Re: [Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every year

general list (open subscription) Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every year Greetings, Thanks for that thoughtful comment, User:Viswaprabha. However, while it's a good idea to discontinue this thread, I don't think new thread on Wikimania scholarship

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> language. >> >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Isaac ( >> *who has never received a scholarship or apply for one this year) * >> >> >> >> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 6:12 AM, Peter Southwood < >> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net

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s. >> >> P >> >> >> >> *From:* Wikimania-l [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Kerry Raymond >> *Sent:* Monday, 22 May 2017 4:57 AM >> *To:* 'Wikimania general list (open subscription)' >> *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Granti

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boun...@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org>] *On Behalf Of *Kerry Raymond *Sent:* Monday, 22 May 2017 4:57 AM *To:* 'Wikimania general list (open subscription)' *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every year

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ter Southwood < > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >> Fair comment, and actionable suggestions. >> >> P >> >> >> >> *From:* Wikimania-l [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Kerry Raymond >> *Sent:* Mo

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-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On > Behalf Of *Kerry Raymond > *Sent:* Monday, 22 May 2017 4:57 AM > *To:* 'Wikimania general list (open subscription)' > *Subject:* Re: [Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every > year > > > > This observation has been made

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Fair comment, and actionable suggestions. P From: Wikimania-l [mailto:wikimania-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Kerry Raymond Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 4:57 AM To: 'Wikimania general list (open subscription)' Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every

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​English isnt everyone first language if there had there been no name mentioned the question would have been dismissed as nonsense. Tto quote the original email "*This is not personal, I am just using personalities and scholarships familiar to me" *this made it clear that it was not directed at

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I'm sorry, Pine, but I see no way to have a "civil discussion" when the initiator makes it about one single other person. If the originator, after having been redirected, had stuck to general comments instead of continuing to complain about a single user receiving multiple scholarships, I'd have

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On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 5:22 PM, Risker wrote: > > > On 21 May 2017 at 20:12, Pine W wrote: > >> >> On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Risker wrote: >> >>> I'm sorry, Pinebut no. It's naming and shaming. If Praveen had >>>

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Now that is a great contribution! Thanks, Kerry On 22 May 2017 at 12:57, Kerry Raymond wrote: > This observation has been made by a few people (some of them involved in > the scholarship decision-making process) is that past recipients often > continue to

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This observation has been made by a few people (some of them involved in the scholarship decision-making process) is that past recipients often continue to out-perform others in terms of the criteria in subsequent years. What hasn’t been commented on is why this is so? If we believe that an

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​Global North/Global South is an unrealistic fallacy ​creates a poor subdivision of resources it'd be better to see support for emerging and isolated communities, given that including 2017 this will be the 4th consecutive Wikimania in North America or Europe Yes the question could have been

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On 21 May 2017 at 20:12, Pine W wrote: > > On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Risker wrote: > >> I'm sorry, Pinebut no. It's naming and shaming. If Praveen had >> wanted to highlight the frequency of Wikimedians being granted Wikimania >>

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On Sun, May 21, 2017 at 3:34 PM, Risker wrote: > I'm sorry, Pinebut no. It's naming and shaming. If Praveen had > wanted to highlight the frequency of Wikimedians being granted Wikimania > scholarsips, they could have done exactly what Mike Peel did - compare the >

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I'm sorry, Pinebut no. It's naming and shaming. If Praveen had wanted to highlight the frequency of Wikimedians being granted Wikimania scholarsips, they could have done exactly what Mike Peel did - compare the relevant lists and highlight the frequency of users receiving one, two or three

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Perhaps I have overlooked something, but it seems to me that what has been offered is a specific example, which I would distinguish from "being named and shamed" in the sense that the example is used to illustrate a potential problem -- in this case with the system rather than with an individual,

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I think it’s most inappropriate that people are being named and shamed. If this was happening on-Wiki there would be serious issues.Having been on the scholarships selection committee twice, I can confirm that selecting candidates is an exceptionally difficult task. No decision is made by  an

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On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 7:20 PM, Adrian Raddatz wrote: > We're concerned with him calling out one person in particular, not with > the general topic. I've also specifically pointed out how this year's > committee has already taken action to fix this problem, or at least

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We're concerned with him calling out one person in particular, not with the general topic. I've also specifically pointed out how this year's committee has already taken action to fix this problem, or at least create a more balanced approach to awarding them. Has there been any actual discussion

