Hi Andy Mabbett,
Sorry for late reply. At that time I didn't see that is necessary, so I
didn't ask any explanation. I hoped someone more eligible probably got the
scholarship. I only realised very late that so many people were excluded.
Please see some responses also:
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The problem is myths and rumours will arise always in a process that is
not (and should not) be objective. We can't just give some
It is a subjective process where you evaluate so
Since there seems to be considerable community interest in how Wikimania
scholarships are awarded, could a review of the scholarship selection
process, and the splits of how funds are allocated (partial or full, GS or
GN) be included in the scope of the upcoming community consultation about
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The problem is myths and rumours will arise always in a process that is
not (and should not) be objective. We can't just give some
It is a subjective process where you evaluate so many people
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Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Fwd: Wikimania Scholarship
The problem is myths and rumours will arise always in a process that is not
(and should not) be objective. We can't just give some
It is a subjective process where you evaluate so many people, with different
Lodewijk - I think you are carrying the conversation in an inappropriate
direction by trying to logically examine the merit of the points. Instead
of trying to prove or disprove the rumors, I would instead propose to
examine whether this kind of discussion really exists in significant
amounts, and
2015-07-31 9:16 GMT-03:00 Lane Rasberry l...@bluerasberry.com:
Hello,
Leave the fairness of the scholarship process aside. Regardless of its
fairness, the process is generating ill-will because of lack of
transparency and poor communication. The problem might be growing to
something beyond
On 31 July 2015 at 09:02, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote:
scholarships
When you asked the scholarship committee(s) for feedback on your
application(s), what were you told?
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The list of WMF scholarship is now being published every year at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:TPS/Wikimania_scholars#2015_WMF_Scholarship_Recipients
The reports from last year are at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimania/Scholarships/Reports/2014
. Before that there was
The problem is myths and rumours will arise always in a process that is not
(and should not) be objective. We can't just give some
It is a subjective process where you evaluate so many people, with
different backgrounds and different contributions. What is more important?
Founding a chapter or
Can we move on to something else ?
Concerns have been raised, answers have been given. If there are needs for
more clarification can it happens in more private emails ?
2015-07-31 14:09 GMT+02:00 Stuart Prior stuartpriorw...@gmail.com:
Nicholas,
Yes it's a fair point. I can't speak for
Hello,
Leave the fairness of the scholarship process aside. Regardless of its
fairness, the process is generating ill-will because of lack of
transparency and poor communication. The problem might be growing to
something beyond what volunteers can manage and perhaps paid staff support
from the
I believe that partial scholarships to cover airfare but not
lodging/meals/registration should be reinstated to give more opportunities
for people to attend who might be able to cover some but not all of the
costs, and leave the full scholarships to those with the most need. Airfare
is usually the
There may be a rumour circulating among some editors that the same people get
sponsorship every year, but there is also a rumour that there is no point even
applying if you had a grant three years ago. I considered it worth applying for
Mexico as I had been turned down for both Hong Kong and
Stuart Prior, 31/07/2015 13:56:
My understanding (and my hope) is that next year the scholarships will
be even more focused on participation and contribution to the event
itself. So we can further the idea that a scholarship should be about
what you can bring, what you will achieve, and not just
Hi Lane,
(disclosure: I received a scholarship this year, and on multiple occasions
in the past)
Thank you for voicing your concerns. While others can probably respond in
more detail and accuracy, I would also like to respond to some of the
assumptions you're making.
First of all, you state that
I agree. Some stats on the Meta pages per year would be helpful, as well as
a list of grantees and their reports (for those who didn't make a report,
maybe we have other data available on them, like submissions
presentations, or something like that)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 2:51 PM,
On 31 July 2015 at 13:51, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
In these circumstances it would be helpful to have a little information, no
need to have names, but if we could have the number of people who have had
sponsorship once, twice, three times or more in the last six
Praveen,
Whether there was anything personal or confidential in Gerard's private emails
to you is for him to say not for you to decide.
Regards
Jonathan
On 31 Jul 2015, at 05:59, praveenp me.prav...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Osmar Valdebenito,
No offense was intended :-(. For prominent
I just want to know why some users were able to achieve scholarship again
and again while regular Wikimedians being excluded.
And that is EXACTLY what Stuart explained. I understood, unless you didn't!
On Friday 31 July 2015 04:01 PM, Stuart Prior wrote:
Praveen,
I was chair of
I believe that what Praveen may be saying is that he thinks the value that a
repeat scholarship recipient can gain from coming back to wikimania numerous
times is outweighed by the value that someone who has never been to wikimania
but has nevertheless been a very involved wikimedian can gain
Praveen,
With respect, in the email chain with Gerard (which arguably was unfair to
publish without his permission) you have singled out other Wikimedians that
have received scholarships to compare their contributions with your own.
This reads like a concern with your application rather than the
Nicholas,
Yes it's a fair point. I can't speak for previous committees, but I know
this year we did take it into account when reviewing applications.
But in any community there will be a few consistently excellent people that
make a good case to justify support year on year. As the scholarship
Hi Praveen,
I've been a steward, as well as the chair of the FDC for three years, so
you may assume I've been somewhat active in Wikimedia movement. I did not
receive a global scholarship neither (although I did eventually go, as I
got elected to the Board of Trustees).
I think it is clearly an
Hi,
Please don't derail the actual topic of the thread. I really didnt
assume such an interpretation from quoting his words. Whenever I asked
about the issue to anybody, I generally got such a reply, which I want
to avoid here.
If it is need to start a new thread, I will do that. :-)
But
Praveen,
Of course I follow what you are saying. I also agree that now is the time
to have this conversation after Wikimania is ended and before the next
Wikimania scholarships process begins. For the feedback from scholars, see
this link:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Past_Wikimanias
Praveen,
I was chair of the Scholarship Committee for this year.
It's unfortunate that you didn't get a scholarship, however there were many
high quality applications and sometimes the difference between success and
failure is very small, and I feel genuinely bad for any Wikimedian with a
good
Sorry, but when I read No regular Wikimedian get any scholarship, I
stopped reading.
It is not only a lie, but also very unfair to all the extremely great
Wikimedians that attended and made great contributions in Wikimania, and
also the volunteers that have helped now and in the past reviewing and
There are several issues I want to comment:
1-First of all. Do you have permission from Gerard to publish your
conversation? Maybe there is something confidential in it, Did you care to
check?
2- Scholarship is not award or trophy, bear that in mind.
3- People are expected to come here and learn,
Hi,
[ Since my question was repeatedly handled as my desperation of inability
to achieve the scholarship, I had to wait until Wikimania finished. :-) And
also this is not about someone going to Wikimanias again and again, it is
about granting Wikimania scholarships to same persons again and
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