
needed when you have deletions or undeletions taking place, and that
isn't always the case (though I realise you were referring to that in
your example).
Not that the public at large really get the distinction, though.
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narrow set of articles. Removal of content within articles is a
completely different ballgame.
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That was limited to pages less than 30, though, after some objections
were raised. Possibly admins or others can see pages that have less
than 30 watchers. Can't remember.
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g a cross-hair on
its forehead". My view is that if such experiments are to be carried
out, it would be better if they were designed and conducted by those
able to restrain themselves from such snark.
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get deleted):
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Insert "me" after "telling" below...
On 5/22/12, Carcharoth wrote:
> On 5/22/12, David Gerard wrote:
>> Brian McNeil's productive work in Edinburgh. I particularly like the
>> idea of recruiting newbies at libraries - with all those lovely old
>&g
. This could work anywhere.
You are not telling that this isn't a perennial proposal? It's
blindingly obvious. The issue is not recruiting newbies, but keeping
them and getting them to understand how Wikipedia works, and then to
be productive instead of getting sucked into the vario
o places where the reader can
view such images. I can provide some examples if anyone wishes to
discuss this.
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hat the question of external links is more one of
quality, and your analysis is oversimplistic? I submit that
well-formatted and well-chosen external links tend to stick, while
drive-by additions (or removals) don't. Which is not entirely
surprising.
Carcharoth
PS. We have gone way off-topic.
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On 4/11/12, Dr Jacob F. de Wolff wrote:
> Carcharoth wrote:
>>What I'm thinking in particular
> is that some FACs would benefit from what is essentially an *external*
> peer review process (as opposed to the internal peer review and other
> review processes). i.e. Actively
requirements? Straw polls
should either follow discussion, or link to discussion/pages on the
topic.
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newspaper journalists do this, but not
many do.
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like that have been handled under
pending changes? Most likely rejected due to being mis-spelt and no
source provided, but where is the line drawn?
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mentioned at some point. I'm not on Facebook and I don't listen to the
radio. The question is, should I make myself aware of what is being
said in those media before editing such articles or their talk pages,
or not? If there is a need to follow 'responses' in other media, that
is
nymous nature of
editing, there hasn't been much interest in this model of reviewing,
but I'd be interested to see reactions to this.
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m, and it always has been.
I wonder, how much of the early editing (first 2-3 years), was on news
topics? How much was on historical topics? ANd has that changed over
time?
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On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Charles Matthews
wrote:
> On 4 April 2012 15:10, Carcharoth wrote:
>>
>> We *should* have a category of BLP stubs, but I can't find it. Maybe
>> someone can cross-reference the BLP category and the "people stub"
>> cate
ioacademy.org/hall-of-fame/
http://www.radiohof.org/
It would be simple to incorporate something like that into a SNG
(specific notability guideline), but I doubt that will be possible in
the current climate.
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career has finished. The
whole "notability is not temporary" thing needs serious
re-examination.
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out a living person who can (in theory) turn
up and object to what has been written.
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than to produce poorly maintained
stubs.
That is the entire BLP problem in a nutshell. If the sources aren't
there, the articles are placeholders that will only be short and
stubby until someone out there writes more about that person, and if
that never happens, then is it u
ate the next level of
biographical coverage, and being the first to do so. Wikipedia
shouldn't be in the business of attempting to write biographies of a
new type (aggregating existing sources) where nothing similar has been
done before.
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_
Wikipedia seems to be down...
http://wikistatus.ezyang.com/
Anyone know what's happening?
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t is nearly always a bad
thing.
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ing people) come along later and
try and 'expand' what is there. I'd be in favour of locking down BLPs
once they reach a certain stage of development and requiring a very
high standard of sourcing for new additions.
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waiting for the definitive accounts to be written by others (and then
summarised and incorporated into the Wikipedia article).
There are other examples, but I'll leave those for another time.
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Very sad news in both cases. My condolences to those that knew them.
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On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 6:25 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 23 March 2012 17:20, Carcharoth wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM, David Gerard wrote:
>
>>> Who's Who might say "this guy is notable", but the actual content is
>>> completely se
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Carcharoth wrote:
> What I would say is that Wikipedia biographies should have at least one
> source that
I knew I should have finished the draft before posting it... That
sentence was meant to say something like "should have at least one
sou
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:16 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 23 March 2012 17:10, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> For Leon Mestel, the qualifying sources would be his entry in Who's
>> Who and in Debrett's People of Today. Those are UK-specific sources.
>> What would the e
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:18 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 23 March 2012 14:04, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> It has been said before, but that is why specialist biographical
>> dictionaries often have as one of their inclusion criteria that
>> someone has to be dead before ha
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 4:48 PM, David Gerard wrote:
> On 23 March 2012 14:04, Carcharoth wrote:
>
>> I'm posting here an argument I made in a recent AfD, explaining why I
>> think more stringent notability requirements are needed for
>> biographical articles:
&g
ing to find out
anything more about people who have faded back into obscurity and for
whom it is often difficult to ascertain if they are still living.
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their website."
That was from User:DracoEssentialis (12:00, 23 March 2012 (UTC)).
I'm also going to post what I proposed at that AfD, but I'll do that
in another thread.
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icles
in general) should require published biographies during the person's
lifetime and/or obituaries after death. Would anyone on this mailing
list be willing to bounce ideas around about that? The sticking point
is what constitutes a 'published biography'?
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hese templates will add tagged articles to Category:Articles to be
merged, while non-articles (files, templates, etc.) will be added to
Category:Items to be merged."
Doh! Thanks anyway.
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one else gets there first,
but was wondering where very old merge proposals are listed. Is there
a tracking category somewhere that they are put in?
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to the
process on Wikipedia or the process for the encyclopedia you are
writing for? In my view, that process you describe is how writing on
Wikipedia *should* work. Whether it does in practice or not is another
matter.
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> http://savageminds.org/2012/01/19/wikipedia-encyclopedias/
Probably not the first and not the last. I don't find it that surprising.
What he says there is excellent, though. Well worth reading.
Ca
Also this:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/jan/17/wikipedia-blackout
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ipedia, where can you get your facts?"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16601517
All BBC News, 18 January 2012.
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disablement to just article namespace (which is
what would be needed to allow other stuff to carry on as normal). I
don't think it would ever really happen.
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this, or post before I do, please do.
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o this that are still readable (even if not editable),
could someone list them here?
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r future, if only because this strategy becomes less effective the
more it is used.
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Thanks! All looks great now.
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Tom Morris wrote:
> On 9 January 2012 17:55, Carcharoth wrote:
>> Is anyone able to deal with this image? (Or ask someone else or repost
>> this someone suitable?)
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fi
show the
Wikipedia file if there is a file of the same name both here and on on
Commons.
Carcharoth
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Thought some here might be interested in this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16443825
It's about the history of managing knowledge and information.
Carcharoth
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icles don't need to be perfect. As long
as they are reasonably good and reasonably accurate, it is the
subsidiary articles with the details that are more important, and
Wikipedia is better at producing those sort of articles anyway.
Carcharoth
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