date:20141203

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:

I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our banners
are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get bigger
and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an
exception.
However, this year the banners didn't just get bigger, the copy seems to
be
more fear inducing as well.

Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was in
financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the content
still be available so that it could be resurrected? I assured him that
Wikimedia is healthy, has reserves, and successfully reaches the budget
every year. Basically I said there wasn't much to worry about, because
there
isn't.

The messaging being used is actively scaring people. This isn't the first
person that's asked me about this. When they find out there's not a real
problem, their reaction quickly changes. They become angry. They feel
manipulated.

My coworker told me that he donates generously every year, which is rare
for
him because he doesn't often donate to charities. He said this year's ads
are putting him off. He doesn't feel like he should donate.

I understand that efficient banner ads are good, because they reduce the
number of times people need to see the ad, but it's not great when people
stop posting funny banner memes and start asking Wikimedia to switch to
an
advertising model (seriously, do a quick twitter search).

- Ryan Lane

Excuse the cynicism, but maybe automating the message to go out every year
on the first week of December will save you frustration and effort. I know
how this will end. It'll end like last year, and the year before, etc. etc.
Where we conclude, yes, what we did now really cross the line, we have to
tone it down a bit, with thank yous to those concerned, and apologies for
taking it too far. I have no doubt it's exactly the same next year. So
please see the email below I'll automate for the first week of December for
now on.

Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser as
quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep the
yearly donation drive as short as possible.

Yet the banners I'm seeing this year leave me troubled about the appearance
and the message presented. For the appearance, it is the size and
obnoxiousness that bothers me. They seem to be designed to annoy the reader
as much as possible. I know they only work when people notice them but do
we really *have* to (select one from list: play audio/ obscure our content
forcing a click through / use animated content / take up the majority of
the screen above the fold). It annoys our users, the people we do it all
for, to no end. Take a look at Twitter, it's not just one or two people.

Secondly I'm alarmed about the content. That should come to no surprise to
the fundraising team, because I can't imagine this content hasn't been
written to evoke the maximum amount of alarm.
But it crosses the line towards dishonesty. Yes the WMF can use the
donations, and yes they generally spend it well. But the lights won't go
off next week if You don't donate Now. The servers won't go offline. We're
not on immediate danger. Yet that's what this year's campaign seems to want
the message to be. But don't take my word for it, take a look at the
messages accompanying the donations. People are genuinely worried. They
will be angry if they find out they're being manipulated, and they would be
right. Generally I'm proud of what we do as movement and proud of much of
the way we do it. These banners make me ashamed of the movement I'm part
of. And frustrated that I seem to be unable to change it in the long run, I
think I may have send out a similar email to this one last year.

For now, two requests.
# could you please stop misleading the reader in our appeal?
# could you please make the banners a little less invasive? So that the
don't obscure content unless dismissed, and so that they take up more than
50% of the space above the fold.

I know you work hard for the fundraiser to be successful, and as brief as
possible, but please take in consideration the dangers of damaging our
reputation for openness and honesty, and the impact on our volunteers.

Kind regards,

--Martijn

I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around
10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly
coincidence with this one, that would help.

For reference, there was an article in The Register on this a couple of
days ago:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/penniless_and_desperate_wikipedia_sits_on_60m_cash/

Slashdot:

http://news.slashdot.org/story/14/12/02/1528227/a-mismatch-between-wikimedias-pledge-drive-and-its-cash-on-hand

Discussion of the Register article on Jimmy Wales' talk page:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Charles Gregory

I don't think anyone is surprised when the Reg publishes a negative article
about Wikipedia/Wikimedia.  Someone there seems to have had an axe to grind
for years.

But in this case, we certainly need to stop giving them the ammo.

Regards,
Charles



On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra 
 martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
 wrote:


   I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our
 banners
   are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get
 bigger
   and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an
  exception.
   However, this year the banners didn't just get bigger, the copy seems
 to
  be
   more fear inducing as well.
  
   Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was
 in
   financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the content
   still be available so that it could be resurrected? I assured him that
   Wikimedia is healthy, has reserves, and successfully reaches the budget
   every year. Basically I said there wasn't much to worry about, because
  there
   isn't.
  
   The messaging being used is actively scaring people. This isn't the
 first
   person that's asked me about this. When they find out there's not a
 real
   problem, their reaction quickly changes. They become angry. They feel
   manipulated.
  
   My coworker told me that he donates generously every year, which is
 rare
  for
   him because he doesn't often donate to charities. He said this year's
 ads
   are putting him off. He doesn't feel like he should donate.
  
   I understand that efficient banner ads are good, because they reduce
 the
   number of times people need to see the ad, but it's not great when
 people
   stop posting funny banner memes and start asking Wikimedia to switch to
  an
   advertising model (seriously, do a quick twitter search).
  
   - Ryan Lane
  
 
  Excuse the cynicism, but maybe automating the message to go out every
 year
  on the first week of December will save you frustration and effort. I
 know
  how this will end. It'll end like last year, and the year before, etc.
 etc.
  Where we conclude, yes, what we did now really cross the line, we have to
  tone it down a bit, with thank yous to those concerned, and apologies for
  taking it too far. I have no doubt it's exactly the same next year. So
  please see the email below I'll automate for the first week of December
 for
  now on.
 
  Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser
 as
  quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep
 the
  yearly donation drive as short as possible.
 
  Yet the banners I'm seeing this year leave me troubled about the
 appearance
  and the message presented. For the appearance, it is the size and
  obnoxiousness that bothers me. They seem to be designed to annoy the
 reader
  as much as possible. I know they only work when people notice them but do
  we really *have* to (select one from list:  play audio/ obscure our
 content
  forcing a click through / use animated content / take up the majority of
  the screen above the fold). It annoys our users, the people we do it all
  for, to no end. Take a look at Twitter, it's not just one or two people.
 
  Secondly I'm alarmed about the content. That should come to no surprise
 to
  the fundraising team, because I can't imagine this content hasn't been
  written to evoke the maximum amount of alarm.
  But it crosses the line towards dishonesty. Yes the WMF can use the
  donations, and yes they generally spend it well. But the lights won't go
  off next week if You don't donate Now. The servers won't go offline.
 We're
  not on immediate danger. Yet that's what this year's campaign seems to
 want
  the message to be. But don't take my word for it, take a look at the
  messages accompanying the donations. People are genuinely worried. They
  will be angry if they find out they're being manipulated, and they would
 be
  right. Generally I'm proud of what we do as movement and proud of much of
  the way we do it. These banners make me ashamed of the movement I'm part
  of. And frustrated that I seem to be unable to change it in the long
 run, I
  think I may have send out a similar email to this one last year.
 
  For now, two requests.
  # could you please stop misleading the reader in our appeal?
  # could you please make the banners a little less invasive? So that the
  don't obscure content unless dismissed, and so that they take up more
 than
  50% of the space above the fold.
 
