Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread ENWP Pine
Thanks Sue. I think there are ways WiRs could add valuable content directly such as doing mass uploads of archived documents to Commons, or add article content as happened here. However I don't think it's a good idea for WMF to involve itself so much with content generation, and the manner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-01 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Money entrusted to a chapter is for that chapter to spend as they see fit. The notion that it is money from the public is not a license for everyone to meddle. There are people and places where such scrutiny is best expressed. When questions are asked, let them be questions and not implicit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Craig Franklin
Thankyou from me as well, it's refreshing to see such a candid summary of the failings that occurred in this case, and to see the Foundation taking responsibility for those. I hope that the opportunity can be taken for all of us to learn from this so that it does not happen with future projects.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread
Hi Sue, Thank you for your report at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence/Harvard_University_assessment. Could you please clarify if In the future, the Wikimedia Foundation will not support or endorse the creation of paid roles that have article writing as a core focus,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 07:43 AM, Fæ wrote: I find it disappointing that when difficult governance questions like this are raised in public, that some leading members of our community default to treating the concerned whistle-blower as a troll I think, Fæ, that you will find that it's not the subject

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread
On 1 April 2014 14:23, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: ... That analysis and examination of that bad move would have been done just and quickly and effectively by polite inquiry than it would have with shrill cries. We're an extraordinarily transparent movement; we don't need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/01/2014 09:34 AM, Fæ wrote: I am sure than the viewpoint is different for employees within the WMF like yourself, compared to unpaid volunteers outside, like me. This may be part of the reason we see this governance failure in a different light. That's actually amusingly wrong, though I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 21 March 2014 13:23, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: We will update the wiki page at https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedian_in_Residence/Harvard_University_assessment with more information and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
As far as I am concerned, what was wrong with this situation wasn't that the Wikimedia Foundation paid a trained academic to edit Wikipedia. I venture that most donors and members of the general public wouldn't have a problem with that at all. What was wrong? 1. The obvious appearance of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: * The Stanton Foundation does not have a financial interest in these topics. With that said, Liz Allison, who heads the Stanton Foundation, and Graham Allison, who heads the Belfer Center, are wife and husband, and the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Peter Southwood
Good points. Peter - Original Message - From: Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53,690 of WMF funding As far as I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Did the fundraising department regard it as their programme No, on the contrary, fundraising actively looped in other staff. Folks like Siko and Asaf were involved early on. That's how the advice to not turn this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Erik Moeller
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I have no problem *at all* with the fact that the Wikimedia Foundation paid an academically qualified expert to make edits to Wikipedia. In fact, I find it disheartening that the Foundation now feels it has to state that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-01 Thread Nicole Ebber
I am glad that 1,5 weeks before the conference, there is finally some activity showing up on the lists and the meta pages. I must admit that I would have really loved to see more engagement on topics like conference goals and themes, support for the programme team regarding programme decisions,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Russavia
Erik A quick question: was the legal department involved in this debacle prior to it becoming known? I'm just curious as to why Geoff Brigham was involved in the production of Sue's assessment. Was it because Legal was involved, or was he simply vetting what is already being called a candid

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Russavia
Marc On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: I have *zero* to do with Governance, no stake in that project, and I don't even actually interact with any of the involved departments. I can tell you with absolute certainty that my comments on this thread

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Nederland monthly report for February

2014-04-01 Thread Sandra Rientjes Wikimedia Nederland
The WMNL monthly report for February is available on Meta: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Nederland/201402 It is also included as plain text below. *COMMUNITY: supporting and mobilising volunteers and editors*[ - ·*Education Extension*. The

[Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Amy Vossbrinck
Hello All: I have been following this thread with great interest and a kind of deeply appreciative fascination. First to say that I am relatively new to WMF - having been on board for just a bit over a year. Previously the jobs that I had pretty much covered the entire waterfront: Summer jobs

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timothy Sandole and (apparently) $53, 690 of WMF funding

2014-04-01 Thread Richard Symonds
Nicely put! On 1 Apr 2014 22:29, Amy Vossbrinck avossbri...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hello All: I have been following this thread with great interest and a kind of deeply appreciative fascination. First to say that I am relatively new to WMF - having been on board for just a bit over a year.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Cost of Wikimedia Conference 2014

2014-04-01 Thread Itzik Edri
Sorry Nicole, but I'm unhappy with your answer. You are right, engagement on other topics is needed, but this is not means people don't have the right to ask questions and raise concerns. We didn't have this discussions last year, as none of the chapter sent more then 2+1. There were few people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives

2014-04-01 Thread Tilman Bayer
The minutes and slides from Friday's quarterly review meeting of the Parsoid team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Parsoid/March_2014 . On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Minutes and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] ANNOUNCEMENT: Anna Koval joins Wikipedia Education Program team

2014-04-01 Thread Mile Kiš
Congratulations Anna! Looking forward to work with you. Cheers, Mile Kiš Vikimedija Srbije - rs.wikimedia.org - 00381 (0)60 7 454 772 Zamislite svet u kome svaka osoba ima slobodan pristup celokupnom ljudskom znanju. To je ono na čemu mi radimo. 2014-04-02 1:26 GMT+02:00 Rodney Dunican

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] ANNOUNCEMENT: Anna Koval joins Wikipedia Education Program team

2014-04-01 Thread Nurunnaby Chowdhury
Congratulations Anna Koval! Nurunnaby Chowdhury User: nhasive Member, IEG committee Sysop, Bengali Wikipedia On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:31 AM, Mile Kiš mil...@vikimedija.org wrote: Congratulations Anna! Looking forward to work with you. Cheers, Mile Kiš Vikimedija Srbije -