Hi Βικιπαιδιστής, I am sorry to learn that you felt harassed by some users at Greek Wikipedia. However, you wrote "*From what I understand Wikimedia foundation is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed*". So they are interested in helping men who are being harassed? I don't know the logic behind that comment but it sounds like something that does not exist anywhere. Allegations of harassment requires strong evidences and in cases where insufficient evidences were provided, I doubt the WMF will take any action against the alleged person. This fundamentally have nothing to do with gender. I'll encourage you to forward any complaints and evidence of harassment to WMF SuSa. Mailing lists like this is often not the best place for discussing issues like this. You may want to follow Asaf's advise above.
Regards, Isaac On Nov 13, 2017 1:29 PM, "Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής" < anonymuswikiped...@gmail.com> wrote: I' m sorry to hear that Portuguese Wikipedia has similar problems as Greek Wikipedia. Being the victim of harassment from administrators of Greek Wikipedia (they post my real sex, name and email and archived my personal data for future use to threaten me and the wikipedians who help me, telling me that my harassment won t stop just in wikipedia but and in other social media as the had done in the past) which led me to stop editing even tho I'm a 100wikidayer and 100wikicommonsdayer and participated in an international conference here in Greece presenting the work that the community have done in Wikipedia. I think that letting fellow wikipedians know about this kind of problems is crucial for the improvement of community health because it can start some actions to resolve such cyber crimes. From what I understand Wikimedia foundation is not really interested of helping women who are being harassed as long as the bullying is not reported to the police and the bullies are useful in wikipedia projects as for example hosting a cee meeting or wikimania in Greece. They are even rewarded with trips and let them participate in projects such as women in Red, which is actually really funny if you think about it. The bullies who sent women away from wikipedia are getting grands for contacting workshops to find women who would like to participate in wikipedia. :P They present themselves as educators in Greece but really who would you like persons like that teaching their kids? There is always a standard answer from wmf when someone complains of being harassed: they say that this person is bitterful and not talking with courtesy. In my case SUSA even implied that me (the victim) should contacted my bullies and ask them politely to stop harassing me and did absolutely nothing to help me. You see I m only a volunteer and not a professional wikimedian so I m not really important to them. I really hope the issues in Portuguese Wikipedia will resolve quickly because I know how stressful and sad these situations can be not only for the people involved but for all the community. Ανώνυμος Βικιπαιδιστής On 06/11/2017 11:55 μμ, Asaf Bartov wrote: > A message from your list moderators: > > This thread does not belong on this list. > > It is spillover of a long and bitter conflict in the Portuguese community, > and this list's membership is not well situated to contribute to a solution > through discussion on this list. Those particularly interested and able > can participate in relevant threads on the Portuguese Wikipedia. > > However, moving the mutual recriminations onto this list is escalation that > can only upset people and exacerbate the conflict, and is not an effective > way to seek help. > > As was mentioned, the matter involves allegations of harassment -- > investigated by the Support and Safety team in the Community Engagement > department at WMF -- as well as legal action. Both avenues would not > benefit from partial and probably-biased context shared on this list. > > The parties in conflict should continue to seek a modus vivendi on the wiki > they share, on-wiki, as well as through the channels they are already > pursuing. Smearing the other side on this list won't accomplish anything. > > Accordingly, *please stop posting on this thread*. We have also placed the > Brazilians involved in this conflict on temporary moderation, to prevent > further escalation. > > (putting on my WMF hat for a moment -- As a further point of context, both > sides have at one point requested WMF intervention in Brazil. WMF has not > yet announced whether and how it would intervene, though several > alternatives have been discussed. Stay tuned.) > > A. > > On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:47 PM Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > > This is a very complex long-term "war" which, in my experience, never ends >> in a "reconciliation". >> >> Also, honestly, I don't think how can this comply with wikiversity >> mission. >> >> Vito >> >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source= >> link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> Mail >> priva di virus. www.avast.com >> < >> https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source= >> link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail >> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> >> 2017-11-06 15:30 GMT+01:00 mathieu stumpf guntz < >> psychosl...