  I know you work hard for the fundraiser to be successful, and as brief as
  possible, but please take in consideration the dangers of damaging our
  reputation for openness and honesty, and the impact on our volunteers.
 
  Kind regards,
 
  --Martijn
 
  I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around
  10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

Note that there is a parallel e-mail campaign, which also seems to have
ruffled some feathers.

https://twitter.com/williampietri/status/539861727517868032

As shown in the screenshot of that tweet, the sender is Jimmy Wales,
Wikipedia, and the wording begins:

---o0o---

Dear name,

Thank you for helping keep Wikipedia online and ad-free. I'm sure you're
busy, so I'll get right to it. We need your help again this year. Please
help us forget about fundraising and get back to improving Wikipedia.

If all our past donors simply gave again today, we wouldn't have to worry
about fundraising for the rest of the year.

We are the small non-profit that runs one of the top websites in the world.
We only have about 200 staff but serve 500 million users, and have costs
like any other top site: servers, power, programs, and ...

---o0o---

The subject line is name, I'll keep it short.

Best,
Andreas

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Charles Gregory wmau.li...@chuq.net
wrote:

 I don't think anyone is surprised when the Reg publishes a negative article
 about Wikipedia/Wikimedia.  Someone there seems to have had an axe to grind
 for years.

 But in this case, we certainly need to stop giving them the ammo.

 Regards,
 Charles



 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:05 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Martijn Hoekstra 
  martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
 
I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our
  banners
are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get
  bigger
and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an
   exception.
However, this year the banners didn't just get bigger, the copy seems
  to
   be
more fear inducing as well.
   
Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was
  in
financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the
 content
still be available so that it could be resurrected? I assured him
 that
Wikimedia is healthy, has reserves, and successfully reaches the
 budget
every year. Basically I said there wasn't much to worry about,
 because
   there
isn't.
   
The messaging being used is actively scaring people. This isn't the
  first
person that's asked me about this. When they find out there's not a
  real
problem, their reaction quickly changes. They become angry. They feel
manipulated.
   
My coworker told me that he donates generously every year, which is
  rare
   for
him because he doesn't often donate to charities. He said this year's
  ads
are putting him off. He doesn't feel like he should donate.
   
I understand that efficient banner ads are good, because they reduce
  the
number of times people need to see the ad, but it's not great when
  people
stop posting funny banner memes and start asking Wikimedia to switch
 to
   an
advertising model (seriously, do a quick twitter search).
   
- Ryan Lane
   
  
   Excuse the cynicism, but maybe automating the message to go out every
  year
   on the first week of December will save you frustration and effort. I
  know
   how this will end. It'll end like last year, and the year before, etc.
  etc.
   Where we conclude, yes, what we did now really cross the line, we have
 to
   tone it down a bit, with thank yous to those concerned, and apologies
 for
   taking it too far. I have no doubt it's exactly the same next year. So
   please see the email below I'll automate for the first week of December
  for
   now on.
  
   Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the
 fundraiser
  as
   quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep
  the
   yearly donation drive as short as possible.
  
   Yet the banners I'm seeing this year leave me troubled about the
  appearance
   and the message presented. For the appearance, it is the size and
   obnoxiousness that bothers me. They seem to be designed to annoy the
  reader
   as much as possible. I know they only work when people notice them but
 do
   we really *have* to (select one from list:  play audio/ obscure our
  content
   forcing a click through / use animated content / take up the majority
 of
   the screen above the fold). It annoys our users, the people we do it
 all
   for, to no end. Take a look at Twitter, it's not just one or two
 people.
  
   Secondly I'm alarmed about the content. That should come to no surprise
  to
   the fundraising team, because I can't imagine this content hasn't been
   written to evoke the maximum amount of alarm.
   But it crosses the line towards dishonesty. Yes the WMF can use the
   donations, and yes they generally spend it well. But the lights won't
 go
   off next week if You don't donate Now. The servers won't go offline.
  We're
   not on immediate danger. Yet that's what this year's campaign seems to
  want
   the message to be. But don't take my word for it, take a look at the
   messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Martijn Hoekstra

On Dec 3, 2014 12:00 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote:

 Martijn Hoekstra, 03/12/2014 10:13:

 I will automate this message for the first Tuesday of December, around
 10:00 a.m. UTC. If others could automate their messages to not exactly
 coincidence with this one, that would help.


 Why December? Fundraising banners are up all year long. Due to the
banners, there are concerned citizens who literally stop me while I walk in
Milan to ask me what's going on, pretty much any time.

 Nemo

I could do it monthly, but that would probably become disruption.

I now regret that I didn't think of disrupting Wikipedia to raise a fund
earlier. Then again, it's probably for the better.

-Martijn



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Congratulations

Congratulation to all!

Cheers!


On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Andrea Zanni zanni.andre...@gmail.com
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 congratulation to all.
 Cheers!





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

Welcome Giuliana..Congratulation..

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Welcome Giuliana. WMMX desires you a lot of success in this new
 appointment.

 Congrats to WMIT! Extra point for you for getting a ED with understanding
 of Spanish :P

 Auguri!

 2014-12-02 23:31 GMT-06:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org:

  Congratulations to WMIT!  And it is heartwarming to learn of this final
 act
  of service by our late friend and colleague Alessio.
 
  Tanti auguri!
 
 A.
 
  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Andrea Zanni andrea.za...@wikimedia.it
 
  wrote:
 
   Hello everybody,
  
   It's with great pleasure that I announce Giuliana Mancini as the new
   Executive Director of Wikimedia Italia.
  
   It took us over 6 months to select her within a pool of 450 candidates:
  it
   has been an incredibly hard work, and tough decisions were made.
   I'd like to acknowledge that one of the most active members of the
   selective committee was Alessio Guidetti aka Cotton, who recendly
 passed:
   it saddens us to know that he won't have the chance to see her working
  with
   us.
  
   But this is a moment of joy, because the Wikimedia family just got a
 new
   member.
   Giuliana will help us become a more mature and structured association:
  her
   deep experience and competence will be used to for make Wikimedia
 Italia
   scale and increase its impact in the world of free and open knowledge.
  
   Before being appointed Executive Director at Wikimedia Italia, in the
  last
   12 years, she has covered several roles of increasing commitment in the
   field of arts and culture. She spent 9 years in a grant making
 foundation
   where she supervised the activities of a cello academy and the concerts
  of
   an ensemble of classical musicians, assisting the board in setting
   strategies and coordinating the comprehensive management.
   She participated in the board of a company in the field of Fine Arts
  with a
   mandate for promotion of a multimedia exhibition, creating strategic
   relationship with Italian and foreigner museums.
   She drafted several feasibility studies and business plans for theatres
  and
   other cultural institutions as well as for start up companies.
   She can speak English fluently and has a good understanding of Spanish
  and
   French, and she graduated in Economics and in Law (her second degree
 was
   completed while working).
  
   She was officially introduced to the Wikimedia Italia assembly this
   Saturday, and this is her second week of work.
  
