On Jul 30, 2013 3:49 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 07/29/2013 07:00 PM, David Gerard wrote:
Are there any wikitext constructions that are actually going to be
deprecated?
I'm not privy to the architecture decisions, but I'm pretty sure that
the absolute worst
Dear all,
Risker has prepared a detailed report of the 2013 elections outlining
several of the challenges that the Elections Committee faced this year.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_2013/Post_mortem/Report_from_Risker#Discussion_6
My report as board liaison is
On 30 July 2013 07:39, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
I can dream up horrors you can't even imagine. Consider a template
consisting if two single quotes. For a demonstration, see
http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Martijn_Hoekstra/Lovecraftian_horror2
D-:
That's like a
Beside being way more effort than it is worth, what is particularly
Lovecraftian about that?
Cheers,
Peter
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On Jul 30, 2013 4:58 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 07/29/2013 10:02 PM, Rschen7754 wrote:
If I'm reading this right, it *would* cause massive problems on the
English Wikipedia
Oh, it *would* if the syntax was just disabled outright!
Now, if it were me that was in charge
Hi Lodewijk,
I like the idea of having more opportunities to talk and to try out
different approaches.
That was the reason for Patricio and me to offer a Chapters Lunch Meeting
on Sunday, where we want to talk about the role of Chapters Selected Board
members, expectations, limitations, and the
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 9:36 AM, Peter Southwood
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net wrote:
Beside being way more effort than it is worth, what is particularly
Lovecraftian about that?
Cheers,
Peter
What's bad about it, is that the meaning of the transcluded content changes
radically on the
On Jul 29, 2013, at 11:39 PM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
I can dream up horrors you can't even imagine. Consider a template
consisting if two single quotes. For a demonstration, see
http://en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Martijn_Hoekstra/Lovecraftian_horror2
Iä!
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
4. Block the creation of new templates with deprecated syntax. Also block
saving templates that were free of deprecated syntax would an edit
introduce deprecated syntax.
snip
Strictly speaking this is
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:06 AM, Martijn Hoekstra
martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
4. Block the creation of new templates with deprecated syntax. Also block
saving templates that were free of deprecated syntax
When discussing issues like this. One should keep in mind that we
don't really want to be in the business of solving hard problems
simply by pushing the difficulties onto other people. Wikitext has
some characteristics that make parsing it hard (some might say
ridiculous). Changing wikitext
On 30 July 2013 09:06, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
6. Announce a date from where on saving a page with a transcluded legacy
template will be blocked. Expect public outcry.
An important consideration that all developers must keep in mind is that
though the current syntax
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:
When discussing issues like this. One should keep in mind that we
don't really want to be in the business of solving hard problems
simply by pushing the difficulties onto other people. Wikitext has
some characteristics
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 09:06, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
6. Announce a date from where on saving a page with a transcluded legacy
template will be blocked. Expect public outcry.
An important
If I was recruiting colonists for an interstellar colonization mission,
he would likely be in the top 100
Thanks James - If I ever publish a book, I'm putting that quote on the
back!
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 8:38 PM, James Salsman jsals...@gmail.com wrote:
I know I've been critical of Zack
Dear all,
Wikimedia Italia has been in touch for some time with some
representatives of the Italian community of OpenStreetMap. The OSM
community in Italy is very numerous (see this data[1] for a rough
figure) and has a long history, so they were wondering since some time
to create a local
On 30 July 2013 04:36, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:01 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 09:06, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:
6. Announce a date from where on saving a page with a transcluded
It's interesting how an essentially social question (being welcoming to new
people by a Visual editor) turns quickly into a debate on software.
Ziko
Ziko van Dijk
voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
deputy
On 30 July 2013 15:44, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
It's interesting how an essentially social question (being welcoming to new
people by a Visual editor) turns quickly into a debate on software.
.nl has yet to experience the software in question, and the social
issues
On 30 July 2013 08:02, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 15:44, Ziko van Dijk vand...@wmnederland.nl wrote:
It's interesting how an essentially social question (being welcoming to
new
people by a Visual editor) turns quickly into a debate on software.
.nl has yet to
Hey Tomasz,
this is a good way to start a new thread here, so let me respond.
We've done the following with regard to the VE beta so far:
- We've overall slowed down the beta rollout schedule;
- We've excluded nlwiki from the phase 2 beta rollout;
- We've switched dewiki back to opt-in;
- We've
On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:18 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 07/29/2013 11:10 PM, Risker wrote:
which are used daily on hundreds of pages,
and they serve a very important function.
Yeah, but they are duct tape over weaknesses/flaws in wikimarkup, not a
valuable feature.