@culture-libre.org>: >> >> Thank Chico and Henrique for your reports and related links. >>> >>> I encourage both of you to document further this topic. But as the >>> >> mailing >> >>> list format might quickly turn it into a flameware, to avoid list >>> moderators some disagreeable work, you could preferably find more suited >>> place to develop your points. Punctual feedback on the list to signal >>> creation or update of additional external resources is welcome, as far as >>> I'm concerned. >>> >>> You might, inter alia, use wikimedia-timeline[1] to generate an overview >>> of main statements you are claiming, each linked to related resources >>> >> which >> >>> let reader deepen their inquiry on the topic if they have interest and >>> resources to do so. >>> >>> If you are interested to turn that in a research project as objective as >>> you might be able to create, I also encourage you to open a research >>> project on a Wikiversity instance, after a check of how such a project >>> might be conducted on the selected instance. You might also like to >>> >> create >> >>> and conduct some interviews and publish them on Wikinews. >>> >>> I hope that the difficult situation you are passing through will end up >>> >> in >> >>> the most contributive, positive and placid possible resolution. >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> mathieu >>> >>> [1] https://github.com/molly/wikimedia-timeline >>> >>> >>> >>> Le 06/11/2017 à 11:59, Chico Venancio a écrit : >>> >>> Ended up with out the links, sorry: >>>> [1]http://www.isitdownrightnow.com/wikibrasil.org.html >>>> [2]https://www.whois.com/whois/107.180.2.118 >>>> [3]http://www.planalto.gov.br/ccivil_03/leis/L9610.htm#art24 >>>> >>>> Chico Venancio >>>> >>>> 2017-11-06 7:53 GMT-03:00 Chico Venancio <chicocvenan...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> To all on the list, *this is characterization is filled with obvious >>>> >>>>> lies.* >>>>> >>>>> The DMCA was filed a month ago simply *DID NOT TAKE the site down*.[1] >>>>> Henrique quickly took down the article offending copyright and Godaddy >>>>> allowed it to continue to be hosted.[2] >>>>> >>>>> Henrique is a paid contractor of the user group Wiki Education Brazil >>>>> that >>>>> has repeatedly harassed several members of our user group (Joalpe and >>>>> myself included). And is probably here acting as a Meatpuppet of >>>>> >>>> another >> >>> user who is under an Office action interaction ban to interact with >>>>> either >>>>> myself or João. >>>>> >>>>> That he goes on an international platform to call on the Dean of the >>>>> university were João works is egregious harassment and WMF should not >>>>> only >>>>> impose severe sanctions, but review both the grant and affiliation >>>>> agreements with the "user group" were this comes from. >>>>> >>>>> On the merits, after the event the organizer harassed several of our >>>>> members, and to me it is completely understandable that João does not >>>>> want >>>>> his name attached to an event that harassed him and others. There was >>>>> >>>> on >> >>> more than one occasion hints of physical violence from a member of Wiki >>>>> Education Brazil, and at one point those hints came to level of >>>>> >>>> actually >> >>> using the words "beating" in reference to another member of our user >>>>> group, >>>>> Teles, who was also called a famous Wikipedia despot, that he needed >>>>> psychiatric attention, and that he needed to find a boyfriend on a >>>>> >>>> public >> >>> facebook thread. >>>>> >>>>> The CC-BY 3.0 Henrique alleges to have on the article is clearly >>>>> >>>> invalid >> >>> for several reasons, one being he did not have one from the co-authors >>>>> >>>> of >> >>> the work. Even if he did, Brazilian law supersedes it and clearly >>>>> >>>> states >> >>> that the author has the inalienable moral right to revoke any license >>>>> >>>> and >> >>> remove from circulation in any form when the use represents an affront >>>>> >>>> to >> >>> his image or reputation.[3] That Henrique confesses that he, and the >>>>> >>>> user >> >>> banned from interacting with myself or Joalpe, knew that license was >>>>> >>>> not >> >>> given by João and that an explicit revocation was placed onwiki, only >>>>> makes >>>>> the copyright violation willful and demonstrates that no assumption of >>>>> good >>>>> faith can be reasonably made. This was an explicit provocation from the >>>>> "User Group" Wiki Education Brazil to João. >>>>> >>>>> Best to all on the Wikimedia Movement, >>>>> >>>>> Hoping for a movement with less tolerance for harassment, >>>>> >>>>> Chico Venancio (User:Chicocvenancio) >>>>> >>>>> 2017-11-06 1:08 GMT-03:00 Henrique de Andrade < >>>>> henriquedeandr...@gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> : >>>>>> Friends, it took me a month to join forces and get the courage to >>>>>> >>>>> write >> >>> the >>>>>> story below. