Asaf,
Thank you for notifying the list. I have read Gerard's posts to this list
since 2007, and it's a safe bet that his thousands of messages make him the
single most prolific contributor to this list since it was created. I
appreciate that the moderators felt compelled to act, but I find the
Hi Zack,
I filled out a survey request for "The Wiki Foundation".
Some of the text of the survey indicated that the legal department thought
that there could be a problem with that possibility, but didn't say why, so
I asked for the source for the claim I quoted in the survey.
How many
Dear list subscribers,
In my volunteer capacity as list-admin, I write to let you know that
subscriber Gerard Meijssen has been placed on indefinite moderation after
making toxic comments to another subscriber, and failing to apologize for
them after it was pointed out to him. Gerard had been
Hey everyone,
Did you know that:
Parvathishri from India is using Wikimedia projects to spread awareness on
digital literacy? or about Helena Dvořáková from Czech Republic as she is
working to support senior editors through Wiki Clubs in Prague? or about Oleh
Kushch from Ukraine who is
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 6:36 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
> warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
> argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
>
An update: there *do* appear to be issues with Telkom SA (AS 37457) being
able to reach Wikimedia; I've reached out to their network operations
center.
Despite more investigation I did not find evidence of issues at other
African ISPs.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Peter Southwood <
Agreed.
Gerard, WSC is a fantastic advocate for our projects, I recall us
working together on the first Commons based editathon many years ago,
it was a privilege to become friends with someone genuinely passionate
for public education and open knowledge.
These personal comments are misleading
That is plausible, I am in Cape Town
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Joseph Seddon
Sent: 29 June 2020 16:40
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers
From reports I am seeing on facebook
Hi,
I've done some looking around and don't see evidence of widespread issues
with connectivity to Wikimedia from either Telekom ZA, or Africa in general.
For any users who are having troubles, please see
https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue
Even if you
Africa's traffic goes to Amsterdam datacenter (even South Africa)[1], if
that datacenter had issues, Europe would go dark too.
I bring it up with people.
[1]: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Clusters
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:41 PM Joseph Seddon wrote:
> From reports I am seeing on
Thanks WSC; elegantly put.
On survey process: seconding what others have said,
if you have gotten ~1000 of a desired 4000 responses, and haven't asked two
questions that you realize are essential, yes it is absolutely worth
running a new survey w the new options.
You can even identify
From reports I am seeing on facebook it seems this problem is localised on
our Africa based users?
Regards
Seddon
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:05 PM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> I get this:
>
> The connection has timed out
>
> The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking
Thanks.
Can you please file a bug using this instructions?
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue
(If you can't access it:
https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue)
(If you can't access even that:
I get this:
The connection has timed out
The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond.
The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few
moments.
If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer’s network
connection.
If your computer
Hey,
Can you elaborate more? I can access the website and graphs seems okay:
https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/RIA1lzDZk/application-servers-red-dashboard?orgId=1=now-3h=now
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood <
peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote:
> Is anyone else unable to get
I want to express my gratitude to the people who have put up this letter
on meta [1)
I see it as a much more professional way of expressing movement
opinions, then the usual Rfc's (that also already exist related to the
2030 movement brand project).
I do like that both entities (Affiliates,
Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers?
Cheers,
Peter
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Hoi,
Dunning and Kruger have nothing to do with it; I am perfectly able to get
it wrong. What you do is dismissive and you do not make a point. That makes
it a fail by default.
Thanks,
GerardM
On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 13:58, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> Dunning and Kruger identified the effect,
Dunning and Kruger identified the effect, unfortunately they did not identify a
cure.
Cheers,
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Gerard Meijssen
Sent: 29 June 2020 12:36
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re:
So far it has been an ongoing process. No obvious reason to expect a change.
Cheers,
P
-Original Message-
From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of
Dan Szymborski
Sent: 28 June 2020 18:13
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board
It's not rocket science, ask an advertising/PR consulting company what they
think about renaming, they are going to go with the easiest option that's
the best known identity. It's a no brainer exercise of take the money and
run.
There is more to this community/movement than its choice of name,
Hoi,
Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it
warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not
argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the
exchange of arguments when you do not allow for reading and commenting on
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:56 AM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices
> made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and
> you make that plain in what you say.
>
This sort of assumption-making about other
Hoi,
Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices
made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and
you make that plain in what you say. The problem with bias is that it has
consequences in how you approach issues. When Wikipedia "consensus"
Thank you WereSpielChequers for writing so clearly and concisely what I
have been struggling to put into words for some days.
I understand that good faith efforts were made to investigate the usability
of the terms "W" and "Wiki". [1] Once these wiki-related terms were off the
table, the options
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