Re: [Wikimedia-l] how big the foundation should be, was: Why take grants?

2016-02-04 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 12:50 PM, ​Rupert wrote: as food > > > for thought, FIFA has a staff of 300. there are 250 million people > > playing association football worldwide. > > > > best, > > rupert > > > > > -- ​I'm not really sure what you're trying to prove with that example. During the time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] how big the foundation should be, was: Why take grants?

2016-02-04 Thread Pine W
I'm thinking similarly in terms of distributing tasks broadly among an array of Wikimedia affiliates instead of concentrating so many of them in a single entity. Recent events have highlighted the systemic problems that happen when WMF takes a stance against its volunteer communities (such as with

[Wikimedia-l] how big the foundation should be, was: Why take grants?

2016-02-04 Thread rupert THURNER
ha, i read the thread and i did not notice the core question :) lets start from the annual plan then: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_Plan/2015-16 there are 280 persons working for the WMF, all departments are growing. money given to somebody else is shrinking below 10%

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-04 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I totally agree that more money spend on Wikipedia is where we may be at one end of the law of diminishing returns. However, that is Wikipedia. We ask money for the Wikimedia Foundation and it has neglected a wide area of projects where additional money will make a marked improvement. As far

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why take grants? (was: Can we see the Knight grant application and grant offer?)

2016-02-04 Thread Pine W
> On the general topic, the restricted grants received by the WMF have a > beneficial effect that we could wish extended throughout its operations: > because it is responsible to the grantor for producing the results demanded > under the terms of the grant, the outcomes are much more likely to be >