Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Oliver Keyes wrote: I would disagree that the scale does not match. I'm not sure how many people the fundraising banners reach, but I imagine it's a subset of people who use wikipedia. Almost /all/ of our external links are going to be linking to somewhere with a non-compliant privacy policy.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Ryan Lane
A few clarifications inline. On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On the fundraising team we had used banners to host still images (.jpgs) in the past. We wanted to make a video we could put into banners but in July 2012 there was no open source HTML5

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Tilman Bayer
I'd like to hijack this thread a bit to advertise https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:YouTube_files , for cases when one sees a freely licensed video on YouTube that ought to be on Commons too. With WebM available both on YouTube (as one of several download formats, for many videos) and on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Victor Grigas vgri...@wikimedia.orgwrote: In my view, this whole argument would provide reason to: 1.) Only use a third party video option sparingly, as-needed until there are better open-source video options to use. 2.) Put more resources into open source

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread K. Peachey
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: The fundraising team is very careful about making banners that the editors don't notice. Trying to check how the banners are doing is like playing hide and seek, and only a true masochist would do so given how

[Wikimedia-l] Navigation pattern data (was: Suggestion for solving the disambiguation problem)

2013-07-17 Thread Strainu
2013/7/16 Jon Robson jdlrob...@gmail.com: When a user clicks on a link that is a disambiguation page and then clicks on a link on that page we log an event that contains * page user was on before * page user is on now If we were to collect this data it would allow us to statistically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* Tomasz W. Kozlowski wrote: it came to my attention very recently that a link to a YouTube video has been included in our fundraising banners[1] last year, enabling people by default to watch a video about Wikipedia loaded through a YouTube iframe / element. I am told that there are technical

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Victor, Thank you for the great explanation. I myself have often experienced problems with the videos on Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, especially on a mobile device. So if youtube makes it (realistically) possible that people can our videos, I am fine with that. You pointed out rightly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: However, as you correctly write, that banner only served those millions of our viewers a cached image that was uploaded to donate.wm.org (so it was cached the usual way) and /only/ if they had clicked the play

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Victor Grigas
On Jul 17, 2013, at 6:50 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:52 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: However, as you correctly write, that banner only served those millions of our viewers a cached image that was uploaded to donate.wm.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?

2013-07-17 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 07/13/2013 01:00 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: The very first entry on prism-break is TOR, which is blocked on Wikimedia projects for editing, by explicit blocks and by the TorBlock extension, which is enabled on all wikis, even Chinese Wikipedia. That'd be easy to solve were it not for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Bence Damokos
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Victor Grigas wrote: This was because much of the material surrounding the video was written in English, and there was a lot of it, so translation would have been slow, expensive and prone to error.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Victor Grigas
On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:48 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski tom...@twkozlowski.net wrote: Victor Grigas wrote: This was because much of the material surrounding the video was written in English, and there was a lot of it, so translation would have been slow, expensive and prone to error.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Bence Damokos wrote: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/1714329?hl=en Note that just active views will be counted and that it won’t include views from videos set to autoplay. The video that was included in the banners was not set to autoplay, so I can hardly see your point.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Use of YouTube videos in fundraising banners

2013-07-17 Thread Tomasz W. Kozlowski
Victor Grigas wrote: This was because much of the material surrounding the video was written in English, and there was a lot of it, so translation would have been slow, expensive and prone to error. That's what community translations are perfect for; they are free (in terms of licence) and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?

2013-07-17 Thread Risker
On 17 July 2013 10:06, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: That'd be easy to solve were it not for the fact that - on enwp at least - TOR has been (and is being) used almost exclusively for block evasion and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Advocacy Advisors] WMF response to PRISM?

2013-07-17 Thread David Cuenca
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: That'd be easy to solve were it not for the fact that - on enwp at least - TOR has been (and is being) used almost exclusively for block evasion and vandalism. Interestingly enough(?), our desire for transparency and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-17 Thread Anders Wennersten
Seb35 skrev 2013-07-17 15:55: I don’t understand: the results of the Round 2 will be April-May 2014, is it not for the Fiscal Year 2013-14 the non-core WMF will ask funding? If so, this would mean funds will already be spent for the major part and the FDC will have no choice than accept the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-17 Thread Lodewijk
Thanks Anders for sharing this update. Out of curiosity, was this already shared elsewhere? To comprehend the situation fully, what does this mean for the WMF budget for 2013/2014? I mean, to put things a little in perspective: * The annual plan was not shared until some days into the year (Sam

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] (Announcement) Ana Toni Announced as New Wikimedia Foundation Board Member

2013-07-17 Thread Lodewijk
(just for the record, not reflecting at all on Ana's qualities or being unhappy with the actual decision): I understand that the board took this decision online on June 19. I'm a little disappointed it took so long to communicate this to the community: almost three weeks after the decision, a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] (Announcement) Ana Toni Announced as New Wikimedia Foundation Board Member

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes, this took longer than planned. By rights all resolutions should be published within two weeks; thank you for noticing. We discussed the idea of altering the effective date, but decided it wasn't worth it. There were no Board votes during the intervening 8 days; and the end of the term is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Internal-l] 2013-2014 Round 1 FDC eligibility status IRC office hours

2013-07-17 Thread Samuel Klein
Briefly: On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Thanks Anders for sharing this update. Out of curiosity, was this already shared elsewhere? The details, including the idea that WMF would not get FDC review for our 2013-14 plan, were news to me. Currently