Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Ellie Young]

On Mon, Oct 17, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Thanks Ellie.
>
> On the topic of event safety, I am wondering if there is a standard
> checklist that WMF uses when narrowing potential sites for Wikimanias and
> if you could make that checklist public. Perhaps it is public already but I
> don't know where to find it.
>

​This is what we were using for the past few Wikimanias.It is public.
I reference it in the recent posting as well.  I will be updating this
since we are no longer doing the competitive bidding process but it does
have a lot of information and is pretty accurate.​


https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2016_judging_criteria

Regarding Wikimania goals and strategy, I'd like to suggest that WMF take a
> look at what our friends in WMDE have done with the Wikimedia Conference to
> increase focus on specific topics and to make conference outcomes a bit
> clearer and more measurable.
>

​WMF funds with a grant this conference and works closely with WMDE.
There was a proposal a couple of years ago to have a paid program and
events coordinator who would provide continuity year to year and liaise
with other conferences/groups.  There is also paid meeting planner as well
as staff support from the WMDE itself.

> I also like that WMDE devotes significant staff support to the conference,
> which decreases the burden on volunteers; I would like to see a similar
> shift for Wikimania so the event is less dependent on heroic efforts from
> volunteers. I realize that there is financial cost involved with increased
> staff support for conferences; this is one area in which increased
> expenditure makes sense to me.
>

​We started that in London and Mexico City Wikimania with my position and a
paid local coordinator (Esino Lario was an exception where the local team
received a grant and handled pretty much everything.)  ​


> I look forward to hearing about further developments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Philip Kopetzky]

Did I miss something or why are we now discussing solutions to problems
that we haven't even started to discuss yet? Have we or the "committee"
come up with any ideas on what and who Wikimania should be for before
rushing headlong into planning 2018?

On 18 October 2016 at 00:10, Pine W  wrote:

> Thanks Ellie.
>
> On the topic of event safety, I am wondering if there is a standard
> checklist that WMF uses when narrowing potential sites for Wikimanias and
> if you could make that checklist public. Perhaps it is public already but I
> don't know where to find it.
>
> Regarding Wikimania goals and strategy, I'd like to suggest that WMF take
> a look at what our friends in WMDE have done with the Wikimedia Conference
> to increase focus on specific topics and to make conference outcomes a bit
> clearer and more measurable.
>
> I also like that WMDE devotes significant staff support to the conference,
> which decreases the burden on volunteers; I would like to see a similar
> shift for Wikimania so the event is less dependent on heroic efforts from
> volunteers. I realize that there is financial cost involved with increased
> staff support for conferences; this is one area in which increased
> expenditure makes sense to me.
>
> I look forward to hearing about further developments.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pine
>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Pine W]

Thanks Ellie.

On the topic of event safety, I am wondering if there is a standard
checklist that WMF uses when narrowing potential sites for Wikimanias and
if you could make that checklist public. Perhaps it is public already but I
don't know where to find it.

Regarding Wikimania goals and strategy, I'd like to suggest that WMF take a
look at what our friends in WMDE have done with the Wikimedia Conference to
increase focus on specific topics and to make conference outcomes a bit
clearer and more measurable.

I also like that WMDE devotes significant staff support to the conference,
which decreases the burden on volunteers; I would like to see a similar
shift for Wikimania so the event is less dependent on heroic efforts from
volunteers. I realize that there is financial cost involved with increased
staff support for conferences; this is one area in which increased
expenditure makes sense to me.

I look forward to hearing about further developments.

Thanks,

Pine
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Ellie Young]

Yes we are doing a review and I can vouch that issues like this will always
be a part of the criteria when selecting a venue.  In most of the recent
Wikimanias the selection committee and WMF have included the security of
our LGBT community as one of the criteria when considering bids.

Another critical issue that you mention below  when deciding what to do for
future Wikimanias  is whether the conference in its present form (program,
location, etc.) is serving the community and WMF.   That is a longer
conversation that I hope we can continue to have and make some progress in
the near future.

