+1
I also agree with Craig too, and let me point out the Christians in
the Eastern tradition (including Orthodox, Coptic and Assyrians) it's
not enough to avoid meat on Friday, Wednesday is still a day for
fasting, and rules are stricter than the one Western brethren have
today. See
I just wanted to clarify something here about the Berlin meeting, because I
feel my initial email may have came across as a little harsh. My
understanding was that a lot of restrictions were put forward by the venue
itself, rather than the chapter. The meetings outside the venue had beer
and
The problem with what you're proposing is that everyone has something they
don't want to see, and sooner or later you'll annoy someone by omitting
something they need. Case in point: the recent Chapters conference in
Berlin was vegan food only, which clashed with my cultural requirement to
have
I have a somewhat different take on this. There's no reason to annoy
anyone if people were not so inclined to be so outspokenly annoyed (and
Wikimedians are world champions in this sport of being annoyed).
For example, observant Jews who eat kosher know full well that expecting
kosher food in an
I must agree with Craig here: that the chapters conference served only vegan
food this year wasn't a popular decision among southeast Asian delegates
either. You can't please everyone, and it is important to know whom to
please. Avoiding Sabbath and Ramadan is probably a good culturally aware
idea
נא להסיר את כתובתי מרשימת מייל זו מיידית.
תודה ושבת שלום.
פרץ. rotk...@gmail.com
2011/7/21 Deryck Chan deryckc...@gmail.com
I must agree with Craig here: that the chapters conference served only
vegan food this year wasn't a popular decision among southeast Asian
delegates either. You can't
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:39:59PM +0300, Harel Cain wrote:
I think those numbers will be teaching, and will put this discussion in the
true perspective it deserves.
Speaking of putting things in perspective, I've been told off-channel
that there have been several previous debates on this
Just for the record, in WM08,
there were around 10 people from Bahrain, UAE, Jordan, Syria, Alegria and a
speaker from Lebanon in addition to 3 Israelis... I don't think that was bad
for a usually under-represented region.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:17 AM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
While we're discussing cultural and religious difficulties, may I add the
somewhat overlooked fact that the third day of the main conference falls on
Saturday, the Jewish Shabbat, in which observant Jews are strongly
restricted in everything they do and the vast majority of them would not
even
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Manuel Schneider
manuel.schnei...@wikimedia.ch wrote:
We discussed that last year and someone came up with a sensible remark:
If you are travelling during Ramadan, you are excempted from the fast.
It should also be noted that Wikimania 2009 also took place
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:21 PM, CasteloBranco
michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote:
Em 20/07/2011 14:38, Thomas Dalton escreveu:
I agree, avoiding Ramadan isn't really feasible. Wikimania is always
held in the summer, and I don't think we should change that.
In the south hemisphere, the
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 8:52 PM, CasteloBranco
michelcastelobra...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, James, you're probably right. It was a joke, of course, but also a
kind of invite to a reflexion.
If we want to improve the participation of people from Middle East,
Africa, India, Latin America, it
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 07:55:51PM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote:
place_of_residence=
(world AND NOT middle_east)
OR(israel AND NOT (west_bank OR gaza))
For people who have trouble deciphering SQL-ish language
(
small letters = sets
AND = Intersection
OR = Union
AND NOT=Intersection
)
As to whether this is correct or not, we'll know in a couple of weeks. I
think it's not 100% correct (read my previous mails, and some things still
brewing too), and I think it's mainly unfair to us organizers.
You could have drawn the same drawing for previous years and the Middle East
part
In fact, it would be really interesting to see just how many people from the
Arab Middle East attended any previous Wikimania. For 2008, please check how
many attendees came from countries that were not Egypt.
I attended Wikimania in 2007 (Taipei) and 2010 (Gdansk) and I recall just a
handful of
It's an e-mail, not a paper letter, so the speed is the same. I'm not sure
Mr. Nusseibeh is the kind of person you can really simply call up on the
phone either.
Harel
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 18:50, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:
Given the fact that we're less than a month away,
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 09:10, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Following up on my latest mail, I'm glad to let you know that we drafted a
letter to Sari Nusseibeh and after final proofreading we hope to send it
out, hopefully today. I'll let you know if something comes out of this.
Following up on my latest mail, I'm glad to let you know that we drafted a
letter to Sari Nusseibeh and after final proofreading we hope to send it
out, hopefully today. I'll let you know if something comes out of this.
Harel Cain
Wikimania 2011 local team
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 08:41, Harel
Given the fact that we're less than a month away, and we're late enough if
not too late, wouldn't a phone call be faster than a letter?
On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Harel Cain harel.c...@gmail.com wrote:
Following up on my latest mail, I'm glad to let you know that we drafted a
letter to
Any updates on this? did you guys manage to contact him?
