Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 2:29 PM Rebecca O'Neill wrote: > I agree Galder! > > I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw people > to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true of the Irish experience. We have > some idea of an editing community that aren't interested in getting

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Anders Wennersten
In our community (Swedish) we embrace Wikidata wholeheartedly and we have found solution to take care of vandalism. Literialist, show changes on Wikidata on Wikipedia etc. I believe it is more an attitude issue then a technical one. I agree with earlier comments that English Wikipedia is not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
To be honest, Wikidata does have serious vandalism issues which have not yet been solved. It is unlikely the English Wikipedia will have a more close integration with Wikidata until they have been solved. For the record, I am administrator on both projects. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 13, 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When I worked on Ottoman history in Wikidata (I will get back to it again) Catalan was one of the best resources. Thank you :) If you want me to I can share my work/your work on your wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM#Ottoman_Turkey On Sat, 13 Apr 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
I agree Galder! I would like to respond to Phoebe's comment on not wanting to draw people to the *Wikimedia* movement is not true of the Irish experience. We have some idea of an editing community that aren't interested in getting involved in our user group (and probably never will be), so we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Well, that Wikidata problem happens on English Wikipedia. Some Wikipedias (Basque, Catalan, even French) are embracing Wikidata extensively. And there's the branding issue. Maybe Wikipedia is not THE future. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The basic assumption of Wikipedia is the article. When we are truly to reach out and take a next step, it has to be more than Wikipedia, more than obsessing with articles. People are not looking for articles, they are looking for information on subjects. Information on subjects may be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Nathan
On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 12:42 PM phoebe ayers wrote: > > > Dear all, > I haven't weighed in before. But it seems to me there's a simple question > underlying all of this: do we actually want, or need, to increase public > awareness of the Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia chapters/affiliates

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 10:14 PM Zack McCune wrote: > :: Apologies for cross-posting to multiple mailing lists. We want to ensure > we spread the word about this opportunity to as many people as possible. :: > > Hi all, > > We are writing today to invite you to be a part of a community review on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat., Apr. 13, 2019, 2:27 a.m. Gerard Meijssen, < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wikipedia is indeed clearly the core global brand. The notion that > Wikidata will "never match Wikipedia whatever its future success" is a sad > argument. > You misunderstand me. I do not mean in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for your well argued point of view. I followed the statistics as provided by Erik Zachte for a long time and the trend was slowly but surely where based on the statistics of Wikipedia alone English Wikipedia traffic moved slowly but surely from over fifty to under fifty percent.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread
Seeing this "brand" discussion eat up all the limited available unpaid volunteer oxygen on wikimedia-l makes me sad. If the WMF's biggest strategy topic this year is to enter into navel gazing about its brand, then the WMF looks like it has a problem with setting meaningful work for its senior

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Joseph Seddon
> We know our statistics and English Wikipedia is not 50% of our traffic. It > is where over 50% of our resources are spend. > Do we? Based on what? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Wikipedia is indeed clearly the core global brand. The notion that Wikidata will "never match Wikipedia whatever its future success" is a sad argument. Use some hindsight and compare Wikipedia and its impact with Wikidata at the same age, do the same for Commons. It is also a useless argument