I am sorry to learn that you felt harassed by some users at Greek
Wikipedia. However, you wrote "*From what I understand Wikimedia foundation
is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed*". So they
are interested in helping men who are being harassed? I don't know the
logic behind that comment but it sounds like something that does not exist
anywhere. Allegations of harassment requires strong evidences and in cases
where insufficient evidences were provided, I doubt the WMF will take any
action against the alleged person. This fundamentally have nothing to do
with gender. I'll encourage you to forward any complaints and evidence of
harassment to WMF SuSa. Mailing lists like this is often not the best place
for discussing issues like this. You may want to follow Asaf's advise
On Nov 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής" <
I' m sorry to hear that Portuguese Wikipedia has similar problems as Greek
Wikipedia. Being the victim of harassment from administrators of Greek
Wikipedia (they post my real sex, name and email and archived my personal
data for future use to threaten me and the wikipedians who help me, telling
me that my harassment won t stop just in wikipedia but and in other social
media as the had done in the past) which led me to stop editing even tho
I'm a 100wikidayer and 100wikicommonsdayer and participated in an
international conference here in Greece presenting the work that the
community have done in Wikipedia. I think that letting fellow wikipedians
know about this kind of problems is crucial for the improvement of
community health because it can start some actions to resolve such cyber
crimes. From what I understand Wikimedia foundation is not really
interested of helping women who are being harassed as long as the bullying
is not reported to the police and the bullies are useful in wikipedia
projects as for example hosting a cee meeting or wikimania in Greece. They
are even rewarded with trips and let them participate in projects such as
women in Red, which is actually really funny if you think about it. The
bullies who sent women away from wikipedia are getting grands for
contacting workshops to find women who would like to participate in
wikipedia. :P They present themselves as educators in Greece but really who
would you like persons like that teaching their kids?
There is always a standard answer from wmf when someone complains of being
harassed: they say that this person is bitterful and not talking with
courtesy. In my case SUSA even implied that me (the victim) should
contacted my bullies and ask them politely to stop harassing me and did
absolutely nothing to help me. You see I m only a volunteer and not a
professional wikimedian so I m not really important to them.
I really hope the issues in Portuguese Wikipedia will resolve quickly
because I know how stressful and sad these situations can be not only for
the people involved but for all the community.
On 06/11/2017 11:55 μμ, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> A message from your list moderators:
> This thread does not belong on this list.
> It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community,
> and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution
> through discussion on this list. Those particularly interested and able
> can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia.
> However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that
> can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective
> way to seek help.
> As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment --
> investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement
> department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not
> benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list.
> The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki
> they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already
> pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything.
> Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed the
> Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent
> further escalation.
> (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both
> sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil. WMF has not
> yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several
> alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.)
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to wrote:
> This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends
>> in a "reconciliation".
>> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity