Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikiEN-l] access to journals

2013-09-25 Thread Delirium

On 9/24/13 10:13 PM, Andy Mabbett wrote:

On 24 September 2013 14:06, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

I'm now working for the National Library of Australia and we offer free, at
home, access to JSTOR and MANY other restricted access databases to any
Australian, if they get a free library card.
Is this unique to Australia?

My free library subscription in Birmingham, England, gets me access -
from home or indeed anywhere else - to a number of otherwise-paywalled
online databases and services http://www.birmingham.gov.uk/libsubs.



In Denmark, and I believe most of the USA, the norm is only on-site 
access to subscriptions, for the general public. University-affiliated 
researchers do have the option to login remotely, or VPN in to get an 
institutional IP address offsite. But the general public has to use 
library computers to access the subscriptions, or (in some cases) their 
own computers on the library WiFi.


-Mark


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[Wikimedia-l] [Reminder] Language Engineering IRC Office hour on September 25, 2013 at 1700 UTC

2013-09-25 Thread Runa Bhattacharjee
Hello,

This is reminder that the Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be
hosting an IRC office hour from 1700 to 1800UTC later today on
#wikimedia-office (FreeNode). Please see below for the event details.

Thanks
Runa

=== Event Details ===

What: WMF Language Engineering Office hour
When: September 25, 2013 (Wednesday). 1700-1800 UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130925T1700
Where: IRC Channel #wikimedia-office on FreeNode


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[Cross-posted]

Hello,

The Wikimedia Language Engineering team will be hosting an IRC office
hour on Wednesday, September 25, 2013 between 17:00 - 18:00 UTC. (See
below for timezone conversion and other details.) We will be talking
about some of our projects that are in development, a short round up
from Google Summer of Code and then taking questions for the remaining
time.

If there are things that you would like to bring to our attention then
this would be a good time to do so. Questions can also be sent to me
directly before the event. See you there!

Thanks
Runa

=== Event Details ===

What: WMF Language Engineering Office hour
When: September 25, 2013 (Wednesday). 1700-1800 UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130925T1700
Where: IRC Channel #wikimedia-office on FreeNode

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lih
I disagree that this is simply political.

It is very much a culture of ownership -- and a corporate one at that --
being instituted earlier to American kids.

If you remember, it was exactly this problem that inspired Lawrence Lessig
to start Creative Commons in the first place. He observed that there was a
critical inflection point -- when kids are first taught to share and
cooperate and then are flipped to hoard and restrict.

This amplifies hoarding and restricting at the same time kids are taught to
share. I'm glad I moved out of California before this propaganda was
introduced to my kids.

-Andrew





On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:29 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:

 What exactly does this have to do with the WMF? Just because we encourage
 open sharing of data doesn't mean we need to comment on every political
 debate that shows up on the news.

 *-- *
 *Tyler Romeo*
 Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
 Major in Computer Science


 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:21 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:

  On 24 September 2013 17:42, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/
  
   “This thinly disguised corporate propaganda is inaccurate and
   inappropriate,” says Mitch Stoltz, an intellectual property attorney
   with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, who reviewed the material at
   WIRED’s request.
  
   “It suggests, falsely, that ideas are property and that building on
   others’ ideas always requires permission,” Stoltz says. “The
   overriding message of this curriculum is that students’ time should be
   consumed not in creating but in worrying about their impact on
   corporate profits.”
  
  
   I suggest we see if WMF commenting, possibly in a blog post or
   similar, would help avert such anti-sharing foolishness.
  
  
   - d.
  
 
  Might not be a great idea
  Its an improvement on previous attempts (to start with It doesn't appear
 to
  violate the GFDL) and we would actually benefit from our uploaders
 having a
  working knowledge of copyright. Knowing all the exceptions is something
  best left to more experienced users.
 
  --
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[Wikimedia-l] What makes a good small (tech) project

2013-09-25 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
Sometimes I see Wikimedians mention Google Summer of Code when they want
to find someone to work on a code project. (Example: [0]) This makes
sense sometimes. If you think your idea might be a good project for a
student -- or you want help to make it that -- please do put it on the
possible projects page, and Quim or others will help you refine it.[1]
Now's a good time to do that, so that Outreach Program for Women
applicants can consider your idea when they apply for the January-March
round.

