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2016-04-09 Thread Brill Lyle
I find this issue of Conflict of Interest exceedingly problematic. Almost every person working and living today will have a conflict of interest somehow, especially as one becomes a contributor to any of the Wikimedia projects, gets to know people, tries to organize events or promote the value of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-09 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Denny, Thanks for explaining your reasoning, which hints towards a lack of tolerance and understanding towards people wearing several hats. It doesn't have an easy solution, as there is too much lack of trust. The only thing I wish is that your decision enables you to participate in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
Den 2016-04-09 kl. 12:51, skrev Fæ: leaving your seat should be made to appear like a royal abdication or the result of failure. Yes, another option to secure a continuity of members in the board would be to accept resignations will occur and then have the community election to end formally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread
Yes. The 'not' was implied. ;-) Per future President Clinton, those were just my words. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/clinton-misspoke-over-claims-of-sniper-fire-in-visit-to-bosnia-800606.html If only there was a way of writing text online that could be edited after pressing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Andrew Lih
Did you miss a “not” in there? Fae said: “Trustees are an unpaid volunteer position, leaving your seat should be made to appear like a royal abdication or the result of failure.” Suggested edit: “…leaving your seat should NOT be made to appear like a royal abdication or the result of failure.”

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread
It's quite normal for Trustees to step down due to changing interests or after a review of interests. It would be great if the WMF board could move over to a culture where there was far less drama and chest beating about managing and declaring interests. Trustees are an unpaid volunteer position,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Really more bureaucracy? As if that does not bring its own conflict of interest? Thanks, GerardM On 9 April 2016 at 10:20, Ilario Valdelli wrote: > What should be noted is that a personal declaration of COI cannot be > sufficient. Probably an evaluation of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
What should be noted is that a personal declaration of COI cannot be sufficient. Probably an evaluation of potential conflits done by a committee as neutral body can help the candidates to better evaluate the candidacy and to manage them better. Kind regards Il 09 Apr 2016 8:26 AM, "Anders

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-09 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Hi Denny Your email is very interesting to understand the conflict you were experimenting to introduce innovation and good ideas in Wikimedia projects. In my opinion the biggest problem is the overlapping between direction and execution. Do you think that your action would be less efficient

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [recent changes]

2016-04-09 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Denny I am sorry to have lost a friend who is on the board but I am happy to welcome back a friend who can now express his ideas, his notions, his opposition, his point of view. Yes you work for Google. For me it means that you are again in an unique position to be an ambassador for both

[Wikimedia-l] What can we learn

2016-04-09 Thread Anders Wennersten
I, as all others, has full sympathy for Danny and find that he in his mail made an excellent explanation on how the situation made the option to resign the only reasonable way forward BUT this is the second community selected that has left the Board within a year after being appointed, and