   Please welcome her in our incredible Wikimedia movement.
  
   Best regards,
  
   Andrea Zanni
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.

Congratulations WMDE new board!


On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 Congratulations to WMDE





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[Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni

Hi,

I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English
Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which
said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.

I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
vaguely.

I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.

Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd love
to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
decision by the Foundation?

Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Liam Wyatt

Nicely put Martijn. Many a true word is spoken in jest.

Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email)
as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your
work. You should continue to take great personal pride in the crucial role
you play to make our [puzzle-]globe keep spinning each year! I also
appreciate that you're in a sticky position of needing to try new things
but also receiving flak when you do.

Perhaps as a practical suggestion, so we can avoid this discussion
happening *again *next year, it would be worth all of us collaborating here:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles

Perhaps it is worthwhile adding a section to this page which lists the more
practical expectations about the fundraising banners which we have
developed by consensus over the years. Things like no animations/sounds,
no obscuring of the content, no popups and no threats/warnings without
genuine cause.
I'd personally like to add two more things:
- easily dismissible on mobile (because I've unintentionally clicked the
banner with my finger many times when trying to press the impossibly-small
x icon to dismiss the banner on my phone) and
- Tell the OTRS team and appropriate Chapter (when applicable) when any
major change (such as adding/removing a new payment method) happens in that
language/country.


These Fundraising principles, according to that Meta page, are from
...an October,
2010 letter
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Wikimedia_fundraising_principles
and
a January, 2012 WMF resolution
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Developing_Scenarios_for_future_of_fundraising#Guidelines_for_Funds_Distribution_Scenarios.
The page itself was primarily edited by WMF Board of Trustees Stu and SJ.

I would argue that it is possible that several of these principles are not
being followed, at least according to the recent discussions on this list.
Including:
- *Transparency*: All Wikimedia fundraising activities must be truthful
with prospective donor. Instead, the public seems to be questioning if the
messages are truthful about our financial stability.
- *Maximal Participation*: ...we should empower individuals and groups
world-wide to constructively contribute to direct messaging. Instead,
rather than being ambassadors for our mission, wikimedians are feeling
increasingly embarrassed when their friends/public ask about the
fundraising campaign.
-*Minimal disruption*: ...causing minimal disruption and annoyance for
users of the projects Instead, a desire to finish fundraising quickly is
given higher priority. Even though that is *not *one of the stated
principles.
-*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest
possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent
discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands and
impossible from Russia [did they get a response yet, by the way?] I'd also
add that I'll keep it short as a subject-line for the fundraising email
feels to me like an Americanism that would be far too casual to be taken
seriously in many other cultures.


-Liam

On 3 December 2014 at 10:13, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes:
 
  
  
   As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising
   campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on the
   mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign, and where we are on our
 goals
   this year to-date.
  
   Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers on
   English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. Our
 end
   of year campaign goal is $20 million. As Lila mentioned, our goal is to
   serve more powerful reminders to be able to limit the total number of
   banners each reader sees. We are constantly experimenting with new
 methods
   to reach our readers and optimize the donation experience.
  
 
  I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our banners
  are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get bigger
  and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an
 exception.
  However, this year the banners didn't just get bigger, the copy seems to
 be
  more fear inducing as well.
 
  Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was in
  financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the content
  still be available so that it could be resurrected? I assured him that
  Wikimedia is healthy, has reserves, and successfully reaches the budget
  every year. Basically I said there wasn't much to worry about, because
 there
  isn't.
 
  The messaging being used is actively scaring people. This isn't the first
  person that's asked me about this. When they find out there's not a real
  problem, their reaction quickly changes. They become angry. They feel

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Congratulations!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni

... Oh, actually now I see at the top of the English Wikipedia source
editing page: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and
redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions.

As far I recall, however, it was near the Save button, and it definitely
said something more hard-core, like it will be edited mercilessly.

And I can't find anything like that in the Visual Editor.


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2014-12-03 15:08 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:

 Hi,

 I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English
 Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which
 said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.

 I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
 vaguely.

 I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.

 Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
 decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd love
 to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Andrew Gray

I remember edited mercilessly as well...

The current message is from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn and
dates from 2012. I wonder if this was changed when the ToU came in?

An unscientific hint is that posters to the Wikimedia mailing lists
more or less stopped using mercilessly in 2009 ;-)

Andrew.

On 3 December 2014 at 13:11, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
 ... Oh, actually now I see at the top of the English Wikipedia source
 editing page: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and
 redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions.

 As far I recall, however, it was near the Save button, and it definitely
 said something more hard-core, like it will be edited mercilessly.

 And I can't find anything like that in the Visual Editor.


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 2014-12-03 15:08 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il:

 Hi,

 I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English
 Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which
 said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.

 I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
 vaguely.

 I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.

 Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
 decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd love
 to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
 decision by the Foundation?

 Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-03 Thread direttore-generale

Hello everybody,
I am very glad to be part of Wikimedia world. I would like to thank you
all for your warm welcome and for your availability. I will be delighted
to get to know you and work with you.

Ciao a tutti,

Giuliana


 Welcome Giuliana..Congratulation..

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Welcome Giuliana. WMMX desires you a lot of success in this new
 appointment.

 Congrats to WMIT! Extra point for you for getting a ED with
 understanding
 of Spanish :P

 Auguri!

 2014-12-02 23:31 GMT-06:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org:

  Congratulations to WMIT!  And it is heartwarming to learn of this
 final
 act
  of service by our late friend and colleague Alessio.
 
  Tanti auguri!
 
 A.
 
  On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Andrea Zanni
 andrea.za...@wikimedia.it
 
  wrote:
 
   Hello everybody,
  
   It's with great pleasure that I announce Giuliana Mancini as the new
   Executive Director of Wikimedia Italia.
  
   It took us over 6 months to select her within a pool of 450
 candidates:
  it
   has been an incredibly hard work, and tough decisions were made.
   I'd like to acknowledge that one of the most active members of the
   selective committee was Alessio Guidetti aka Cotton, who recendly
 passed:
   it saddens us to know that he won't have the chance to see her
 working
  with
   us.
  
   But this is a moment of joy, because the Wikimedia family just got a
 new
   member.
   Giuliana will help us become a more mature and structured
 association:
  her
   deep experience and competence will be used to for make Wikimedia
 Italia
   scale and increase its impact in the world of free and open
 knowledge.
  
   Before being appointed Executive Director at Wikimedia Italia, in
 the
  last
   12 years, she has covered several roles of increasing commitment in
 the
   field of arts and culture. She spent 9 years in a grant making
 foundation
   where she supervised the activities of a cello academy and the
 concerts
  of
   an ensemble of classical musicians, assisting the board in setting
   strategies and coordinating the comprehensive management.
   She participated in the board of a company in the field of Fine Arts
  with a
   mandate for promotion of a multimedia exhibition, creating strategic
   relationship with Italian and foreigner museums.
   She drafted several feasibility studies and business plans for
 theatres
  and
   other cultural institutions as well as for start up companies.
   She can speak English fluently and has a good understanding of
 Spanish
  and
   French, and she graduated in Economics and in Law (her second degree
 was
   completed while working).
  