For the three-month programming internships, such as GSoC and some OPW
projects, we have to cut down how much they try to do, to make sure it
gets done and gets onto the site. So sometimes we'll need to take only
the simplest part of your idea and turn it into the project idea.

But the only way we can help you get some of your idea made is if we
hear about it! So if you have the seed of an idea, please go ahead and
put it on the possible projects page[1] instead of just saying to
yourself oh it sounds way too big.

Also, check out what some past Outreach Program for Women interns have
done.[2] Maybe your community could use help in systems administration,
marketing, template-making, writing automated tests, or other work that
GSoC won't let us have as a GSoC project.


[0]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2013-March/thread.html#9626
[1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_projects
[2] https://wiki.gnome.org/OutreachProgramForWomen#Previous_Participants
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P.S. After this email, I'm unsubscribing from the wikimedia-l list as
I prepare for my sabbatical, which starts this weekend - more info at
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-August/071542.html
. If you need to talk about Wikimedia technical community stuff or
communication before January, please consult Quim Gil, qgil at wikimedia
dot org, or Guillaume Paumier, gpaumier at wikimedia dot org. Thanks!
Looking forward to coming back in January.

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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: FOSDEM update

2013-09-25 Thread Quim Gil

Hi, just a heads up about http://fosdem.org - Brussels 1  2 Feb 2014.

One of the biggest and coolest grassroots open source events in the 
World - and the main one in Europe.


European orgs and individuals loving software freedom: Wikimedia wants 
to have a stand. Let's do something cool! Get involved.


Discussion better at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM or 
wikitech-l.


Thank you!

PS: read below


 Original Message 
Subject: FOSDEM update
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 10:39:58 -0700
From: Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org
To: Wikimedia developers wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org

Hi, about FOSDEM - https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Events/FOSDEM

Brussels / 1  2 February 2014

On 1 Oct we will know whether our proposal for a Wiki DevRoom has been
accepted or not. This is a DevRoom we have proposed together with XWiki
and TikiWiki and is open to all wiki topics. If we we get it accepted we
will organize a call for participation for this DevRoom.

The call for main track session proposals is open until 1 Oct.
https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-08-06-call-for-participation/

... and the call for lightning talks and stands is open until 20 Nov.
https://fosdem.org/2014/news/2013-09-17-call-for-participation-part-two/

You are encouraged to submit lightning talk proposals! Don worry if you
are unsure between submitting a session for a lightning talk or a
devroom: you can contact both and then they suggest you what to do.

Wikimedia wants to have a stand, and we have received an offer to help
from the nascent Wikimedia Belgium chapter. Probably more help can be
aggregated from CH, DE, FR, NL, UK + other tech contributors in the
region? Let's do something really cool! To be discussed.

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http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lih
It has something to do with countering falsehoods and educating folks about
the full range of content rights.

Their 2nd grade materials state:
Property comes in many forms: when we buy a book, we own that book. It’s
our property, but we don’t own the right to reproduce that book and then
sell it or give it away. That’s stealing.

Um, no. A Creative Commons SA book, a public domain work or expired
copyright work can indeed be reproduced. And it's not stealing.

We are careful to acknowledge the work of authors and creators and respect
their ownership. We recognize that it’s hard work to produce something, and
we want to get paid for our work.

No, not all people want to get paid for their work.


I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to
happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.





On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

  I disagree that this is simply political.


 This doesn't answer my original question. What does this have to do with
 WMF? Wikipedia does not own any public schools in California, nor will
 Wikipedia be affected by this curriculum should it be implemented. The only
 similarity is that is has something to do with knowledge, which is
 extremely vague.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Tyler Romeo
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

 I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to talk
 about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to
 happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.


You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree
that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why
the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue
discussion, about it.

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Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2016
Major in Computer Science
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Andrew Lih
The California school system is the back yard (actually front yard) of both
Wikimedia Foundation and Creative Commons.

From the message on the web site, the WMF is a nonprofit charitable
organization dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and
distribution of free, multilingual, educational content, and to providing
the full content of these wiki-based projects to the public free of charge.

Inside a California public school, the WMF should indeed have an interest
in making sure that students using Wikipedia don't think to themselves that
using such material is stealing and that someone is expecting to be
paid.




On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

  I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to
 talk
  about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to
  happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
 

 You're still just arguing about the correctness of the material. I agree
 that this curriculum is stupid and misleading, but that doesn't explain why
 the WMF should care enough to make a statement, or even continue
 discussion, about it.

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 Major in Computer Science
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread David Gerard
On 25 September 2013 20:23, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

 From the message on the web site, the WMF is a nonprofit charitable
 organization dedicated to encouraging the growth, development and
 distribution of free, multilingual, educational content, and to providing
 the full content of these wiki-based projects to the public free of charge.
 Inside a California public school, the WMF should indeed have an interest
 in making sure that students using Wikipedia don't think to themselves that
 using such material is stealing and that someone is expecting to be
 paid.



Pretty much. It's in our direct interest that this not go ahead as planned.


- d.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Michael Snow

On 9/25/2013 11:33 AM, Andrew Lih wrote:

I'd be OK if they simply gave some space in the training materials to talk
about public domain, free licenses and fair use. That's not likely to
happen given who's in control of those lesson plans.
Because the program in question is intended for elementary schools, they 
claim that the children aren't ready to handle the level of nuance and 
abstract thought involved in those concepts. I might be willing to 
accept that objection, but it really should be taken a step farther. At 
that stage, most children aren't developmentally ready for the level of 
abstraction involved in copyright, period. Neither the things it forbids 
nor the things it allows.


A second-grader who wants to draw Buzz Lightyear, because that's her 
favorite cartoon character and she wants to be an astronaut, is never 
going to understand that Pixar owns the rights to that character and she 
can't do whatever she wants with it. (Honey, why don't you just put 
away the crayons and come play with your action figure instead?) (Yes, 
I know Grandma buys your artwork for a quarter so she can put it on her 
refrigerator, but you're not allowed to give her this one.) You can 
tell her what's allowed and what's not, and she may even comply, but 
there's no way she will understand the reasons, in her mind they will 
simply be rules that you made up.


That's a particularly good sign that the purpose of the materials is 
really propaganda and indoctrination. Regardless of whether the 
curriculum is suitably balanced, the concepts are beyond what's 
developmentally appropriate to be teaching at that level.


--Michael Snow

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 2:43 PM, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

 You are right, that the lack of a national US chapter holds us back.

 The obvious solution is to create a new group: Committee of Wikipedian
 Parents Interested in Education, aka COWPIE


I feel like I'm obligated to make some kind of COWPIE/WALRUS related joke
here but I can't come up with one yet.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread Kat Walsh
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 9:42 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/mpaa-school-propaganda/

[...]


 I suggest we see if WMF commenting, possibly in a blog post or
 similar, would help avert such anti-sharing foolishness


I doubt it would avert it, though pointing it out might at least draw
attention. I agree with the comment that it's a ridiculous idea to
introduce in elementary school (and I would be surprised if it did not
simply die on its own, along with many actual good ideas for curriculum
supplementation that simply can't be packed in to the school day).

Creative Commons now has a blog post up from Jane Park, criticizing the
program and pointing out the alternatives that exist:
https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/39781

(I am reminded of the clever If you don't talk to your children about
copyright, who will?, also available in bumper-sticker format:
http://questioncopyright.com/qco-stk-chld.html )

-Kat

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Planned school curriculum by MPAA

2013-09-25 Thread geni
On 25 September 2013 19:33, Andrew Lih andrew@gmail.com wrote:

 It has something to do with countering falsehoods and educating folks about
 the full range of content rights.

 Their 2nd grade materials state:
 Property comes in many forms: when we buy a book, we own that book. It’s
 our property, but we don’t own the right to reproduce that book and then
 sell it or give it away. That’s stealing.

 Um, no. A Creative Commons SA book,


The course covers creative commons.


 a public domain work or expired
 copyright work can indeed be reproduced. And it's not stealing.


Varies. what can catch you out there is that it may be possible to
copyright typography (in the UK that copyright lasts for 20 years).



geni
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