Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

I can sympathize with the issue, namely, that it would be nice if only Foundation employees could be allowed admin access on their own wiki. I recall a similar issue (which was not so widely blown up) for our WMNL board wiki in the Netherlands (and yes Phoebe, that is a very boring wiki). I find it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Hi Casey First, I miss seeing you around, in case you are not omnipresent anymore. On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 10:35 AM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > > Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and this > level > > of scrutiny might be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05: > >> [...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can >> >> handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no >> idea this would create dramz. My comment is direct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

* I'm just going to top post here because responding to you in line won't be helpful to anybody.The staff ARE held to a higher standard, they are held to a higher standard day in and day out. If you don't think they are then you're blind. They get attacked at a level that is NOTHING compared to wh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Casey Brown, 13/05/2013 07:05: [...] [Note that I'm speaking generally -- I personally think Gayle can handle criticism and she seems very nice. She also probably had no idea this would create dramz. My comment is directed towards the general "omg think of the staff member!" response to criticism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Theo10011 wrote: > Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and this level > of scrutiny might be jarring for someone. Comments like these have always bothered me. Gayle isn't some random secretary or new run-of-the-mill employee. She is a C-l

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

* Hi Theo, Thank you for your email. I'm truly sorry that you feel this way. I have been thinking for some time about the issue of finding alternative solutions to Golan-type issues, and frankly I have not been too optimistic in the past. I think it is an important issue to our mission, howeve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Hi Philippe, your message just reminds me a recent message I sent here and a general feeling about sometimes the wiki community only stressing the negative aspects and mistakes we all do (contractors, staff, volunteers etc.) * Highlight the positive aspects and multicultural comparisons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:46 AM, Geoff Brigham wrote: > As Achal pointed out, we will put resources into researching this issue in > depth and hopefully finding a solution that may work. It will probably > take a month or two to ensure we are looking at all possibilities to see if > this is possi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] UK.Gov passes Instagram Act

Hi everyone! I am sorry for replying to this week-old thread, but I just read it and wanted to take the chance adding a short hint: There is a (relatively new) Wikimedia working group on EU policy [1] with an explicit "task force" for the orphan works issue: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/EU_pol

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

So, I took Florence's excellent advice and went for a walk (beautiful day in SF, by the way - absolutely perfect). And I reflected on what I've seen since "flipping the switch" on things last Friday. Here's where I stand, and I haven't discussed this with anyone else at WMF, including Gayle. At

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Gayle Karen Young wrote: > This definitely feels like a bit of trial by fire. True dat. Now that you have received your initiation, there's nothing left to say but WELCOME TO WIKIPEDIA :) Cheers, Russavia ___ Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 5:34 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: > > So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers to > any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread. Try and be a bit nicer please. Gayle is still relatively new and this level of scrutiny

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moving forward: a proposal (Re: Community/WMF)

Afterthought x 3: - WMF and its staff should probably have an explicit understanding that they often need to bend for community approaches and collaboration, and expectations (rather than the other way round). *Rationale: -* WMF needs to ensure that staff know "good ways" to work w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Anyone who has spent time on the projects knows that the tone is often awful. The disputes can be bitter, no matter the small stakes, and many people are remarkably quick to snap irritably or to offend indiscriminately. It's been observed that this can have a negative effect on the most regular rec

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Gayle Karen Young wrote: Hello folks, [...] Gayle So what did you want to say? I haven't been able to find any answers to any questions that have been asked by so many people in this thread. -- Tomasz ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wiki

[Wikimedia-l] Moving forward: a proposal (Re: Community/WMF)

I've started a new thread to step back from the long thread, and look forward towards something that I think we need - or might want - to do. This is not at all the first time of clumsy handling, or conflicting actions and perceptions, leading to tensions and drama between the editing community an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:44 PM, Casey Brown wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:15 AM, K. Peachey wrote: > > This is the email that got sent out to everyone, > > For what it's worth, this didn't get sent out to everyone. I was a > bureaucrat and administrator, and have the most edits on that wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Hello folks, So... I caught bits of this while I was on layover between plane flights, so I've had time to have the multiple reactions that one has (nothing like an 11-hour flight to think about a situation). I've had time to feel defensive, insulted, opened, humbled, curious, thoughtful, regretfu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Achal Prabhala wrote: > This looks great, and I was wondering if the last point on the list > (working with other entities) also includes finding a way to placehold > works that have gone out of copyright in other countries, and are hosted > on, say, Wikilivres. T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 12/05/13 02:48, Sue Gardner wrote: > The staff working on the > Wikimedia Foundation wiki have jobs they've got to get done, in support of > the entire movement. If they spend days or weeks needing to persuade a > single community member of the merits of something they want to do on the > Founda

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 05/12/2013 04:42 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > The most he could ask from you is a comment on how frequently you have > to be the one "pushing the button" against the community. Again with this meme! "Against the community". *NOBODY* works "against the community". Sometimes, we do things

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Thanks for clarifying this Phillippe. I must say that I think this discussion is becoming unpleasantly personal (and my initial email on the topic probably didn't help there, I concede). How about we stop pointing fingers at each other and conduct an honest and transparent appraisal of what has h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/12/13 10:45 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Philippe Beaudette wrote: You want an explanation? I'm sure that Gayle will offer one. But for the umpteenth time, I was the person pushing the button because someone had to be. Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was ther

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

MZMcBride, 12/05/2013 22:45: Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was there something preventing Gayle from doing this herself? Be honest, if Gayle had done this herself you would have said that maybe she hadn't read the documentation on Special:UserRights caref