   She was officially introduced to the Wikimedia Italia assembly this
   Saturday, and this is her second week of work.
  
   Please welcome her in our incredible Wikimedia movement.
  
   Best regards,
  
   Andrea Zanni
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Appointment of Delphine Ménard, Lodewijk Gelauff and Bence Damokos as AffCom Advisers

2014-12-03 Thread Sydney Poore

Delphine Ménard], Lodewijk Gelauff, and Bence Damokos,

Thank you all for offering your services to the wikimedia movement to give
your expertise to this important committee.

Warm regards,
Sydney

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at Cochrane Collaboration

On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Carlos M. Colina ma...@wikimedia.org.ve
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 Dear all,

 Recently the Affiliations Commitee, in order to improve its governance and
 in its need for improvement and organizational advise, voted in favor of
 appointing Delphine Ménard [1], Lodewijk Gelauff [2] and Bence Damokos [3]
 as non-voting advisers . They have provided this committee during their
 respective tenures as full members of this committee with invaluable
 expertise, governance advise and language and communication skills. Hence,
 this committee has decided to appoint them as advisers for a term ending on
 Deceber 31, 2016.

 Many thanks in advance to Delphine, Lodewijk and Bence for their
 contributions and support to the Affiliations Committee. And of course,
 congratulations!

 Best regards,
 Carlos

 1: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
 Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_
 adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014
 2: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
 Resolutions/Appointment_of_Delphine_M%C3%A9nard_as_
 adviser_%E2%80%93_November_2014
 3: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee/
 Resolutions/Appointment_of_Bence_Damokos_as_adviser_%E2%
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread rubin.happy

No response yet :(

2014-12-03 16:09 GMT+03:00 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:

 -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest
 possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent
 discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands and
 impossible from Russia [did they get a response yet, by the way?] I'd also
 add that I'll keep it short as a subject-line for the fundraising email
 feels to me like an Americanism that would be far too casual to be taken
 seriously in many other cultures.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Gerard Meijssen

Hoi.
The chapters are not relevant here. It is only the WMF who raises funds.
With more chapters the public is better served. Now THAT is worth the money
we are asking for.

Also the fundraising is NOT for Wikipedia. It is for the whole of our
movement and for all of our products.
Thanks,
 GerardM

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 * Martijn Hoekstra wrote:
 Dear fundraising team. Thank you for your efforts to make the fundraiser
 as
 quick as possible. I understand that effective banners allow us to keep
 the
 yearly donation drive as short as possible.

 Considering the rate at which the Foundation and its Chapters increase
 and want to increase revenue, it is unlikely anybody is really trying
 to optimise how long it takes to collect enough money to keep Wikipedia
 online and ad-free for another year.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Lane Rasberry

Hello,

This text has been a part of the five pillars for a long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

Wikipedia is free content that anyone can use, edit, and distribute: Since
all editors freely license their work to the public, no editor owns an
article and any contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and
redistributed. Respect copyright laws, and never plagiarize from sources.
Borrowing non-free media is sometimes allowed as fair use, but strive to
find free alternatives first.

yours,

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:15 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk
wrote:

 I remember edited mercilessly as well...

 The current message is from
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Editpage-head-copy-warn and
 dates from 2012. I wonder if this was changed when the ToU came in?

 An unscientific hint is that posters to the Wikimedia mailing lists
 more or less stopped using mercilessly in 2009 ;-)

 Andrew.

 On 3 December 2014 at 13:11, Amir E. Aharoni
 amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
  ... Oh, actually now I see at the top of the English Wikipedia source
  editing page: Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and
  redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions.
 
  As far I recall, however, it was near the Save button, and it definitely
  said something more hard-core, like it will be edited mercilessly.
 
  And I can't find anything like that in the Visual Editor.
 
 
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  2014-12-03 15:08 GMT+02:00 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
 :
 
  Hi,
 
  I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English
  Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which
  said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.
 
  I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
  vaguely.
 
  I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.
 
  Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
  decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd
 love
  to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
  decision by the Foundation?
 
  Thanks!
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

Good points.

Many people feel sincere gratitude towards Wikipedia, and its volunteer
writers.

I would suggest that the fundraising messages could *also* mention that
another way people can express their gratitude to Wikipedia would be to
become contributors themselves.

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 1:09 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Nicely put Martijn. Many a true word is spoken in jest.

 Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email)
 as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your
 work. You should continue to take great personal pride in the crucial role
 you play to make our [puzzle-]globe keep spinning each year! I also
 appreciate that you're in a sticky position of needing to try new things
 but also receiving flak when you do.

 Perhaps as a practical suggestion, so we can avoid this discussion
 happening *again *next year, it would be worth all of us collaborating
 here:
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_principles

 Perhaps it is worthwhile adding a section to this page which lists the more
 practical expectations about the fundraising banners which we have
 developed by consensus over the years. Things like no animations/sounds,
 no obscuring of the content, no popups and no threats/warnings without
 genuine cause.
 I'd personally like to add two more things:
 - easily dismissible on mobile (because I've unintentionally clicked the
 banner with my finger many times when trying to press the impossibly-small
 x icon to dismiss the banner on my phone) and
 - Tell the OTRS team and appropriate Chapter (when applicable) when any
 major change (such as adding/removing a new payment method) happens in that
 language/country.


 These Fundraising principles, according to that Meta page, are from
 ...an October,
 2010 letter
 
 https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Wikimedia_fundraising_principles
 
 and
 a January, 2012 WMF resolution
 
 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Developing_Scenarios_for_future_of_fundraising#Guidelines_for_Funds_Distribution_Scenarios
 .
 The page itself was primarily edited by WMF Board of Trustees Stu and SJ.

 I would argue that it is possible that several of these principles are not
 being followed, at least according to the recent discussions on this list.
 Including:
 - *Transparency*: All Wikimedia fundraising activities must be truthful
 with prospective donor. Instead, the public seems to be questioning if the
 messages are truthful about our financial stability.
 - *Maximal Participation*: ...we should empower individuals and groups
 world-wide to constructively contribute to direct messaging. Instead,
 rather than being ambassadors for our mission, wikimedians are feeling
 increasingly embarrassed when their friends/public ask about the
 fundraising campaign.
 -*Minimal disruption*: ...causing minimal disruption and annoyance for
 users of the projects Instead, a desire to finish fundraising quickly is
 given higher priority. Even though that is *not *one of the stated
 principles.
 -*Internationalism*: ...our fundraising practices must support the easiest
 possible transfer of money internationally. Instead, we've had the recent
 discussions about how donating is difficult from the Netherlands and
 impossible from Russia [did they get a response yet, by the way?] I'd also
 add that I'll keep it short as a subject-line for the fundraising email
 feels to me like an Americanism that would be far too casual to be taken
 seriously in many other cultures.


