Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:48 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: In short: I think people like Max and Roger, who make public declarations about their identities and conflicts of interest, are not the ones who scare me. We can always find those people and start a conversation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 19:39:52 -0600 (MDT), Fred Bauder wrote: Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning Promoting of Gibraltar, and warring over it, is not a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: In the past, those conversations were short, and ended in a permaban (cf. Jimbo's past statements about blocking anyone offering commercial editing, cf. Kohs). Today, the people concerned are chapter trustees and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] commons promotion

2012-09-19 Thread Andrew Gray
Yes, this is definitely an issue. My recollection was that the unwanted content issue was seen as secondary to the debates about placement, but it's many years ago ;-) Agree entirely on testing and having a sense of the cost-benefit ratio. One feature of the old system was that it predominantly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:18 AM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: In the past, those conversations were short, and ended in a permaban (cf. Jimbo's past statements about blocking anyone offering

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Steven, We know people have been beating a door to Roger's path ever since Monmouthpedia; ... or even a path to Roger's door :)) (Sorry, tired.) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: We know people have been beating a door to Roger's path ever since Monmouthpedia; there have been enquiries from all over the world from towns wanting to be the next Monmouth. Correction: to *everyone's* door. Really, anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] commons promotion

2012-09-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Andrew Gray, 19/09/2012 10:35: Yes, this is definitely an issue. My recollection was that the unwanted content issue was seen as secondary to the debates about placement, but it's many years ago ;-) Agree entirely on testing and having a sense of the cost-benefit ratio. One feature of the old

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:46 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide which town goes forward, and whichever town goes forward pays him a consultancy fee. This, OTOH, is spurious made-up bullshit. Look, David, if a dozen towns express an interest in his services, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide which town goes forward, and whichever town goes forward pays him a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 19 September 2012 12:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 12:08, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 10:24, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: He gets to decide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Kim Bruning
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? sincerely, Kim Bruning ___ Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 15:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging about us. Violet Blue is a known quantity to you? Internet-famous

[Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread Andrew Gray
On 17 September 2012 19:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Naturally every link wants to escape from the toolbox, if it's collapsed :-) They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread David Gerard
On 19 September 2012 17:27, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote: On 17 September 2012 19:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: On 17 September 2012 18:03, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: They were designed to be used, after all. I also haven't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread Andrew Gray
NSince sending that last email, I've been thinking about why the toolboxes are effectively hidden. (I don't disagree they are - to a new user, having a link in a collapsed toolbox is functionally equivalent to it not existing) One possible problem is that the collapsed toolbox has, visibly, very

[Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Florence Devouard
Hello Is there a place (I looked on meta and saw nothing) where the situation with regards to paid editing or more generally the practices toward declaration of conflict of interest in all linguistic versions of Wikipedia summarized ? For example, I more or less know that the English

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Steven Walling
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello Is there a place (I looked on meta and saw nothing) where the situation with regards to paid editing or more generally the practices toward declaration of conflict of interest in all linguistic versions of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Nathan
The concerns over Bamkin's involvement in WM-UK and GibraltarpediA seem a little overwrought, but the situation isn't helped by his minimalist approach to public communication - prompted perhaps in part by the accusatory, judgmental tone of his UK questioners. Still, it's too bad he's not more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread Erik Moeller
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk wrote: I believe part of the problem is that Roger may not be in the UK - he may well be in a hotel in Gibraltar with limited and expensive internet access. It's not yet been 48 hours since this all broke - give

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Risker
On 19 September 2012 13:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Is there a place (I looked on meta and saw nothing) where the situation with regards to paid editing or more generally the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
it.wiki is extremely strict as regards usernames which contain or equal the names of entities or internet domains (blocked on sight); editing articles about yourself is strongly discouraged but not forbidden; COI is a tough matter and there are no clear rules. Discussions on similar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

2012-09-19 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 8:50 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 15:36, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 05:19:19PM -0700, George Herbert wrote: I'm curious as to the internal view of the details, but... this is Violet Blue blogging

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-09-19 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: But that is not all. The most important issue is extremism. According to the bill, the materials, that are banned for distribution in Russia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] the hidden toolbox

2012-09-19 Thread JP Béland
2012/9/19 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com David Gerard wrote: That there was a plausible reason to hide functionality doesn't mean it actually works out to be a good idea, and it arguably not working out to be one is the point of this thread. It turns out that if you obscure functionality,

[Wikimedia-l] Travel Project - Next Steps

2012-09-19 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, As recently announced [1], WMF will move forward in creating a Wikimedia travel project based on community request and support. We’re currently in discussions with the Wikivoyage community, who’ve expressed interest in joining Wikimedia’s project family as part of this launch. We’re

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-09-19 Thread Fred Bauder
Well, the new law is now being considered for application to block YouTube in Russia. Make of that, what you will. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19648808 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the Prophet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid editing language wide

2012-09-19 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 19 September 2012 13:17, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Conflict_of_interest_editing for a placeholder. Just for the record, there's a difference between paid editing