[Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Itzik Edri
The story continues. WMIL uploaded a letter from the Ministry of Justice, addressed to the Commons Community, which confirm that the government don't have interest on this photos. And not surprising, he was deleted from Commoms by the same person who deleted all the photos so far:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Jane Darnell
Well I am not an admin, but as on all other projects, you must play by the rules. I noticed the deletion notice for your letter claimed it was a derivative work, implying that the file was uploaded as artwork. It either included a logo letterhead that has not previously been uploaded (see [1]) or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread geni
On 22 June 2014 08:30, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: The story continues. WMIL uploaded a letter from the Ministry of Justice, addressed to the Commons Community, which confirm that the government don't have interest on this photos No it doesn't. It simply restates how the law works

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Rethinking Commons paradigms with Wikidata // was The tragedy of Commons

2014-06-22 Thread David Cuenca
An example of a crowd-sourced tagger: http://tagger.thepcf.org.uk/tutorial/ Something similar could be thought for Commons if the property depicts were available. On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 7:48 PM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: Which btw is open source

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Craig Franklin
Pardon me if this has already been covered, but as I understand it the problem is not the legal status of the files in Israel, the problem is with the legal status of the files in the United States, where the Israeli Government may still have some copyright protections. So while the contents of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Andre Engels
So you want them to have a letter You are allowed to use these images that you are allowed to use but if the letter says that the reason that they're allowed to use it is that they are allowed to use it, it is not valid. Shouldn't we be welcoming free content rather than inventing far out reasons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
It is a bit crazy :-) The use to be copyright holder of these files is Israeli goverment. But according to the goverment it does not claim any copyrights as it clearly stated that the these files are not copyrightable, and it is no longer copyright holder. One can have an assumption that next

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Russavia
Craig, et al On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Pardon me if this has already been covered, but as I understand it the problem is not the legal status of the files in Israel, the problem is with the legal status of the files in the United States,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Russavia
Itzik On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Itzik Edri it...@infra.co.il wrote: The story continues. WMIL uploaded a letter from the Ministry of Justice, addressed to the Commons Community, which confirm that the government don't have interest on this photos. And not surprising, he was deleted

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Lodewijk
I'm uncertain why CC-0 would be more beneficial than a statement that the government believes the photos to be in the public domain. The main difference I see is that a release is active, which might be out of the power of the civil servant, the statement is a matter of fact and thus passive.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Craig Franklin
Russavia, I am aware that that is the issue (and I was talking about the original problem images, not this letter). I'm a bit confused though about the parody/satire angle, my understanding is that a CC licence does not extinguish things such as moral rights that are not related to copyright.

[Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Richard Ames
Is there a listing of the volunteer positions which work for the Wikimedia Foundation? I can think of several areas people volunteer in: system operators, software development, public relations, correspondence management (OTRS), list moderation, event management, conflict resolution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread
On 22 June 2014 12:08, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: ... parody/satire angle, my understanding is that a CC licence does not extinguish things such as moral rights that are not related to copyright. This is fundamentally misleading. Please refer to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Richard Ames
I agree they are but I'm interested in other volunteers who may or may not be editors.  Thanks, Richard Original message From: Dirk Franke dirk.fra...@wikimedia.de Date: 22/06/2014 21:21 (GMT+10:00) To: rich...@ames.id.au,Wikimedia Mailing List

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Jeevan Jose
https://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%91%D7%A5:%D7%AA%D7%92%D7%95%D7%91%D7%AA_%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%93_%D7%94%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7%98%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%91%D7%A2%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%99%D7%9F_%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%99%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A6%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D.jpg Such a statement from GOI

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Richard Ames, 22/06/2014 13:12: volunteer positions which work for I smell a contradiction. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Benjamin Lees
There's no master list that I know of, but there are lists of each of those things: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/System_administrators#List https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developers/Accounts https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Press_room#Official_chapters

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Alice Wiegand
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 3:12 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: Many of the people on those lists are not volunteers. How's your definition of volunteers? Alice. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Alice Wiegand me.ly...@gmail.com wrote: How's your definition of volunteers? In this case, I just mean that some of the people on those lists are paid employees of the WMF or a chapter, so I can't guarantee that everyone on a list of volunteers is acting in a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Itzik Edri
With all the good faith, and even with the good connections of WMIL with the Israeli government - lets don't forget this it is still, a government, and it is not kind of lets ask them and they will do it just because we are Wikimedia Commons issue. It was hard enough to explain them the ridiculous

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Johan Jönsson
2014-06-22 13:59 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Wikimedia volunteers are self-organised, why would there be a list? Because we love making lists. That being said, Richard list wiki-specific positions like ArbCom, which I suppose would mean that volunteers for the Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Yann Forget
Hi, 2014-06-22 16:00 GMT+05:30 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com: It is a bit crazy :-) The use to be copyright holder of these files is Israeli goverment. But according to the goverment it does not claim any copyrights as it clearly stated that the these files are not copyrightable, and it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Venture Beyond

2014-06-22 Thread Oona Castro
I like reading this. Excellent, indeed! On 3 June 2014 03:50, Nurunnaby Chowdhury n...@nhasive.com wrote: +1 Lila.. -- Nurunnaby Chowdhury | @nhasive Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia | User: Nhasive Member, IEG, WMF Sent from my iPhone device On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Jasper Deng

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread Russavia
Craig, et al On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: Russavia, I'm a bit confused though about the parody/satire angle, my understanding is that a CC licence does not extinguish things such as moral rights that are not related to copyright. Sorry,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 10, Issue 23 -- 18 June 2014

2014-06-22 Thread Luis Villa
On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Richard Ames rich...@ames.id.au wrote: I would like to publicly thank the contributors to the Signpost; most are listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/Newsroom +1. It is an incredibly useful resource - thank you for all the

[Wikimedia-l] investment ratio cap on eqities

2014-06-22 Thread James Salsman
I recommend that the Foundation amend its Investment Policy to limit investment in equities to no more than 10% of its assets, to be purchased only after the Foundation investments staff has at least three years experience in debt investment, with a requirement to hold all equity investments for

[Wikimedia-l] Urgent problem on the Beta Wikiversity

2014-06-22 Thread R W
On Beta Wikiversity someone is active now who uses the project as his personal notepad/sandbox. The pages created in Dutch are short Wikipedia articles, copy of a message of the yearplan of WMNL, texts of Wikisource, Wikinews articles, and for every person he contacted he creates a page. In his

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Samuel Klein
I think a better formulation of the question might be: do we have a list of non-editing activities, and do we have a count of the number of people who do them regularly? To which the answer is partially-yes, and mostly-no. Yes: There is a mindmap of activities and roles that was created and is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How many volunteers (not editors) does the movement have????

2014-06-22 Thread Lodewijk
In that case, 'many people are not volunteers' is probably an overstatement :) At least for AffCom, FDC, OTRS are almost fully employees. The list of chapter people is much longer (boards alone: ~40 * 6 est. average = 240 people, all volunteers) than the list of press contacts. In Wiki Loves

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lets delete everything from commons (was The tragedy of Commons)

2014-06-22 Thread ???
On 22/06/2014 17:10, Itzik Edri wrote: Many people are already using the photos on websites, Flickrs accounts and others photos services They had better not be using them on flickr accounts as flickr may delete the entire account, for infringing the flickr and Y! TC. The issue being that