 -Liam

 On 3 December 2014 at 10:13, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  On Dec 3, 2014 3:46 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Megan Hernandez mhernandez@... writes:
  
   
   
As Lila’s email said, we launched our end of year English fundraising
campaign on Tuesday. I wanted to share a little more background on
 the
mechanics of the English Wikipedia campaign, and where we are on our
  goals
this year to-date.
   
Starting today, banners are being shown to 100% of anonymous readers
 on
English Wikipedia in the US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.
 Our
  end
of year campaign goal is $20 million. As Lila mentioned, our goal is
 to
serve more powerful reminders to be able to limit the total number of
banners each reader sees. We are constantly experimenting with new
  methods
to reach our readers and optimize the donation experience.
   
  
   I know I used to write an email internally every year, saying our
 banners
   are getting out of control, but that's because every year they get
 bigger
   and more obscuring of the content. This year, as usual, is not an
  exception.
   However, this year the banners didn't just get bigger, the copy seems
 to
  be
   more fear inducing as well.
  
   Today I had a coworker private message me, worried that Wikipedia was
 in
   financial trouble. He asked me if the worst happened, would the content
   still be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)

The merciless was used in the standardised messages decided by 
referendum in 2009: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update#Proposed_terms_of_use
It got lost in the implementation in 2009: 
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation#Terms_for_edit_screen
And then the message was removed without many ceremonies in 2012: 
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T44491


That said, many wikis (and sometimes even the WMF) edit or replace the 
global messaging (wikimedia-copyrightwarning and formerly also 
wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary) in ways which don't comply with global 
consensus.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread James Forrester

On 3 December 2014 at 05:08, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il
wrote:

Hi,

I have a vague recollection that when I started editing the English
Wikipedia ten years ago, there was a notice near the Save button, which
said something like this: Your changes will be edited mercilessly.

I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
vaguely.

I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.

Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd love
to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
decision by the Foundation?

The messages in question are copyrightwarning
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/languages/i18n/en.json;2e2958d6d9107fcc479183eaf2dc86247f87072e$650
and copyrightwarning2
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/languages/i18n/en.json;2e2958d6d9107fcc479183eaf2dc86247f87072e$651
in MediaWiki core, which still use this term. However, as Nemo says,
Wikimedia cluster wikis use a different message provided by the
WikimediaMessages extension that doesn't currently include the term. I
imagine it fell foul of the work to make the language simple and easy to
understand when those were written.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Stevie Benton

It's still on the WIkimedia UK wiki, but only visible when you are in the
edit window (as below). I always thought it was really harsh and
unwelcoming.

Please note that all contributions to Wikimedia UK are considered to be
released under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike (see
Wikimedia:Copyrights https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Wikimedia:Copyrights for
details). If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and
redistributed at will, then do not submit it here.
You are also promising us that you wrote this yourself, or copied it from a
public domain or similar free resource. *Do not submit copyrighted work
without permission!*

On 3 December 2014 at 16:42, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com
wrote:

 The merciless was used in the standardised messages decided by
 referendum in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update#
 Proposed_terms_of_use
 It got lost in the implementation in 2009: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
 wiki/Licensing_update/Implementation#Terms_for_edit_screen
 And then the message was removed without many ceremonies in 2012:
 https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T44491

 That said, many wikis (and sometimes even the WMF) edit or replace the
 global messaging (wikimedia-copyrightwarning and formerly also
 wikimedia-editpage-tos-summary) in ways which don't comply with global
 consensus.

 Nemo


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Italia Executive Director

2014-12-03 Thread Tanweer Morshed

Congratulations Giuliana!

Tanweer
Wikimedia Bangladesh

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:09 PM, direttore-gener...@wikimedia.it wrote:

 Hello everybody,
 I am very glad to be part of Wikimedia world. I would like to thank you
 all for your warm welcome and for your availability. I will be delighted
 to get to know you and work with you.

 Ciao a tutti,

 Giuliana


  Welcome Giuliana..Congratulation..
 
  On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Salvador A salvador1...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Welcome Giuliana. WMMX desires you a lot of success in this new
  appointment.
 
  Congrats to WMIT! Extra point for you for getting a ED with
  understanding
  of Spanish :P
 
  Auguri!
 
  2014-12-02 23:31 GMT-06:00 Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org:
 
   Congratulations to WMIT!  And it is heartwarming to learn of this
  final
  act
   of service by our late friend and colleague Alessio.
  
   Tanti auguri!
  
  A.
  
   On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Andrea Zanni
  andrea.za...@wikimedia.it
  
   wrote:
  
Hello everybody,
   
It's with great pleasure that I announce Giuliana Mancini as the new
Executive Director of Wikimedia Italia.
   
It took us over 6 months to select her within a pool of 450
  candidates:
   it
has been an incredibly hard work, and tough decisions were made.
I'd like to acknowledge that one of the most active members of the
selective committee was Alessio Guidetti aka Cotton, who recendly
  passed:
it saddens us to know that he won't have the chance to see her
  working
   with
us.
   
But this is a moment of joy, because the Wikimedia family just got a
  new
member.
Giuliana will help us become a more mature and structured
  association:
   her
deep experience and competence will be used to for make Wikimedia
  Italia
scale and increase its impact in the world of free and open
  knowledge.
   
Before being appointed Executive Director at Wikimedia Italia, in
  the
   last
12 years, she has covered several roles of increasing commitment in
  the
field of arts and culture. She spent 9 years in a grant making
  foundation
where she supervised the activities of a cello academy and the
  concerts
   of
an ensemble of classical musicians, assisting the board in setting
strategies and coordinating the comprehensive management.
She participated in the board of a company in the field of Fine Arts
   with a
mandate for promotion of a multimedia exhibition, creating strategic
relationship with Italian and foreigner museums.
She drafted several feasibility studies and business plans for
  theatres
   and
other cultural institutions as well as for start up companies.
She can speak English fluently and has a good understanding of
  Spanish
   and
French, and she graduated in Economics and in Law (her second degree
  was
completed while working).
   
She was officially introduced to the Wikimedia Italia assembly this
Saturday, and this is her second week of work.
   
Please welcome her in our incredible Wikimedia movement.
   
Best regards,
   
Andrea Zanni
   
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] WHO interested in evidence on the impact of CC licensing

2014-12-03 Thread Jean-Frédéric

Hi James,


 I have be trying to convince the World Health Organization to go to a CC BY
 SA license for a few years now.

 Najeeb Al-Shorbaji Director of Knowledge, Ethics and Research at WHO
 states: https://dgroups.org/hifa2015/discussions/35152a41

 We would welcome sharing with us some evidence-based research on how
 licensing works under the Creative Commons attribution licence has made an
 impact in the area of scientific, technical and medical publishing.

 If people know of research articles on this topic please send them my way.


Not research papers either, but a recent explanation on why ESA is sharing
Rosette NAVCAM images under cc by sa.

http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2014/11/04/rosetta-navcam-images-now-available-under-a-creative-commons-licence/


HTH,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov

Hi all,

This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
consequences and we will find flaws.

