>
> (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean accepting and
acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to do to rectify
that failing.
I know Nat was
Dear Wikimedians,
A quick reminder that we will be having another Wikimedia Clinic open call
today, in about three hours, at 08:00 UTC.
The Wikimedia Clinics calls are open video calls (using Google Meet) where
any active Wikimedian is welcome to attend and ask questions or ask for
advice about
Hello,
Interesting change. Could you kindly give link to your updated bylaws
(either on the mailing list or please PM)?
Congratulations and good wishes
Thanks
Tito Dutta
Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to remind
me over email or phone call.
On Mon, 22 Jun 2020
Thanks for this update, Lukas and all.
Congrats on the well-attended virtual assembly, I'm curious how it was
handled.
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Lukas Mezger
wrote:
> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual
> general assembly
(Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra
seems to think, but by the affiliates.)
Jan-Bart de Vreede escreveu no dia segunda,
22/06/2020 à(s) 17:26:
> Hi Gnangarra
>
> I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> because of the
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 12:26 PM Jan-Bart de Vreede
wrote:
> Hi Gnangarra
>
> I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
> because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of
> Board members of the Wikimedia Foundation.
>
>
>
Resigning is
Congratulations to all the newly elected members.
Best Regards,
Rajeeb Dutta.
(U: Marajozkee)
(Sent from my iPhone pardon the brevity)
> On 22-Jun-2020, at 9:56 PM, Lukas Mezger wrote:
>
> Dear fellow Wikimedians,
>
> On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual
>
Paul,
From everything I read in discussions and emails, I believe this
distinction between community and movement, makes sense, and... maybe
hasn't been raised before? If it has been, please excuse me, and point me
where :]. I do not know the practical applications that can derive from
it, but I
On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 11:26 AM Gnangarra wrote:
>
> I think its fair to call for you to stand aside since taking full
> responsibility for the failing to communicate the Boards actions with the
> community and the communities position with the Board.
>
>
Really, no.
We want Board members who
Dear fellow Wikimedians,
On Sunday, Wikimedia Deutschland held its 25th and first-ever virtual
general assembly with over 250 members attending.
Our members elected a new Supervisory Board, which consists of 7 elected
members:
* Lukas Mezger (chair, re-elected)
* Daniel Reisener (treasurer,
Hi Gnangarra
I find your request for Nat to resign uncalled for…. and not in the least
because of the common misconception you have with regards to the role of Board
members of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Quoting from the excellent Wikimedia Board Handbook(1)
"WMF is an entrusted steward
From the beginning, WMF vs. Wikipedia has been the dynamic tension between
structure and the community. I was one of the strongest advocates of
structure. Fundraising and the US-centric approach were the core beliefs
for WMF, as a means of guaranteeing survival when survival was a couple of
This explanation has gone a long way from ensuring this isn't a movement,
it's not considering us as a community either, there's no concept of
collaboration, nor seeking of consensus, and this is tearing down the
Foundation of what made Wikipedia what it is so it's probably not good to
use that
Hi Natalii (and everyone)
Thank you for this mail. I know this was hard to write, also knowing that it
will be dissected by a lot of people who will read it with a perspective all of
their own.
Having been on the other side of the fence I know how hard it is to (re)gain
trust after mistakes
Hoi,
It is abundantly clear that some identify only by their community. It is
abundantly clear that people in some communities do not recognise shared
values like "sharing in the sum of all knowledge".
It is also clear that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound by what some in
a community insist
Hoi,
Please take a step back. The Wikimedia Foundation is incorporated in a way
specifically designed to prevent the community from taking over. The
problem with the community is that there is no community as such; there is
a movement that includes different communities with different needs and
Hi Nataliia,
Thank you for your statement as the current Chair of WMF Board of Trustees.
If the Wikimedia Foundation wants to change its name and if it has the
right to do whatever it can, then I can just hope that WMF has considered
all the consequences. But I am confused on how affiliates are
Thank you Nat. I'm Dutch, and the Dutch are known to be direct, and even I
find your extensive statement direct. That was your intent to do. Thanks, I
welcome that. I know nearly every other culture would prefer less direct
communication.
As an employer you have a duty to protect your employees
[From my comments in the rebranding survey]
Other
"We network around our best-known brand to connect the movement together".
That feels like marketing-speak. It is unclear what you are trying to
communicate. I do not think that contributors of non-WP projects want to
"network" around Wikipedia.
[From my comments in the rebranding survey]
Name of WMF
To me a trust implies one party relegating authority over a resource to a
second party, who is expected to manage it well, and return it at some
point to the first party or a third party. I do not see the WMF's role as
including such as a
[From my comments in the rebranding survey]
Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia
Our overall community centers around the current Wikimedia concept, not
Wikipedia. Naming the whole from one its parts is ambiguous, confusing, and
disrespectful to non-Wikipedia projects. The majority of the population of
the
[From my comments in the rebranding survey]
"Movement"
Please stop calling us a "movement". I am an active Wikipedia contributor,
but I do not feel part of a movement. Know that I feel excluded when we are
referred to as a movement. I would guess that most Wikimedians do not
consider themselves
Greetings,
Hope my mail finds you in the best of health and spirit. I like to take the
opportunity to thank you for a penning a detailed email with clarification.
Yes, we all looking forward for a better possible outcome.
Stay healthy and be safe.
Best Regards,
Rajeeb.
(U: Marajozkee)
(Sent
OK, you say that you take "full responsibility" for the situation. What
exactly does "full responsibility" entail? How will the relations between
the board and the communities differ compared to the moment *before* full
responsibility was taken?
Is the board changing the degree to which it will
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