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Philippe Beaudette wrote: >You want an explanation? I'm sure that Gayle will offer one. But for >the umpteenth time, I was the person pushing the button because >someone had to be. Why did you feel compelled to act here when it wasn't your decision? Was there something preventing Gayle from doing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Philippe Beaudette, 12/05/2013 22:23: [...] You want an explanation? I'm sure that Gayle will offer one. But for the umpteenth time, I was the person pushing the button because someone had to be. So lets leave my motivations out of this okay? I'm spending hundreds of hours per month fighting to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:56: On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, please do ask. Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that people can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

That is correct. Because despite your attempts to turn me into the decision making authority here, I wasn't. You don't need to talk to the worker bee who executed, you want to talk to the person who made the decision. That's not me. And she is traveling. And also, you know, I'm working brutal hour

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues (David Cuenca)

As Achal pointed out, we will put resources into researching this issue in depth and hopefully finding a solution that may work. It will probably take a month or two to ensure we are looking at all possibilities to see if this is possible. If you have any great ideas, please feel free to send the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/12/13 9:28 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 12.05.2013 20:44, Florence Devouard wrote: The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS. :( Flore

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 12.05.2013 20:44, Florence Devouard wrote: The multilingualism we hoped so dearly has always been an issue. It is poorly dealt with on the Wikimedia Foundation blog. Poorly dealt with on the Foundation Wiki. Poorly dealt with on OTRS. :( Florence If someone approaches me and asks to writ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Thehelpfulone, 12/05/2013 20:58: For what it's worth, I did try to get some re-translation organised in early February: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF and asked communications staff at the WMF for their input. To be fair to them they did say that they'd look into it and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 12 May 2013 19:44, Florence Devouard wrote: > :) Yeah, pretty bad. > > The main reason I would consider WMF wiki SHOULD NOT be an entirely > staff-controlled and operated site is the fact we originally wanted it to > be at least in part multilingual. > > Current staff does not seem to be very

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/12/13 8:26 PM, Thehelpfulone wrote: On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard wrote: Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not). Mostly in charge,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/12/13 8:13 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard wrote: Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in charge of who is admin and who is not). This is a good idea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard wrote: > Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the > Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in > charge of who is admin and who is not). > Mostly in charge, there are a few exceptions where admin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 12 May 2013 18:47, Florence Devouard wrote: > Alternatively, it might be good to really move as much as possible of the > Wikimedia Foundation Wiki to meta (where at least, the community is in > charge of who is admin and who is not). This is a good idea anyway. Having the WMF wiki become a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] movement blog, not WMF blog, was: Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/11/13 10:03 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: On 11.05.2013 21:26, David Gerard wrote: On 11 May 2013 19:45, rupert THURNER wrote: i would have expected a "movement blog" behind this URL, appropriate to the usage of the domain, but i am not sure if i am completely misreading this? Comcom

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

On 12 May 2013 10:40, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: > > Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, >> please do ask. >> > > Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that > people can start planning? Yes. J

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliations Committee 2012 Annual Report

Nemo, I'm not sure what you mean by a single person's POV. Are you referring to Stephen? While it is true that WMF Legal did the final writing of some guidelines - a few points: 1. They are guidelines - and AffCom has flexibility if it so desires and finds necessary. 2. They were written base

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

On 5/11/13 8:01 PM, Seb35 wrote: Thanks a lot for this explanation. On the other side, wikis not only need content producers (here WMF) but also curators (wikignomes) who are sorting the pages, deleting and moving pages, typocorrecting, templating things, helping new users in formatting texts, e

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

James Forrester, 12/05/2013 19:20: Sorry for the disruption to everyone's plans. If you have any questions, please do ask. Will you still make the lists and send out the notifications so that people can start planning? Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Single User Login finalisation: some accounts will be renamed

All, As an update, I'm afraid to announce that we will have to delay the process for some time. As my previous e-mail states, we had intended to start the final renaming process in the week commencing 27 May. However, given the scale of the task, it now is clear that this would interfere with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Craig Franklin wrote: >Well, perhaps there was extensive consultation from Philippe and Gayle if >it had been planned over a long period of time and I just missed it. If >that's the case, I'm sure that one of them will point it out for us first >thing on Monday morning, at which point I'd have to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

I think you sent this to the wrong David... Good to hear from you, though :-) David Richfield +27718539985 Sent from a mobile device. On 12 May 2013 16:57, "Achal Prabhala" wrote: > Hi David, > > On Sunday 12 May 2013 07:33 PM, David Cuenca wrote: > >> Hi Achal, >> >> For those cases there is a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

Hi David, On Sunday 12 May 2013 07:33 PM, David Cuenca wrote: Hi Achal, For those cases there is a Wikisource clone called Wikilivres, whose server is in Canada and it is operated by a Canadian citizen. http://wikilivres.ca/ Thank you - I've seen it, and think it's great. It is not very fas

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

Hi Achal, For those cases there is a Wikisource clone called Wikilivres, whose server is in Canada and it is operated by a Canadian citizen. http://wikilivres.ca/ It is not very fast, but it serves as storage for such cases since the Canadian copyright law is quite permissive in that regard (50 y

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

Of relevance here: http://www.publicdomainday.org/sites/www.publicdomainday.eu/files/World_copyright-terms.jpg Original Message Subject:Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 14:51:27 +0530 From: Achal Prabhala To:

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikimedia Servers and Copyright Issues

This is a question that came up on the Wikimedia India list, and I suspect the question (and potential solutions) are of interest to several others in our community, esp. from places with shorter copyright terms than the US. Cheers, Achal Original Message Subject:Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Go away, community (from WMF wiki at least)

Well, perhaps there was extensive consultation from Phillippe and Gayle if it had been planned over a long period of time and I just missed it. If that's the case, I'm sure that one of them will point it out for us first thing on Monday morning, at which point I'd have to start removing egg from m