Now for the specifics:

Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and adjust to
changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable equation.
Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they also
use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see is
counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but they
work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from the
overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased 3rd
party to do some of this analysis.

No -- we are not perfect we are constantly working at improving. There are
a million opinions on how this should be done, and then there is research
and live data. This year we made only minimal changes to the text of the
banner. Next year we are going to play with different messaging, and the
team will welcome you suggestions.

Finally thank you for supporting the team. They are literally locked-up in
a room and working around the clock!
Lila


On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:44 AM, pajz pajzm...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 3 December 2014 at 14:09, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

  Dear WMF Fundraising team, please do not take this thread (or this email)
  as an attack on yourselves or the professionalism that you apply to your
  work.
 

 I would suspect that what drives this is indeed the professionalism of the
 Fundraising team. I don't mean to be overly speculative, but what we are
 talking about here is an issue that doesn't readily translate into metrics.
 Creating and gathering metrics for damage to the Wikipedia brand would be
 extremely difficult and expensive. On the other hand, creating and
 gathering metrics for the number/amount/... of donations received is easy
 and cheap. Relatedly, damage to the Wikipedia brand is not something the
 impact of which you feel directly, while the number/amount/... of
 donations received is something that immediately translates into WMF's
 budget.

 So I assume the Fundraising team is in a somewhat uncomfortable position
 here. Getting them to change the way they run the campaigns might, in this
 case, really not work on its own; rather, in my view, any decision on this
 likely has to come from the very top of the Foundation (those that
 Fundraising reports to), who, to some degree, have to place their gut
 feeling over the implications derived from the available/feasible set of
 hard quantitative metrics.

 Cheers,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia France] WikiCheese crowdfunding - Let's photograph 'em all

2014-12-03 Thread Christophe Henner

110% !!! We bleu our first goal.
Pierre-Yves Beaudouin writes:

 I'm the project leader of WikiCheese.

 KissKissBankBank

Christophe writes:
 Thanks again, I tried to remain brie-f

I had a dream like this last week, full of smoke and gorgons.

Kudos à Pyb, Christophe and all: this looks delicious.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane

Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:

 
 This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
 thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
 equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
 consequences and we will find flaws.
 
 Now for the specifics:
 
 Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and adjust to
 changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
 multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
 parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable equation.
 Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they also
 use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see is
 counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but they
 work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from the
 overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased 3rd
 party to do some of this analysis.
 

I was unaware of these other metrics that fundraising collects. Can you
share them with us? It would be really great to get information about the
methodology used, the raw or anonymized data, and the curated
data/visualizations that's being used to show there's no brand damage.

Anecdotal evidence and social media suggests the opposite of what you're
saying, so I'm eager to see the evidence that shows nothing's wrong.

- Ryan


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread Amir E. Aharoni

Thanks Nemo and James.

In case you haven't guessed already, I am wondering whether having this
message is a good idea or a bad idea.

I don't really know and I can only make some guesses.

I knew what a wiki was when I first encountered Wikipedia in 2004. Because
of this, the edited mercilessly part made sense to me, but I was still
happy to see that message - it helped me know that I indeed understand what
wiki means. I presume that a lot of other people didn't know what a wiki
is back then, because Wikipedia was the first wiki that became so popular,
and that's probably why the message was put there.

In 2014, Wikipedia is still more popular than any other wiki, by far. I
(further) presume that lot of people today don't know what a wiki actually
is, and just think that it's the shorter name of that website that keeps
popping up when they google for stuff. If this is true, then when new users
try to join, they are likely not to fully understand that their
contributions will be edited mercilessly.

So what I'm wondering about is:
Should that message be put back there to set the right expectations?
Should it be put back only on article creation, to make sure that people
don't think that they own the articles they are creating?
Should it not be put back there because people just need to be smart enough
to figure out for themselves that if they can edit an article, everybody
else can, too?
Should it not be put back there because it would create clutter?
Should it not be put back there because the word mercilessly is quite
unpleasant? Should any other message be put instead?

I honestly don't know; I'm just throwing ideas around, and your input is
welcome. As always, I'd be especially happy to hear opinions not just from
the English Wikipedia.

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2014-12-03 19:01 GMT+02:00 James Forrester jforres...@wikimedia.org:

On 3 December 2014 at 05:08, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il

wrote:

Hi,

I remember similar notices in other languages as well, though even more
vaguely.

I don't see it now. I checked English, Hebrew and Russian.

Does anybody know why was it removed? Did the editors communities just
decide independently to remove it for whatever reason? If it was, I'd
love
to see links to discussions if anybody has them. Or was it a design
decision by the Foundation?

The messages in question are copyrightwarning

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/languages/i18n/en.json;2e2958d6d9107fcc479183eaf2dc86247f87072e$650

and copyrightwarning2

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/diffusion/MW/browse/master/languages/i18n/en.json;2e2958d6d9107fcc479183eaf2dc86247f87072e$651

in MediaWiki core, which still use this term. However, as Nemo says,
Wikimedia cluster wikis use a different message provided by the
WikimediaMessages extension that doesn't currently include the term. I
imagine it fell foul of the work to make the language simple and easy to
understand when those were written.

J.
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Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lodewijk

Hi Lila,

Thanks for your response. In the past, fundraising was more of a
collaborative effort - maybe it would make sense to rethink the fundraising
process after this round, and see how the community can be made co-own the
process, so that the work of the team becomes easier, and friction less. I
think that would be a way to solve a lot of the hurdles we're encountering
right now.

Best,
Lodewijk

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:

 
  This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
  thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
  equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
  consequences and we will find flaws.
 
  Now for the specifics:
 
  Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and adjust
 to
  changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
  multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
  parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable equation.
  Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they also
  use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see is
  counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but they
  work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from the
  overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased
 3rd
  party to do some of this analysis.
 

 I was unaware of these other metrics that fundraising collects. Can you
 share them with us? It would be really great to get information about the
 methodology used, the raw or anonymized data, and the curated
 data/visualizations that's being used to show there's no brand damage.

 Anecdotal evidence and social media suggests the opposite of what you're
 saying, so I'm eager to see the evidence that shows nothing's wrong.

 - Ryan


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

It is already co-owned. It is just that people haven't bothered to try talking 
to the Fundraising Team.

Is it time to rename Teams to something else, something that suggests that they 
don't work in a cave on the Moon?

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On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 08:32, Lodewijk wrote:
 Hi Lila,
 
 Thanks for your response. In the past, fundraising was more of a
 collaborative effort - maybe it would make sense to rethink the fundraising
 process after this round, and see how the community can be made co-own the
 process, so that the work of the team becomes easier, and friction less. I
 think that would be a way to solve a lot of the hurdles we're encountering
 right now.
 
 Best,
 Lodewijk
 
 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:
 
  
   This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
   thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
   equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
   consequences and we will find flaws.
  