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Wiki Education Brazil user group has had its website [1] shutted >>>>>> down >>>>>> due to an attack using the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), >>>>>> >>>>> and >> >>> the >>>>>> most shocking of this story is that the legal threat was made by a >>>>>> "member" >>>>>> of the Wikimedia community: Mr. João Alexandre Peschanski, who uses >>>>>> >>>>> the >> >>> username Joalpe. >>>>>> >>>>>> My unreal saga began on October 7th when I received an email informing >>>>>> me >>>>>> that the WMF Support and Safety team had received a complaint from >>>>>> Joalpe >>>>>> that his copyright was being violated by the publication on the I >>>>>> CCBWIKI >>>>>> (I Brazilian Scientific Congress of Wikipedia) website of a paper >>>>>> >>>>> which >> >>> he >>>>>> is a co-author. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought this situation was very strange and I imagined it was a >>>>>> misunderstanding. I promptly in good faith emailed Joalpe, copying WMF >>>>>> team, trying to figure out what could have led to this misleading >>>>>> interpretation that we were committing a copyright infringement. In >>>>>> >>>>> the >> >>> email I reminded him that he knows several members of the Wiki Edu >>>>>> Brazil >>>>>> group and that he could communicate directly with us if he was >>>>>> >>>>> bothered >> >>> with something and that, if he wanted to, I could remove from the site >>>>>> the >>>>>> work of which he is a co-author, even though it is on the CC-BY 3.0 >>>>>> license. >>>>>> >>>>>> To my surprise I never received a reply from Joalpe. Instead, two days >>>>>> after my contact arrives a message from GoDaddy (company where the >>>>>> >>>>> Wiki >> >>> Edu >>>>>> Brasil’s site is hosted in the United States) informing that we have >>>>>> received a "complete DMCA complaint", made by the Center for Research, >>>>>> Innovation and Diffusion in Neuromamatics of the University of São >>>>>> >>>>> Paulo >> >>> (CEPID NeuroMat - USP), signed by João Alexandre Peschanski. >>>>>> >>>>>> In this complaint he alleges that in the page that I made with the >>>>>> >>>>> texts >> >>> sent to the I CCBWIKI there would be a text of which he is one of the >>>>>> authors and that he would have revoked our authorization to publish >>>>>> >>>>> it, >> >>> accuses us of not giving the due credits in the work and implies that >>>>>> >>>>> we >> >>> would have copied the content from another conference, prior to >>>>>> >>>>> CCBWIKI, >> >>> where it would have been originally published. >>>>>> >>>>>> I lack words to describe my revolt at such absurd lies. First: not >>>>>> >>>>> only >> >>> was >>>>>> the authorization not revoked but also a Creative Commons publication >>>>>> could >>>>>> not have its permission revoked for sharing. Secondly, in fact his >>>>>> >>>>> name >> >>> did >>>>>> not appear on the page listing the papers, because the main author of >>>>>> the >>>>>> article did not register it correctly in the system, but when clicking >>>>>> on >>>>>> the file his name was in the credits correctly. Third: the published >>>>>> content was exactly the one sent by the author David Fernando Levon >>>>>> Alves >>>>>> on August 29, 2016, and until the current unfortunate legal threat I >>>>>> >>>>> did >> >>> not even know of the existence of Intercom conference, where I now >>>>>> >>>>> know >> >>> that the same paper had been presented in September 9th. >>>>>> >>>>>> And Joalpe knows all about it! Even on page that he links[2] in his >>>>>> complaint saying that is proof of him having revoked our authorization >>>>>> for >>>>>> publication, he clearly says that he disallows the publication of the >>>>>> paper >>>>>> his is the main author, and that he would talk to the other author to >>>>>> propose withdrawing the paper in question, and the chair of the event >>>>>> promptly replied indicating that the dialogue should continue through >>>>>> the >>>>>> conference management system (it is worth noting that he said he would >>>>>> like >>>>>> to withdraw his work because he has never seen an academic conference >>>>>> that >>>>>> does not pay for the transfer and accommodations for all, an argument >>>>>> that >>>>>> does not make any sense to anyone that minimally knows the reality of >>>>>> Brazilian academy). >>>>>> >>>>>> Still bewildered by this nonsense I had to decide what to do. The DMCA >>>>>> notice gave us two options: either to remove the illegally posted file >>>>>> or >>>>>> to contest the complaint. Thinking about justice, we would obviously >>>>>> >>>>> opt >> >>> for the second option because we were not doing anything illegal. But >>>>>> within the cruel logic of the DMCA, we were given an absurd 24-hour >>>>>> deadline to send a response and our page was already off. It is worth >>>>>> mentioning that at that moment our host removed all the pages in the >>>>>> domain >>>>>> wikibrasil.org, and not just the page with the annals of the previous >>>>>> conference. In this way, projects such as IWSC and WLM that were in >>>>>> >>>>> key >> >>> moments of their execution were also unavailable to users. So, to the >>>>>> very >>>>>> annoyance we had to remove the file (as if we were guilty!) In order >>>>>> >>>>> to >> >>> request that the sites be republished. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet stunned by this, I asked for help from the WMF’s Trust & Safety >>>>>> >>>>> and >> >>> the >>>>>> Legal Team. Both were sympathetic, but the WMF's legal support >>>>>> >>>>> policies >> >>> provide support only for problems regarding content hosted on the >>>>>> foundation's servers, and since that was not the case, I could not >>>>>> receive >>>>>> formal legal support. Unsure, fearing the possible legal implications >>>>>> >>>>> of >> >>> the complaint, and without knowing how to defend myself I spoke with >>>>>> groups >>>>>> of free culture and defense of freedom of expression and concluded >>>>>> >>>>> that >> >>> the >>>>>> best way to defend myself would be to publicize the ongoing >>>>>> >>>>> persecution. >> >>> The days that followed were very difficult for me. Whenever I had to >>>>>> deal >>>>>> with any wiki subject I was taken by a feeling of revolt and could not >>>>>> do >>>>>> anything. I spent hours trying to write these words but I just >>>>>> >>>>> couldn’t >> >>> do >>>>>> it. Having to face a legal threat through the DMCA may already be >>>>>> something >>>>>> to wrap the stomach itself, but having to do it knowing that who >>>>>> denounces >>>>>> know he is lying, says himself a defender of free culture and is even >>>>>> >>>>> a >> >>> member of the Wikimedia community is unbelievably revolting! >>>>>> >>>>>> We all know that wikis communities are not a bed of roses and I have >>>>>> several times left and I stopped editing because of the bullying done >>>>>> >>>>> by >> >>> users like him. But this time I won’t shut up! The destructive >>>>>> >>>>> behavior >> >>> of >>>>>> this person has escalated in a way that is forcing me to spend all my >>>>>> time >>>>>> studying United States copyright law to defend myself from something I >>>>>> did >>>>>> not do, and he knows it well. This user used his influence to move the >>>>>> largest university in Latin America into an international legal threat >>>>>> against the movement he claims to be a part of. We need to stop it! >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who do not know this user, it is worth pointing out that he >>>>>> leads >>>>>> a users group, and receives funding from WMF to conduct outreach >>>>>> activities. I repeat: This person who uses the DMCA to legally >>>>>> >>>>> threaten >> >>> members of the Wikimedia community is receiving money from our >>>>>> >>>>> movement >> >>> to >>>>>> fund their projects. We can not accept this anymore! Joao Alexandre >>>>>> Peschanski (a.k.a. Joalpe) should be boycotted in every possible way >>>>>> >>>>> by >> >>> the >>>>>> Wikimedia movement. A copyright troll should never receive grants, be >>>>>> accepted in our spaces and have the right to speak on behalf of our >>>>>> community! >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition to measures within the Wikimedia community I also ask for >>>>>> your >>>>>> support to help with my defense of Joalpe's attack on the legal >>>>>> >>>>> world. I >> >>> call upon all advocates of free culture, freedom of knowledge and the >>>>>> Wikimedia movement to endorse the following petition [3], addressed to >>>>>> the >>>>>> University of São Paulo, demanding that it immediately withdraw the >>>>>> complaint of violation to the DMCA made against the Wiki Educação >>>>>> >>>>> Brasil >> >>> group, and that it immediately stops pursuing free-culture movements >>>>>> >>>>> in >> >>> Brazil and in the world: >>>>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >>>>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar >>>>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >>>>>> de-usar-a-justi> >>>>>> >>>>>> I publish this letter still frightened, but already without fear and >>>>>> confident that united we will overcome one more attack that threatens >>>>>> not >>>>>> only the Wikimedia movement, but the whole culture of free knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> "Imagine a world in which every person on the planet has free access >>>>>> >>>>> to >> >>> the >>>>>> sum of all human knowledge. That is what we are doing." Jimbo Wales >>>>>> >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> Henrique de Andrade (User: HenriqueCrang) >>>>>> >>>>>> [1] http://wikibrasil.org >>>>>> >>>>>> [2] >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ >>>>>> Events/Congresso_Científico_Brasileiro_da_Wikipédia/2016# >>>>>> Tr.C3.AAs_d.C3.BAvidas >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiki_Education_Brazil/ >>>>>> Events/Congresso_Cient> >>>>>> >>>>>> [3] >>>>>> https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >>>>>> de-usar-a-justiça-americana-para-tirar-site-wiki-brasil-do-ar >>>>>> <https://www.change.org/p/reitor-da-usp-pare-imediatamente- >>>>>> de-usar-a-justi> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >>>>>> >>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >> >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>>>>> i/Wikimedia-l >>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >>>>>> >>>>> , >> >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>>> i/Wikimedia-l >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik >>> i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >>> >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
