This is an interesting topic about RecentChanges and its many uses and
variants. I'm copying Analytics, EE and Research lists because I hope that some
of our colleagues from these lists will hop over to Wikimedia-l to participate
in this discussion. [a]
In particular I would call my
I think having a two part RfC with the first part discussing the minimum
conditions the community would like VE to meet before having a discussion about
more widely enabling VE in the second portion of the RfC makes sense. This
raises the possibility that as VE becomes more and more functional
Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since
the discussion that got me thinking about this issue started on this list it
made sense to me to keep it on this list. Also, other wikis' experiences with
VE are relevant. My personal experience with VE has most
GerardM,
Yes, if Asaf or someone else wanted to have a low-frequency discussion about VE
on Hebrew Wikipedia or some other wiki on this list I think that would be ok
too. IMO this is a high-traffic general-purpose list, but Asaf is right that
taking discussions to a more specific place is
Hi Andy,
The password isn't a single point of failure in the sense that Jarry and Ed
both had the password and either of them might have become available to publish
hours or days later, but I felt the Signpost was already late, we had enough
material to publish, and waiting another week would
Thanks Phoebe.
Pine
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Hi Lila,
My read of the *new* Privacy Policy is that nonpublic emails sent
to WMF should remain nonpublic unless the user gives consent to the
contrary. The policy states that We may share your information for a
particular purpose, if you agree. Otherwise emails are considered
personal
Hi Nathan, what you're describing is an opt-out practice. I believe that the
practice should be opt-in.
Take this with a grain of salt. I participate in some grantmaking and
administrative
groups and I err on the side of privacy, but I'm fairly confident that the
Privacy
Policy applies in this
I was contacted off-list about this situation by someone who wants to remain
anonymous but has given me permission to forward their input to the list. I am
not a copyright expert and this isn't professional legal advice. It would be
interesting to hear what WMF Legal thinks about republishing
Hi, can someone with knowledge of WMF's thinking expand on this statement from
Lila?
Starting the process for our next strategic planning exercise, which will be
different from last time, and focused on improving our ability to react quickly
and adjust as necessary to opportunities and
Thank you for the explanations, Lila, Molly, and everyone else.
Wil, I happen to be waiting on an email right now so I have a few minutes to
spare. If you need clarification on anything that has been said in this
discussion I am happy to meet you on IRC or have a Skype conversation. I would
I will say, in Lila's defense, that I've been impressed with what I've seen of
her in public. (:
However, Wil, I agree with points others have made. I'm concerned that you're
going to create drama with what you're doing here, and make Lila's and WMF's
jobs more complicated. I am assuming good
Hi Rodrigo,
Thank you for these questions. There have been questions about the India
program as well, so these questions about Brazil can be added to the list of
issues for WMF to investigate.
I am not personally familiar with either of the Brazil or India catalyst
programs,
but I suggest
Hi Kevin,
My comment here expresses my personal opinion only.
I
understand how bringing this issue to Wikimedia-l could seem appropriate
because Commons is a project that has an unusual degree
of cross-wiki influence and activity. While it's ok to
notify Wikimedia-l that this issue is being
I apologize for that formatting mess. Emails that look beautiful in my Hotmail
editing window get mangled when I send them to lists, and this seems to happen
on a regular basis. I'll try sending this again.
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Hi Kevin,
My comment here expresses my personal opinion only.
I understand how
Hi Keegan,
I looked for equivalent Meta policies before posting the links to English
Wikipedia.
Canvassing is referenced on Meta and Commons although there is no page on Meta
or Commons specifically describing a canvassing policy that I see. Perhaps
there should be, since both wikis seem to
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 07:57:15 -0300
From: Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvare...@okfn.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thank you!
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Thanks Tilman. I asked a question on the Annual Plan talk page that's relevant
here as well,
and anyone who knows the answer can respond, especially while Anasuya is busy.
Can
someone explain the difference between the functions of the LE and PED groups,
and is
there a plan to integrate them?