   Now for the specifics:
  
   Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and adjust
  to
   changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
   multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
   parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable equation.
   Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they also
   use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see is
   counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but they
   work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from the
   overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased
  3rd
   party to do some of this analysis.
  
 
  I was unaware of these other metrics that fundraising collects. Can you
  share them with us? It would be really great to get information about the
  methodology used, the raw or anonymized data, and the curated
  data/visualizations that's being used to show there's no brand damage.
 
  Anecdotal evidence and social media suggests the opposite of what you're
  saying, so I'm eager to see the evidence that shows nothing's wrong.
 
  - Ryan
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov

I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in
mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is
otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources,
many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :)

Below is a soundbite I got from many notes I get from our donors, this is
not unusual about this banner:

*...banner on wikipedia today motivated me to donate for the first time.
I think the increased size properly conveyed the importance of the
donations to running the site.  Previous banners were a bit too polite or
subtle to get me thinking.*


On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:

 Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:

 
  This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
  thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
  equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
  consequences and we will find flaws.
 
  Now for the specifics:
 
  Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and adjust
 to
  changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
  multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
  parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable equation.
  Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they also
  use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see is
  counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but they
  work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from the
  overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased
 3rd
  party to do some of this analysis.
 

 I was unaware of these other metrics that fundraising collects. Can you
 share them with us? It would be really great to get information about the
 methodology used, the raw or anonymized data, and the curated
 data/visualizations that's being used to show there's no brand damage.

 Anecdotal evidence and social media suggests the opposite of what you're
 saying, so I'm eager to see the evidence that shows nothing's wrong.

 - Ryan


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Deutschland: New board elected, annual plan postponed.

2014-12-03 Thread Lila Tretikov

Congratulations, new board!

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 5:04 AM, Nurunnaby Hasive n...@nhasive.com wrote:

 Congratulations WMDE new board!
 

 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org
 wrote:

  Congratulations to WMDE





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

I have no doubt that the banners work. But in the opinion of a number of
commentators here, the banners currently feature a very alarming wording –
making it sound as though there is not enough money to keep Wikipedia
online for another year without introducing advertising – and yet we know
that the Foundation has just reported having its healthiest bank balance
ever[1]. The person you quote had no way of knowing that, because the
banner doesn't tell people.

It doesn't seem fair.

[1]
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/e/e3/FINAL_13_14From_KPMG.pdf#page=4

On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:42 PM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:

 I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in
 mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is
 otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources,
 many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :)

 Below is a soundbite I got from many notes I get from our donors, this is
 not unusual about this banner:

 *...banner on wikipedia today motivated me to donate for the first time.
 I think the increased size properly conveyed the importance of the
 donations to running the site.  Previous banners were a bit too polite or
 subtle to get me thinking.*


 On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote:

  Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:
 
  
   This type of fundraising is -- by its very nature -- obtrusive. We are
   thinking about other options. But, as with anything, every action has
   equal and opposite reaction. Anything we do, we have to consider the
   consequences and we will find flaws.
  
   Now for the specifics:
  
   Yes -- the fundraising team works incredibly hard to optimize and
 adjust
  to
   changes in our environment and to minimize obtrusiveness (there are
   multiple ways to measure this: total impressions, % conversions, size,
   parallelizing campaigns, etc.). It is a complex multi-variable
 equation.
   Fundraising uses A/B tests to do much of the optimization, but they
 also
   use surveys, user tests, and sentiment analysis. Some of what you see
 is
   counter-intuitive (even to me, and I have experience with this), but
 they
   work. All of this year's tests showed minimal brand impact even from
 the
   overlay screen. That said, going forward we are considering an unbiased
  3rd
   party to do some of this analysis.
  
 
  I was unaware of these other metrics that fundraising collects. Can you
  share them with us? It would be really great to get information about the
  methodology used, the raw or anonymized data, and the curated
  data/visualizations that's being used to show there's no brand damage.
 
  Anecdotal evidence and social media suggests the opposite of what you're
  saying, so I'm eager to see the evidence that shows nothing's wrong.
 
  - Ryan
 
 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:
 I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in
 mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is
 otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources,
 many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :)

 Below is a soundbite I got from many notes I get from our donors, this is
 not unusual about this banner:

 *...banner on wikipedia today motivated me to donate for the first time.
 I think the increased size properly conveyed the importance of the
 donations to running the site.  Previous banners were a bit too polite or
 subtle to get me thinking.*

Lila, the concern is not that the fundraiser is working, which your
soundbite confirms, but that it is deceiving people, or at least
manipulating them 'too much' to be consistent with our values.

One way to test that would be to organise a survey for donors,
informing them of the current financials, the current strategy
document and current status on achieving that strategy, a breakdown on
where the money is currently going and ask them whether they are happy
with the amount and tone of the information they were given before
being asked to donote.  WMF donors may already being surveyed like
this (ideally done by academics in the discipline rather than WMF
staff/contractors); if so, hopefully that data can be shared.

In addition to the concern about the tone of the fundraiser damaging
the brand, there is a strong correlation between increased WMF revenue
(and the growth of chapters) and the loss of edit contributors.   Has
research been done to rule out causation?  i.e. specifically asking
previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing
whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work
being adequately supported?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

 i.e. specifically asking
 previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing
 whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work
 being adequately supported?

Thanks for your great wording, John.

I belong to this category (somewhat). I stopped contributing because I felt 
that my work is not adequately supported. I felt the need to develop some 
software. I have rather limited free time however, and I've been in the not 
highly productive on-wiki phase for over 3 years now.

Incidentally, one of the entities that doesn't adequately support my work is my 
local chapter. It had been extremely hostile toward Wikimedia movement and 
after learning how it works I had no motivation to continue working with 
Wikimedia projects. How poorly the Wikimedia Foundation itself works wasn't the 
biggest obstacle (I found it mildly approachable and was (and am!) a tiny bit 
happy with it).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread John Mark Vandenberg

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
 John Mark Vandenberg wrote:

 i.e. specifically asking
 previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing
 whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work
 being adequately supported?

 Thanks for your great wording, John.

 I belong to this category (somewhat). I stopped contributing because I felt 
 that my work is not adequately supported. I felt the need to develop some 
 software. I have rather limited free time however, and I've been in the not 
 highly productive on-wiki phase for over 3 years now.

 Incidentally, one of the entities that doesn't adequately support my work is 
 my local chapter. It had been extremely hostile toward Wikimedia movement and 
 after learning how it works I had no motivation to continue working with 
 Wikimedia projects. How poorly the Wikimedia Foundation itself works wasn't 
 the biggest obstacle (I found it mildly approachable and was (and am!) a tiny 
 bit happy with it).

Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter?
Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows?

-- 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

Hi,

On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 12:30, John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
 On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 7:46 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote:
  John Mark Vandenberg wrote:
 
  i.e. specifically asking
  previously highly productive volunteers who have stopped contributing
  whether they feel the increase in funds has not resulted in their work
  being adequately supported?
 