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I'm pretty surprised at the number of censors in this thread. It seems more people are interested in telling Praveen to be quiet than in discussing the facially legitimate questions he has raised. I'm sure everyone has great advice - ask passive questions, compliment the scholarship committee,

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On Saturday 20 May 2017 10:24 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote: On 20 May 2017 at 17:39, praveenp > wrote: I was wrong that [redacted] get scholarship since last decade You have already been told "It would be incredibly inappropriate to

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One of my persistent suggestions to this dilemma has always been to involve some kind of community endorsement into the selection process. Crude Methodology: All applicants from the particular communit(y/ies) may enlist themselves at their community village pump. All active users in that / those

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(Also, one big way to increase scholarship availability is to raise money for scholarships from outside donors -- every Wikimania could use more people to help with fundraising and sponsorship efforts, both locally and around the globe. We've had luck in the past with raising special scholarship

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Over the years, people have gotten funded to go to Wikimania in the following ways: - by the WMF, as staff or board - by the WMF, as scholarship recipients - by various chapter grant programs - by various private special grant programs for scholarships, often administered by chapters or the WMF -

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Thanks for the numbers Mike! Do you have a statistic how many people were paid to attend by other means? How many people did apply and how many edits did they make? Because Risker seems to underestimate the effect of a wikimania to rather new editors. And overestimate the effect on somebody going

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On 20 May 2017 at 17:39, praveenp wrote: > I was wrong that [redacted] get scholarship since last decade > You have already been told "It would be incredibly inappropriate to discuss a specific person's eligibility in public like this", but persist in doing so. Without

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I was wrong that viswaprabha get scholarship since last decade, I didn't check the statement personally. But he got 4 scholarship (including this time) since 2012. Someone else doubted above in this thread that this might be a case of 1 edits vs 300 edits disproportion issue, edit counters

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Dear All, I am not sure if I should respond to this thread. However, it may be important for me to come forward and mention the following points for clarity: 1. I have previously attended 2012, 2014 and 2015 Wikimanias (Three in total). I believe I have earnestly deserved those scholarships due

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To put this into perspective with some numbers: in 2014-17, out of 378 people awarded scholarships, 309 people have been awarded one scholarship, 55 have been awarded two, 14 have been awarded three, and 0 have been awarded four. Caveat that this is solely from the WMF lists on meta, so isn't

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So, it is easy to escape an issue by stamping it as a personal desperation. People do not want to be known as desperate, jealous or failure. This type of stamping hold back most people from challenging the system. On 20 May 2017 11:06 am, "Adrian Raddatz" wrote: There is no

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> On 20 May 2017, at 07:36, Adrian Raddatz wrote: > > There is no manipulation. The idea that someone could have befriended all of > their reviewers every year for a decade is quite silly. I'm sorry that you > didn't get a scholarship this year, but at this point there is

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There is no manipulation. The idea that someone could have befriended all of their reviewers every year for a decade is quite silly. I'm sorry that you didn't get a scholarship this year, but at this point there is not a useful conversation being had here. If you think there is a problem,

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Gnangarra, you missed some possible reasons for repeated scholarships: - the successful repeat applicants are performing at a higher standard than others, year after year (I have seen people who make maybe 300 edits in a year complain that they weren't selected over someone who's made

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I don’t believe it is a to inform people that their scholarship application has passed Phase 1. It raises false hopes and gets some people working hard to develop a presentation or workshop they intended to make and making preliminary tentative arrangements to comply with their domestic and

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If there is a general opinion based on facts that the some individuals are the recipients of a regular scholarship, then that is something that needs to be discussed. Unfortunately to prove the hypothesis that this is happening there does need to be some presentation of what the basis for that

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The same questions every year :) Regards, Zana 2017-05-19 22:25 GMT+02:00 Samat : > On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:23 PM, LFaraone wrote: > >> It would be incredibly inappropriate to discuss a specific person's >> eligibility in public like this. >> >> Simply

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On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 10:23 PM, LFaraone wrote: > It would be incredibly inappropriate to discuss a specific person's > eligibility in public like this. > > Simply put: people who get scholarships do so according to the published > selection criteria. People who do not, did

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It would be incredibly inappropriate to discuss a specific person's eligibility in public like this. Simply put: people who get scholarships do so according to the published selection criteria. People who do not, did not qualify. In my opinion, sending emails like this one would certainly

[Wikimania-l] Granting Scholarship to same persons every year

Hi, I have sent a similar email on 2015 [1] , but I haven't got a clear answer there yet. I simply asked why certain people get Wikimania Scholarship each year, while other applicants rejected repeatedly. I have used a