Here's a recent article from The Economist. Some of the reader comments about
the article were interesting, especially considering the population that is
likely to be reading and commenting about an article in The Economist.
An editor wrote this on Jimbo's talk page. I hope you will appreciate this as
much as I do.
Because you don't hear it enough
I love it here. I love Wikipedia. It's got its problems - lots of them. It has
its issues. It's not perfect. But that, in its way, is the point. It's not a
complete
Hi Christophe,
Thank you for these interesting emails. I'm cc'ing Anasuya on this
discussion with the hope that what you've learned can be disseminated
to other Wikimedia affiliates, especially new or aspiring chapters.
Is the decision matrix that you use for your programs available in
Hi all,
As you may have heard, we recently lost Adrianne Wadewitz (User:Wadewitz) to a
climbing accident.
Adrianne served on the board of the Wiki Education Foundation. She had a Ph.D.
in English Literature and was a Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow at the Center for
Digital Learning and
I'm cross-posting this email from Wikitech-l from Greg Grossmeier. I think wide
distribution is appropriate especially for contributors who may use vulnerable
off-wiki communication tools with their Wikimedia password or for Wikimedia
activity.
--
Yesterday a widespread issue in OpenSSL
Have there been any discussions of the link between the purposes that Wikimania
serves and the Strategic Plan?
I'm interested in thinking about what kinds of resources are appropriate for
Wikimania especially regarding attendance for grants committee members. To make
the case for significant
, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
Although much of my original email to Arbcom about this situation is
outdated, I can report that Arbcom is having a look at this situation. I
don't think there is any action needed on their part at the moment. I am
only relaying my personal views
Thanks Sue.
I think there are ways WiRs could add valuable content directly such as doing
mass uploads of archived documents to Commons, or add article content as
happened here. However I don't think it's a good idea for WMF to involve itself
so much with content generation, and the manner
Before we start thinking about the implications for WiR in general or WMF's
relationship with Stanton, I think we should focus on establishing the facts of
what happened here. After we have a good understanding of the facts we can
discuss the implications.
I'm still waiting for Arbcom to get
Thanks Erik.
I am going to be discussing this in private with the English Wikipedia
Arbitration Committee before making further comments here.
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As important as this issue is let's remember that the big picture mission is to
have high quality content that is easy and free to access. WMF management has a
lot to handle in addition to this investigation and the Sandole situation
shouldn't consume such a large portion of management's time
Russiavia, thanks for your efforts to make a comprehensive report. It's
certainly worth reading, although I am refraining from personally reaching
major conclusions until after we have heard more details from WMF.
Regarding Timothy Sandole's qualifications for the job, he could have been an
That's a very interesting blog post, and at first glance situation looks bad in
a number of ways. I'm bothered by the lack of reporting as well as the COI
issues involved.
Anasuya, at I don't think the $53,690 number is the right one, but regardless
of how much money was involved, can you
Hi Jan-Bart,
I'm saying that this looks bad and asking what happened. I directed my email to
the people who I think are in the best positions to respond or would want to
look at this for themselves.
There is a point at which asking questions becomes trolling or wasting
resources but I think
In case anyone on WikimediaAnnounce-l missed the news:
http://wikimediaukraine.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/in-memoriam-of-ihor-kostenko/
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/02/24/wikipedia-ihor-kostenko-dies/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2014-02-26/Special_report
Hi LiAnna, who wrote the FAQ for the press release? I have some concerns.
Thanks,
Pine
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:19:42 -0800
From: LiAnna Davis lda...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Announcements] (press
What is the plan for community and board involvement in the development phases
of the Annual Plan?
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It would be good to move on to more useful and practical topics.
Tony
On 02/02/2014, at 1:32 AM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 1, 2014 at 3:29 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com
wrote:
Chad, I wonder if Rory has been
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
...
a large part will never be contacted as a potential candidate,
simply because they are not close to matching the profile
Is the profile documented or subjective?
I think that this is the only written profile being used.
Actually, I think that we should consider it a strength in an individual to
refuse to consider applying for a position where every aspect of their
career and personal life would be microscopically examined by thousands of
people. Self-respect is a positive attribute.