On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 12:11 AM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.comwrote:
This is a contact I sent to this list almost a year ago. When I was asked
to reach out to anyone and see if there is someone interested in
coordinating with the
I seem to be missing the point here.
I thought you guys were going to contact him in his capacity as the dean of
the Al-Quds university, exploring how to cooperate with him on spreading the
news about Wikimania among students and helping those who want to attend.
Something which you guys have
Harel, this Wikimania is anyway highly influenced by politics, no
matter what we want; which includes this thread. If Sari Nusseibeh is
willing to help, you should take that help. I am sure that he is a
reasonable person, who would try to avoid making possible problems to
us.
Small
Again, I'm not sure everyone out there in the world is aware of and familiar
with all the political intricacies of the local situation between Israelis
and Palestinians and can judge what could easily workout and what would not.
Specifically, as I wrote, Sari Nusseibeh was both a kind of
This is a contact I sent to this list almost a year ago. When I was asked to
reach out to anyone and see if there is someone interested in coordinating
with the WM11 team. I was told by my Palestinian-American friends that this
university and its dean have campuses in East Jerusalem and the WB,
I think we need to be very specific when we talk about advice to
Wikimedians in Arab countries re going to Haifa. Encouraging
Wikimedians who live in countries where it would be illegal to visit
Israel to break the laws of the country they live in and attend such a
public event strikes me as
On 07/06/2011 11:13 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote:
Encouraging Wikimedians who live in countries where it would be
illegal to visit Israel to break the laws of the country they live in
and attend such a public event strikes me as inappropriate and
unethical (lobbying to change a law is something
Absolutely if someone does come from a country that has laws against
their attending then we should do our best to keep them safe. I hope
that my concerns turn out to be overcautious, but I do worry that we
have some young, enthusiastic and occasionally naive editors, and we
could have a fellow
Visiting Israel is against the law in several Islamic countries, this
is covered in
http://wikimania2011.wikimedia.org/wiki/Visas#Visas_for_Middle_Eastern_Countries_.28other_than_Egypt_and_Jordan.29
And was discussed earlier this year at
On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
The problem is that BDS (and others?) are explicitly acting against
wikimania. I'd love to hear more reports
on this. I think having a wikimania in haifa is actually going
to be beneficial to all parties. :-)
Wikimania has been advertised in so many different ways till now, and for so
long, that I find it a little weird to actively pursue any group of
Wikipedians in person to attend the conference. Any reasonably active
Wikipedian will have known by now that it's taking place in August in Haifa.
The
I personally contacted people from the Palestinian community of Israel and
spread the word in the meetings I had with Palestinians from the West Bank.
People showed some interest, some of them were not too acquainted with
Wikipedia and asked questions, but apparently it didn't bring them
Hello Thomas,
In terms of accessibility, Israel is much more accessible to Palestinians and
Jordanians than any other location suggested for Wikimania 2011.
It is even more accessible to them than Alexandria, Egypt, the venue of
Wikimania 2008, and I say it after I checked this matter with
Dear Thomas,
I think everyone is disappointed about a lower than hoped for attendance from
people with these cultural backgrounds but the tone in your email is uncalled
for. I am not sure what you hope to achieve by this tone or the implication.
I have had the good fortune to be able to attend
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 12:44:22PM -0400, dror1...@icqmail.com wrote:
It is important to note that we encountered this year unprecedented
attempts to discourage people, particularly Arab people, from coming
to the event. I don't blame anyone, and I respect the freedom of
speech of
2011/6/29 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com:
I don't have precise measurements of popularity of Palestinians'
Wikipedia participation. It's not zero - there is a considerable
number of user pages in the Arab Wikipedia with userboxes that say
this user lives in Israel or this user lives in
Hello,
Just to clarify a few points -
1. The term Palestinian-Arabs refers to people who identify themselves as part
of the Palestinian People, but they hold various nationalities. Many of them
are Israeli citizens, so they can arrive at Haifa just as any other Israeli
(and like other
I suspect that at present Wikimedians in Gaza would have difficulty
attending an event anywhere outside the Gaza strip - whether it was in
Israel or not. The censorship article says that explicit sexual
content is filtered out in Gaza, but it doesn't say whether that means
just a minority of
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:46:38PM +0300, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
2011/6/28 Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl
Is there anyone who currently wants to come to wikimania, but definitely
won't be able
to come due to issues with permit/visa?
Except doing our best to help the Palestinians who
From the brighter side: it is confirmed that no Palestinian will have
problems with visa.
On Jun 28, 2011 10:05 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 10:46:38PM +0300, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
2011/6/28 Kim Bruning kim@brunin...
Except doing our best to help the
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I don't recall any Arabic participants in Boston, in Taiwan either
(they decided not to show from their own reason), many in Alexandria
but not so many from outside of Egypt, no Palestinians but two
Israelis, one Syrian and one Irani (our steward) .. iirc there
were some Jordanian
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