  Thanks for your great wording, John.
 
  I belong to this category (somewhat). I stopped contributing because I felt 
  that my work is not adequately supported. I felt the need to develop some 
  software. I have rather limited free time however, and I've been in the 
  not highly productive on-wiki phase for over 3 years now.
 
  Incidentally, one of the entities that doesn't adequately support my work 
  is my local chapter. It had been extremely hostile toward Wikimedia 
  movement and after learning how it works I had no motivation to continue 
  working with Wikimedia projects. How poorly the Wikimedia Foundation itself 
  works wasn't the biggest obstacle (I found it mildly approachable and was 
  (and am!) a tiny bit happy with it).
 
 Have you looked into the funding situation of your local chapter?
 Does it have large cash reserves and large predicable revenue flows?
 
 -- 
 John Vandenberg

Thanks for the suggestion, but there is not a problem with how it is funded. It 
organizes events which miss the point. 

I would be happy to be more specific, but I will do so at a later point, not 
here and not now; what I was saying was only that *if* we were to do such 
survey, we would need to *also* ask people how happy they are with their 
Chapters activities and adequate support from them. The funding banner is for 
them all, not just WMF, after all.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane

Lila Tretikov lila@... writes:

 
 I would like to expose this more, maybe after this crunch. Just keep in
 mind that it takes time to anonymize and process -- a time that is
 otherwise spent on optimizing or collaborating. One bucket of resources,
 many demands... and I'd like to keep us as lean as we are :)
 

You have a community that's upset because they believe the fundraising
banners are causing long-lasting harm to Wikimedia's brand. The analytics
team can probably spend a few hours handling this. They aren't allocated to
the fundraiser.

If it's so labor intensive to go through this data, then it's likely not
being actively used to make decisions. At minimum the methodology that's
being used can be shared.

 Below is a soundbite I got from many notes I get from our donors, this is
 not unusual about this banner:
 
 *...banner on wikipedia today motivated me to donate for the first time.
 I think the increased size properly conveyed the importance of the
 donations to running the site.  Previous banners were a bit too polite or
 subtle to get me thinking.*
 

Here's the results of a quick twitter search:

Every year, the Wikipedia begging banners get bigger and bigger, now it's
3/4 of the screen

Wikipedia's donation banners are so huge now that they actually startle me
when they load.

.@Wikipedia might as well use their obtrusive donation banners as ad space.
Or whenever they are running low on funds, enable ads.

every time wikipedia asks for money the banners get bigger and bigger

Holy shit, @wikipedia, just have done with it and put ads up—these donation
banners are awful.

remember when wikipedia donation banners used to take up only 5% of the page

I WOULD donate to @Wikipedia but their donation banners are just too damn
small. I can never spot the darn things!

I hate to say this but @Wikipedia's Donate ! banners are very annoying.
Especially when you've already donated  don't like to feel forced

fuck your giant ass banner ads, @wikipedia. i want my previous donations back.

@sillyredfox Those ads are overly obtrusive. Never giving to @Wikipedia
until they're toned down.

I'd rather let Wikipedia mine bitcoin on my machine than be assaulted with
their these aren't ads fundraiser ads.

@codinghorror Considering Wikipedia have 90 mil in cash in the bank, the
ads have an oddly desperate tone.

Dear Wikipedia users: To protect our independence, we'll never run
ads...except the huge one begging for cash you'll see on EVERY PAGE.

There's so, so many more and I only included results that were relevant to
the size or copy.

There's a theme of this search, too. There's not a single positive thing
being said about them. I used to see people joking about the Jimmy banners,
encouraging people to donate. The only jokes I see now are at Wikipedia's
expense.

- Ryan


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

Hi all.

I can see clear interest in everyone on this thread wanting to figure out the 
right way to do it. Let's not jinx it by painting WMF Fundraising as the guys 
who break and community as the gwho rage. Both these groups are rather 
capable of working things out (unlike the ...who break and ...who rage 
terms indicate).

Ryan Lane wrote:
 You have a community that's upset [...]

Don't even say more. We are the supporters of the Wikimedia movement. That 
includes Lila, that includes the fundraising folks, that includes you and me 
and many other people. I don't see a reason to isolate any of these people and 
blame.

I, for one, appreciate Lila for catalyzing this thread into communication with 
Fundraising Team. Such communication was clearly lacking (and when it is, it's 
usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their rage 
instead of communicating it early).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

I wrote:

 it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating their 
 rage instead of communicating it early

I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say:

 it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for 
 accumulating their rage instead of communicating it early

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On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 14:47, svetlana wrote:
 Hi all.
 
 I can see clear interest in everyone on this thread wanting to figure out the 
 right way to do it. Let's not jinx it by painting WMF Fundraising as the 
 guys who break and community as the gwho rage. Both these groups are 
 rather capable of working things out (unlike the ...who break and ...who 
 rage terms indicate).
 
 Ryan Lane wrote:
  You have a community that's upset [...]
 
 Don't even say more. We are the supporters of the Wikimedia movement. That 
 includes Lila, that includes the fundraising folks, that includes you and me 
 and many other people. I don't see a reason to isolate any of these people 
 and blame.
 
 I, for one, appreciate Lila for catalyzing this thread into communication 
 with Fundraising Team. Such communication was clearly lacking (and when it 
 is, it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating 
 their rage instead of communicating it early).
 
 --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising banners (again)

2014-12-03 Thread Ryan Lane

svetlana svetlana@... writes:

 
 I wrote:
 
  it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault for accumulating
their rage instead of
 communicating it early
 
 I unintentionally skipped a couple words. I meant to say:
 
  it's usually both sides of the conversation at fault, *such* *as* for
accumulating their rage instead of
 communicating it early
 

I worked for Wikimedia Foundation for a little over four years. Every year I
(and many other staff members) have expressed worry about the size and
message of the banners. There's been plenty of early communication.

Every year we get promises that they'll work on making the banners better.
However, it seems when they say better, they mean more effective from the
perspective of generating revenue. The message from the fundraising staff
and Lila is more of the same.

This year I've started having people I know worry that Wikipedia is in
financial trouble. It makes me feel ashamed when I have to tell them
Wikipedia is in fact fine, but that the foundation uses this messaging to
more effectively drive donations. It makes them angry to hear it.

I'm not trying to paint this as us vs them. I'm trying to express that
planting heads firmly in the sand is not an effective approach to dealing
with the brand damage that's readily apparent on social media.

- Ryan


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] edited mercilessly

2014-12-03 Thread MZMcBride

Lane Rasberry wrote:
This text has been a part of the five pillars for a long time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Five_pillars

Nice find. For the curious, the phrase was added to the Five pillars
page in May 2005, seemingly copied from the user interface:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=14525251oldid=14496130.

The phrase was introduced to the user interface of the (later to be known
as MediaWiki) software in July 2002, it seems:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/618.

MZMcBride



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