Risker
Risker, let's
a different mail at
the beginning of 2015.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:32 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website
reliability, and many other metrics.
We are continuing to have challenges with our editor
volunteer this year, you, pine, will write a different mail at
the beginning of 2015.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 4:32 AM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website
reliability, and many other metrics.
We are continuing
We had a good 2013 year for readership statistics, fundraising, website
reliability, and many other metrics.
We are continuing to have challenges with our editor population declining.
Statistics are at http://reportcard.wmflabs.org. WMF discussed some of the
research around these
Hi Maggie, what's happening with the Ombudsman Commission scope RFC?
Thanks,
Pine
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:04:09 -0800
From: Maggie Dennis mden...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org,
Functionaries email list for the English Wikipedia
Thanks very much, Megan. It's very nice to hear this.
Pine
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:42:06 -0800
From: Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Readers love you
Message-ID:
For English Wikipedia I also feel that the FDC banner is annoying and probably
not very useful for editors or effective for requesting community input. A
watchlist notice would be more proportionate but even that is a stretch because
FDC is far removed from most editors' on-wiki interests. The
Yes, logs for all office hours are at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Office_hours#Office_hour_logs.
Please consider joining the wiki-research-l mailing list if you're not already
subscribed.
Pine
Reminder, office hour is happening now.
Hi,
I have missed the announcement, but I would
Reminder, office hour is happening now.
Pine
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Sigh. This is a difficult situation. I don't think anyone has suggested that
firing Gayle or Philippe should happen. However, I have concerns about keeping
Gayle in the Chief Talent and Culture Officer position. I directed that concern
to her and I want to hear what she thinks. There may be
I don't know what to do. I lost sleep thinking about this situation last night.
I think I'm still in shock and I'm frustrated. The normal situation on wiki is
to have this kind of discussion in public for actions that happen on any wiki
that I know of. There were similarly public discussions
Tilman,
Is there a schedule for these reviews on Meta? Also, did Grants have a review
recently?
Thanks,
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Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 20:33:57 +0200
From: Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: Gayle Karen Young gyo...@wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on Admin Rights on WMF Wiki (and
other things)
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Felicitaciones a la española Wikipedia!
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fogos_artificiais.jpg
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Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 12:47:08 -0700
From: Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience
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On 5/16/2013 11:52 AM, ENWP Pine wrote
I agree that patience is a very important virtue in some situations, such as
when we coach newbies or seek consensus among many people. But it's sometimes
not a virtue, such as in many crisis situations. As a metrics and performance
enthusiast, I feel that it's possible to have an appropriate
Thanks a lot for the replies, Anasuya and Jessie. It will be interesting to see
the evolution and impact of WMF grantmaking in the months and years ahead.
Pine
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 15:43:15 -0700
From: Anasuya Sengupta asengu...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Asaf,
Thank you for sharing your perspective.
This situation is complicated. I think it should be reviewed by an uninvolved
third party, probably the FDC ombudsperson. I think it would take significant
time and a lot of emails in this thread to accomplish what a review by the
ombudsperson
Reminder, meeting starts in about 10 minutes.
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Credit goes to J-Mo for enthusiastically supporting this idea. I mused
that I'd like to have a WMF researcher for an office hour, and largely
thanks to J-Mo's suggestions and recruiting, there will be a panel's
worth of researchers and analysts. Thanks also to the people at WMF
who made time on
Hi everyone,
WMF researchers have agreed to participate in an office hour about WMF research
projects and methodologies.
The currently scheduled participants are:
* Aaron Halfaker, Research Analyst (contractor)
* Jonathan Morgan, Research Strategist (contractor)
* Evan Rosen, Data
Reminder, discussion starting in about 10 minutes. We're in #wikimedia-office.
Pine
From: deyntest...@hotmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2013 19:53:37 -0700
Hi everyone, Jessie plans to be
Changed due to meeting collision. We'll be in #wikimedia-office-learningeval.