Ellie




On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Pax,
>
> My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
> that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
> could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
> hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
> about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
> amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
> align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.
>
> Pine
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
>> last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
>> I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
>> Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
>> concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
>> safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
>> those living in the host country.
>>
>> As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
>> places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my
>> daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
>> I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
>> the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
>> planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.
>>
>> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>>
>> [1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-w
>> ikiconference-north-america/
>>
>> [2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/11
>> 14259788621851/
>>
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>>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[cs]

Bangkok is not only an excellent geo location for a conference, the cost of 
living here  in this ultra modern city is only one sixth of that of the Western 
and Westernised world (that will raise a smile for the WMF), and it is, due to 
Thailand's very old and very special 3-gender  culture, possibly the most LGBT 
friendly city in the world.

Kudpung

> On 17Oct, 2016, at 01:04, Amir Ladsgroup  wrote:
> 
> We talked about this in the LGBT meetup in Wikimania several times. As far as 
> I remember it is a huge concern for coordinators and Wikimania committee when 
> considering a bid for Wikimania. IIRC, there are several examples that 
> situation of LGBT laws was a reason to reject a bid.
> 
> So I assure you Wikimania committee is aware of these issues and keeps this 
> in their mind when deciding on bids. (I must note I'm not in these 
> committees. I talked about it with them before as a member of Wikimedia LGBT)
> 
> I'm really saddened by the stupid laws made by ignorance of people. Let's 
> laugh at it and then educate them: 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvCh3EQv1Q 
>  :)
> 
> Best
> 
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:57 PM Pine W  > wrote:
> Hi Pax,
> 
> My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If 
> that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location could 
> be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the hope that 
> she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking about 
> Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant amounts of 
> time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to align Wikimania 
> with WMF and community strategic goals.
> 
> 

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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Amir Ladsgroup]

We talked about this in the LGBT meetup in Wikimania several times. As far
as I remember it is a huge concern for coordinators and Wikimania committee
when considering a bid for Wikimania. IIRC, there are several examples that
situation of LGBT laws was a reason to reject a bid.

So I assure you Wikimania committee is aware of these issues and keeps this
in their mind when deciding on bids. (I must note I'm not in these
committees. I talked about it with them before as a member of Wikimedia
LGBT)

I'm really saddened by the stupid laws made by ignorance of people. Let's
laugh at it and then educate them:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIvCh3EQv1Q :)

Best

On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 8:57 PM Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Pax,
>
> My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
> that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
> could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
> hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
> about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
> amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
> align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.
>
> Pine
>
> On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
> last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
> I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
> Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
> concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
> safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
> those living in the host country.
>
> As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
> places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my
> daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
> I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
> the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
> planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.
>
> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>
> [1]
> http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-wikiconference-north-america/
>
> [2]
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/1114259788621851/
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Wikimania-l] [Wikimedia-l] LGBT+ safety considerations for conference venues

[Pine W]

Hi Pax,

My understanding is that WMF is doing a strategic review of Wikimania. If
that is correct, considerations like the ones you raise about location
could be included in the scope of that review. I'm pinging Ellie with the
hope that she can provide information about the status of WMF's thinking
about Wikimania, perhaps in a new thread. Wikimania involves significant
amounts of time and money, and I am hoping that WMF will develop ways to
align Wikimania with WMF and community strategic goals.

Pine

On Oct 16, 2016 08:10, "Pax Ahimsa Gethen" 
wrote:

> Hello all. I had a positive experience at WikiConference North America
> last weekend, where I gave a talk on transgender issues and Wikipedia.[1]
> I'm posting because there's an active discussion in Wikipedia Weekly on
> Facebook about choosing a host country for Wikimania 2018.[2] I am
> concerned that some of the suggestions are not taking into account the
> safety of LGBT+ people; not just those attending the conference, but also
> those living in the host country.
>
> As a queer trans atheist in a same-sex marriage, there are a number of
> places where I am considered a criminal for just existing or going about my
> daily routine. This applies to some parts of the U.S. as well, by the way;
> I won't be visiting North Carolina as long as it's illegal for me to use
> the men's restroom there. Please keep these considerations in mind when
> planning meetups and conferences. Thank you.
>
> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>
> [1] http://funcrunch.org/blog/2016/10/12/making-connections-at-
> wikiconference-north-america/
>
> [2] https://www.facebook.com/groups/wikipediaweekly/permalink/
> 1114259788621851/
>
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>
>
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