On 30 July 2013 17:03, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
If the overwhelming community sentiment
is that the cost of continuous improvement with a large scale user
base is larger than the benefit (as it was on dewiki), we'll switch
back (or to a compromise), and use a more rigid set of
On 30 July 2013 14:13, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 17:03, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote:
If the overwhelming community sentiment
is that the cost of continuous improvement with a large scale user
base is larger than the benefit (as it was on dewiki), we'll
Hi Robert,
This is a great question. Would you mind adding it to the wiki so we don't
lose track of it?
Short answer, not speaking for the board, bearing in mind that I missed the
past year of board discussions:
The board doesn't chose what technology to use but we do have end goals in
mind:
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm
asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a
subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp
hasn't.)
On 7/30/13 6:40 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
Templates such as {{hat}} and {{hab}} don't exist so much because of
weaknesses in wikimarkup as because passing the content as a parameter
would rapidly exceed the Template argument size limit, and possibly
other parser limits. Any solution to
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm
asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a
subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp
hasn't.)
On 30 July 2013 13:58, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote:
On 7/30/13 6:40 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
Templates such as {{hat}} and {{hab}} don't exist so much because of
weaknesses in wikimarkup as because passing the content as a parameter
would rapidly exceed the Template argument size
On 30 July 2013 21:47, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
Why should a consensus of any arbitrary number of power editors be allowed
to define the defaults for all editors, including anonymous and
OK - so why were those people listened to on de:wp? What happened
there that they
Dear Steven, I think I understand what you mean, and I am concerned about a
certain conservatism among the editors, too. Some editors complain all the
time anyway. But when 87% reject such a software feature I suppose they
cannot be all wrong (by the way, I am one of this huge majority). There are
On 30 July 2013 22:27, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 July 2013 21:47, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote:
Why should a consensus of any arbitrary number of power editors be allowed
to define the defaults for all editors, including anonymous and
OK - so why were those
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:27 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
OK - so why were those people listened to on de:wp? What happened
there that they convinced you?
If you're replying to me... this is why I said I wasn't speaking for the VE
team. I didn't make that call. :)
Steven
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:23 PM, James Forrester
jforres...@wikimedia.org wrote:
That'd be great, yes (and really easy to do using Parsoid's DOM) - we
could do annotations, comments, content collapsing, etc. - but I can't see
how it would work with wikitext in a way that would leave it
It is absolutely true that the power users can't directly speak for
the new users or anons.
That said, it would be unusual (though not impossible) if 85% of one
group held an opinion without a large fraction of other related
communities also sharing that view. If the WMF or someone else wants
to
Thankfully, this change was thought to be temporary.
I wonder though how many fundamental violations is removing such an important
feature without warning community. As mentioned on Erik's comment above, that
was suddenly changed without any warning and preparation. Not providing proper
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 1:24 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Robert,
This is a great question. Would you mind adding it to the wiki so we don't
lose track of it?
snip
I don't mind adding it, but I'm not sure where you want it to go?
Also, should I copy your reply, too?
On 07/12/2013 04:18 AM, Eddy Paine wrote:
Dan, A placeholder for people without pictures shouldn't be a
problem. Thats common use. And they are all the same so thats a OK
thing. The picture of Rory is a picture of Rory. It even says its a
mascot and I agree with Erik we need Tux for
Hi folks!
We're going to have an open Wiki Project Med Foundation (WPMEDF) meeting in
Hong Kong over lunch to discuss activities, next steps, and just to see
each other in person. WPMEDF works on global medical outreach through
Wikipedia. Anyone who's interested in medicine, medical education,
On 7/30/13 11:23 PM, James Forrester wrote:
On 30 July 2013 13:58, Mark delir...@hackish.org wrote:
On 7/30/13 6:40 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote:
From an editing perspective, it seems what's wanted here is a way to mark
regions of text, and then to specify what processing is done on this
Hi guys,
The annual Wikimedia Asia meetup will take place during Wikimania 2013 in Hong
Kong! While there's no definite time yet, we will definitely set off a lunch
day for our meeting. We have a lot of things to discuss, so I hope you guys
can come in! :)
For more information (and to sign
On 07/30/2013 05:23 PM, James Forrester wrote:
That'd be great, yes (and really easy to do using Parsoid's DOM) - we
could do annotations, comments, content collapsing, etc. - but I can't see
how it would work with wikitext in a way that would leave it
sanely-editable for users. I'm not sure
On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:13 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
de:wp convinced you. What would it take to convince you on en:wp? (I'm
asking for a clear objective criterion here. If you can only offer a
subjective one, please explain how de:wp convinced you when en:wp
hasn't.)
Hey
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