Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
From Ziko's note about this: There will be a special list 'WCA-announcements. If you want to be informed about Bulletins and discussions, join the list and you will get links to Meta Wiki. It's a one-way-list, because the discussions are supposed to be on Meta Wiki. This is a WCA service for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Charles Andrès
Hello, In fact this mailing list has already been created since a while, it's just not used for the moment. The question of the hosting hasn't been discuss in this way, for the WCA WMCH is offering the hosting of chapters mailing list, chapters wiki, and some chapter wiki. So it has just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-02-19 18:06, Jan Engelmann a écrit : Let’s get started and talk about this challenge! Your input and ideas on the aforementioned Meta page are highly appreciated. To discuss the working methods of an EU Policy Group and develop a project plan together, we suggest to meet face-to-face

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Christophe Henner
Why do we need two announce mailing lists? Can't we all use wikimedia-announce ? Christophe -- Christophe On 20 February 2013 09:22, Charles Andrès charles.andres.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, In fact this mailing list has already been created since a while, it's just not used for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Christophe Henner
Hi, just for the sake of history in 2007 or 2008 we tried to do that, we had a meeting in Brussel (in a really nice hostel) and we set up a working group... but we didn't do a thing in the end. So even though I believe it could be a good idea, I'm still not sure volunteers are able to handle such

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Luis Villa joins WMF as Deputy General Counsel

2013-02-20 Thread Richard Symonds
Welcome, Luis, from all of us in the UK! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Jan Engelmann
Hi Christoph, thanks for your comment. I am absolutely aware of the fact that there have been various efforts in the past to get things done, or even: slightly better. But in my view, it's always a matter of the burden of suffering if you get active or not. The EU-legislation on musical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Christophe Henner
On 20 February 2013 12:03, Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de wrote: Hi Christoph, thanks for your comment. I am absolutely aware of the fact that there have been various efforts in the past to get things done, or even: slightly better. But in my view, it's always a matter of the burden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-02-19 23:59, rupert THURNER a écrit : hi jan, nice to hear that! i am wondering how such very active advocacy fits with wikimedia's educational, non-political mission statement, I wonder how one may split education and politic as they are – in my humble opinion – deeply intertwinned.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Fae
On 20 February 2013 08:59, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: Why do we need two announce mailing lists? Can't we all use wikimedia-announce ? I don't really care much about how it works, just that it does. Manuel Schneider took an action at the weekend to advise on points of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Christophe Henner
I'm sorry but Ii tend to disagree to some extent. We're non-political in the sense we don't pick side. We don't support one or the other party. But that doesn't mean we must not get involved regarding legislation that could tamper with our ability to achieve our goals. Quick exemple, in France

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
Hi all, I guess the non-partisan part is not even a quesiton, but rather a precondition. The question is how to balance it on a case-to-case basis. For now I have just included the wording *commitment to* *political neutrality except regarding the most serious things that directly impact our

[Wikimedia-l] The Church of Reason

2013-02-20 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
[...] It began with reference to a newspaper article about a country church building with an electric beer sign hanging right over the front entrance. The building had been sold and was being used as a bar. One can guess that some classroom laughter started at this point. The college was well

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Church of Reason

2013-02-20 Thread Fred Bauder
The primary goal of the Church of Reason, Phaedrus said, is always Socrates's old goal of truth, in its ever-changing forms, as it is revealed by the process of rationality. I'm sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Wikipedia is compendium of information published in reliable sources. You

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Balázs Viczián
I believe this will be the task of the future Belgian chapter what is - if I'm correct - just forming. No need to have two chapters there. Balazs 2013/2/20 Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov dimitar.parvanov.dimit...@gmail.com Hi all, I guess the non-partisan part is not even a quesiton, but rather a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Jan Engelmann
Hi Balázs, I believe this will be the task of the future Belgian chapter what is - if I'm correct - just forming. No need to have two chapters there. We're not talking about an overlapping or even overstretch of chapters. The territorial perspective is not very productive if you search for new

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 02/20/2013 07:53 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: I wonder how one may split education and politic as they are – in my humble opinion – deeply intertwinned. +1 Insightful Indeed, our Imagine slogan is -- fundamentally -- both highly political and quite radical (even in this age of easy

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-02-20 Thread Megan Hernandez
Hi everyone, We've been testing banners at a low level for about two weeks now. We've been showing just one banner impression to 5% of anonymous users (excluding the 5 countries where banners ran in December: US, UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). Hiding banners after one impression is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-02-20 Thread Charles Andres
I would like to remind that the fundraising has been done in 8 countries and not 5 , you forget France, Germany and Switzerland. Thanks Charles Le 20 févr. 2013 à 15:50, Megan Hernandez mhernan...@wikimedia.org a écrit : Hi everyone, We've been testing banners at a low level for about two

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-02-20 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, Megan. Wouldn't be better to add our data on some wiki page or spreadsheet? By the way, I've seen the banner once yesterday on the Portuguese Wikipedia (blue background), but I seldom use Wikipedia logged out. I am in São Paulo. Tom On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Megan Hernandez