Pine
From: deyntest...@hotmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: RE: Office hour with Jessie Wild from Global Learning Evaluation
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 10:51:53 -0700
Reminder, discussion starting
Hi everyone, Jessie plans to be available on IRC on April 15, 1800-1900 UTC. I
plan to be there with questions about WMF program planning and evaluation, and
I hope many of you are also able to attend the discussion.
Cheers,
Pine
Hi Asaf, WSC made several points here that address your question and that are
very similar to my own views.
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-March/124824.html
After re-reading my email to Jessie and looking again at some of the recent WMF
Monthly Reports, I think I may
Hmm. Once again, I largely agree with WSC. Unless I'm missing something, this
idea is largely about fundraising, and I think it could introduce more problems
than it solves.
The evidence that I've seen suggest that WMF is very successful at fundraising,
but has ongoing difficulties with making
Hi Jessie,
Thanks for following up.
I think Gayle will be responding to this thread also, but she is a little
busy right now as I think we can all understand.
In the meantime, I hope that you add to your list of all places receiving
movement funding resources any major projects within WMF.
Hi WSC,
I agree with you on several points, although I think I am more
supportive of holding project supervisors accountable for problems.
I hope that WMF is paying attention to this conversation. I'll be very
interested in hearing what Gayle has to say. After hearing from Gayle,
I may have
James,
If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about the usefulness
of arbcoms and alternatives to them, and the relationship of Jimbo to arbcoms,
I think the best place to do that is at Meta. There have also discussions
there about asking for some kind of outside intervention in
Tom, I'm glad that you studied the IEP.
Gayle, I would be interested in hearing about the topics that you're
covering during your training sessions for WMF supervisors, especially
whether you make sure that every supervisor has had an opportunity
to learn about the experience of IEP. My
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 19:00:05 +0100
From: nemow...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
CC: deyntest...@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Will Beback, Arbcom and Community oversight
ENWP Pine, 24/03/2013 18:39:
If you're interested in starting a broader discussion about
Tom,
Thanks for the good email.
It's important to learn from mistakes, but admitting mistakes does not absolve
someone from accountability.
When people are being paid to do something right or to achieve a certain
outcome, and that doesn't happen
or it happens late, it's sometimes a very good
Peter, thanks, I agree on that point. Taking calculated risks is much different
from being negligent. Some risks work and some don't, and that can be OK in
some contexts.
Pine
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To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject:
And speaking of mistakes, I need to remember to change the subject lines of my
emails to this list.
Pine
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To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: RE: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 108, Issue 82
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:35:58 -0700
Peter, thanks, I agree on that
Awesome. Thank you, Maryana and Steven!
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I agree that the general ideas about IEP and AFT5 were worth considering,
but I get the impression that there were preventable shortcomings in their
designs and planning, and it bothers me a lot that I think I see *similar*
flaws in the two programs. I get the impression that lessons from the
Tilman,
Thanks, it's great to see the momentum here in Mobile Contributions.
Was there any discussion about how to convert the selfies uploaders and
people who sign up for the watchlist
feature into more active contributors? This seems like an opportunity to make
progress on what I think
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2013 13:31:57 -0700
From: Frank Schulenburg frank.schulenb...@gmail.com
To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Tomorrow: Office hour inside out (program
evaluation)
Message-ID:
Thomas, I agree with you that it would make sense to have a more
thoroughly defined reserve policy, but I also caution against
micromanaging the reserve. I believe that I said in my previous
email directed to Erik that I'm wondering what the downside is
of having some underspend for payroll due
PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote:
Hm, I guess a planning problem could be the root cause, but since Erik
seems to be saying that WMF has found a number of good candidates
outside of SF and yet the statement in the FAQ for the mid-year financials
said that the competition
Hm, I guess a planning problem could be the root cause, but since Erik seems to
be saying that WMF has found a number of good candidates outside of SF and yet
the statement in the FAQ for the mid-year financials said that the competition
in the SF region for engineers is the reason for WMF
Boldly forwarding an email that was sent to the Wikimedia Education list.
Pine
-- Forwarded message --
From: Jane Park janep...@creativecommons.org
Date: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:05 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia Education] School of Open has launched!
To: Wikimedia Education
There seems to be considerable interest on this email list about WikiData and
similar projects, so I think some people may be interested in this proposal at
Individual Engagement Grants.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/MediaWiki_data_browser.
Note that the community comment period
Garfield,
Thanks for the report.
Congrats again to the fundraising team for what they accomplished this for this
round of fundraising.
The QA for the mid-year report talks about a hiring pace that is slower than
planned, and says We attribute this to the fact that the market for
engineers
(: A 2014 calendar of the top twelve from the 2012 POTY contest
would be a great addition to the Wikimedia shop!
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proposals. The public comment phase ends on February 22.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG#ieg-reviewing
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This is great news. Congratulations to those who worked on this grant proposal.
I'm always glad to hear that progress continues to be made at making Wikimedia
content more accessible and/or editable on mobile.
Pine
Numerous Wikipedians are leaving memorials on AaronSw's user talk page on
English Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:AaronSw
I've also added a link to there from Aaron's entry in WP:RIP.
Pine
James,
Is there evidence that WMF has a worrisome talent retention problem? Gayle
seems to think that the answer is generally no. If there is evidence to the
contrary that has more weight than anecdotal Glassdoor reviews, I would be
interested in seeing that evidence.
I would distinguish
James,
I'm a little confounded as to why you're still looking to Glassdoor as your
primary source of information on employee satisfaction after Gayle indicated
that she has much more comprehensive data on this subject from the employee
survey.
Also, I will stand up and say that I, for one, am
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 16:19:25 +0200
From: Strainu strain...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org,
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org
Nathan,
I agree that other qualitative and quantitative information would be helpful
and I hope that Sj or other trustees will comment on the level of trustee
engagement.
From what I've seen in the public records, the attendance of WMF trustees at
Board events seems to be fairly good, but
Sj,
I'm addressing this question to you because you seem to be the most active
trustee in the areas where I checked for trustee activity, and also because you
were one of the authors of the “Building a lasting movement” workshop
submission to Wikimania 2012. I would also be interested in
Eric,
This is great. I think this initiative may lead to benefits on multiple fronts.
Thank you for this good news!
Cheers,
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Thanks for forwarding. I'll forward this to link to the Signpost staff.
I love the concept of Wikipedia Zero and I'm glad to hear that users are
finding it valuable.
Pine
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 11:33:00 +
From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
This reorg sounds reasonable to me as Sue has presented it.
Since I've spent a number of hours studying WMF's org chart, financials, and
related documents, I'd be bold here and answer some questions that have been
asked on this list. Let me make an important disclaimer: I am not a
Tilman,
Thanks, I always like reading these reports.
Again, I'd like to ask what specific and measurable benefits the changing
focus changes will accomplish. I've been asking this for awhile.
Thanks,
Pine
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:55:37 -0800
From: Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org
To:
There are a number of interesting topics in this month's Recent Research
report. The detailed list of contents for the Research Report may intrigue some
readers of Wikimedia-l and Research-l. The report is at
As a general comment, I think that even without the narrowing focus
initiative, the idea of a bifurcation of the engineering organization sounds
like a good idea to me. I would need to do more detailed analysis of the
current structure before I comment on a specific proposal. I appreciate Erik
Could I ask about what information the Board had in addition to these
slides? The slides provide little in the way of hard numbers for financial
and ROI information, such as expected improvements to editor retention or
the Visual Editor's progress that should occur with the changes to funding
Thank you for those replies, Tony and Tilman.
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I appreciate the comments of Jan-Bart and DeltaQuad regarding process and
openness, although I feel that we're veering off topic a little from the
subject of COIs.
Since we're veering anyway, I would like to make a distinction between
providing openness and providing notice. To the best of my
Here’s a news article that may be of interest to those who follow
Wikimedia-related legal issues especially regarding BLPs.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20153309
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