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-02-20 Thread Megan Hernandez
Sorry for the confusion. The chapters in Germany, France, and Switzerland ran banners at the end of 2012. WMF is not showing banners in those countries. I added a section to the fundraising meta page for comments if you've seen banners over the last two weeks:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Mathieu Stumpf
Le 2013-02-20 14:11, Christophe Henner a écrit : I'm sorry but Ii tend to disagree to some extent. There's really nothing to be sorry about here, I gave my point of view, you share yours, and we may end up both grown by conversation we build together. We're non-political in the sense we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi, if there ever will be a WCA or something like that, then this will be a task for them imo. For the time being, mapping could be done by the future Belgian chapter or by some interested local volunteers. Balazs 2013/2/20 Jan Engelmann jan.engelm...@wikimedia.de Hi Balázs, I believe this

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 9, Issue 7 -- 18 February 2013

2013-02-20 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
News and notes: Wikimedia Foundation declares 'victory' in Wikivoyage lawsuit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2013-02-18/News_and_notes In the media: Sue Gardner interviewed by the Australian press

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising testing

2013-02-20 Thread MZMcBride
Megan Hernandez wrote: Sorry for the confusion. The chapters in Germany, France, and Switzerland ran banners at the end of 2012. WMF is not showing banners in those countries. I added a section to the fundraising meta page for comments if you've seen banners over the last two weeks:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Luis Villa joins WMF as Deputy General Counsel

2013-02-20 Thread DeltaQuad Wikipedia
Sounds like a great choice for WMF Legal. Welcome :) Watch out for that guy you'll probably see quite a bit of, Philippe, pure troublemaker ;) I haven't seen the product of him and Geoff together, but you'll probably be in for a double slam if they join forces. :P DeltaQuad - Mobile phone English

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
Hi again, if there ever will be a WCA or something like that, then this will be a task for them imo. For the time being, mapping could be done by the future Belgian chapter or by some interested local volunteers. I strongly disagree. As a local volunteer doing monitoring and as someone who is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread Balázs Viczián
I've replied on two things: regarding info collecting, that you were discussing, I believe WMBE can handle it (collecting names and numbers), no need for a chapter to the EU there imo. Regarding actual lobbying, representation and stuff - an international cooperation, like WCA (but not in its

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Big Fat Brussels Gathering

2013-02-20 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
An area perhaps for the Legal and Community advocacy department ? Alex 2013/2/20 Balázs Viczián balazs.vicz...@wikimedia.hu I've replied on two things: regarding info collecting, that you were discussing, I believe WMBE can handle it (collecting names and numbers), no need for a chapter to

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/) is a critical piece of Wikimedia's infrastructure. It currently handles nearly all customer service inquiries directed at Wikimedia. Trusted volunteers triage and respond to this e-mail. Wikimedia is currently running OTRS version 2.4. The most recently

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Gregory Varnum
This could be a good project for one of the developing MediaWiki Groups. MediaWiki Group San Francisco is already approved by AffCom and eligible for grants. -greg aka varnent On 20 Feb, 2013, at 11:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/) is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Rjd0060
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/) is a critical piece of Wikimedia's infrastructure. It currently handles nearly all customer service inquiries directed at Wikimedia. Trusted volunteers triage and respond to this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread DeltaQuad Wikipedia
+1, the interface still confuses me at somepoints today. But I have to ask, are we getting everything we need with an OTRS update to the new version, or are we settling for a medioker (excuse my spelling, it is late). Is it a better idea to have wikimedians (maybe through grants, idk) build

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Rjd0060
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:25 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hi. OTRS (https://ticket.wikimedia.org/) is a critical piece of Wikimedia's infrastructure. It currently handles nearly all customer service

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify, the Foundation support that would be appreciated here is from the tech/ops group. We've had good response from other staff on related issues, and that is much appreciated. -- Ryan User:Rjd0060 To

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Casey Brown
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:18 AM, DeltaQuad Wikipedia deltaquadw...@gmail.com wrote: Is it a better idea to have wikimedians (maybe through grants, idk) build something open source and cc-whatever? That way fixes can be made and we can get many devs (broad sense of the term) fixing bugs of a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread MZMcBride
Keegan Peterzell wrote: I've been an Volunteer Response Team agent since 2009, and a leader (OTRS admin) since 2010. In that time the control of OTRS moved from a function that had a designated staff role of control to one of community management. In the past two and a half years Philippe has been

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:02 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: But OTRS is ultimately a big piece of software. Maybe the Wikimedia Foundation can buy a support contract for it if nobody is willing/able to support/maintain it internally? Or maybe that's something a chapter or grant

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread [[w:en:User:Madman]]
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:02 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: This also isn't a criticism of the Wikimedia Foundation engineering folks. They've got plenty on their plate as well, of course. But _somebody_ has to be supporting the technical portion of OTRS. If the Wikimedia Foundation

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 9:47 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 11:36 PM, Rjd0060 rjd0060.w...@gmail.com wrote: To clarify, the Foundation support that would be appreciated here is from the tech/ops group. We've had good response from other staff on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation's support of OTRS

2013-02-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
This conversation should shift to meta sooner rather than later. I'm not on my PC, but perhaps /Talk:OTRS/Software? ~ Keegan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: