Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-01 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Michael Peel, 01/07/2012 23:39: Could I ask a related common question - why not just send these out on WikimediaAnnounce-l? The list is meant to be low traffic compared to wikitech-l, which is currently (by far) the highest traffic list we have; so, still quite high traffic. Moreover, it's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-01 Thread Michael Peel
Hey Greg, Great answer - thanks. :-) It does sound like that's quite a distinct audience here that most likely wouldn't be interested in the other emails that are sent to WikimediaAnnounce-l (e.g. chapter and WMF reports). I hope that there will be appropriate cross-posting to both lists for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New, lower traffic, announcements only email list for Wikimedia developers

2012-07-01 Thread Gregory Varnum
Mike - thank you - and to Nemo as well for a more concise answer than mine. :) I agree about the cross-posting - and my hunch is that will come with time. Like any new outreach idea, it will need some time to mature, and it may not work out - but I think this one is worth trying. If it

[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help

2012-07-02 Thread John Andersson
Hallo everybody, We have just started working with the Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA)[1] contest that will focus on getting pictures on sculptures, mosaics, mural paintings, memorials and place specific installments in the public space. If you are interested in public art, enjoy organizing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help

2012-07-02 Thread John Andersson
Hi Jane, I am happy that you think that it sounds interesting! The idea is to have similar rules and structure as WLM, e.g. that the artworks should have a unique ID to be part of the contest. I think that we should not limit ourselves more right now until we know what type of data we can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons down

2012-07-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
Wikipedia is down for me. I suggest we swarm on to IRC in large numbers - that always helps! On 2 July 2012 22:50, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: After ten minute and three unsuccessful attempts to categorise an image via Hotcat I've now got the following error message:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons down

2012-07-02 Thread Ben Hartshorne
For more information on the root cause of this outage see Leslie Carr's description sent to wikitech-l: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-July/061599.html. The way the routers were bouncing is the reason it was intermittent and continued to work for some people while breaking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Help decide about more than $10 million of movement funds in the coming year

2012-07-03 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Only ten millions? This sounds wrong. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

[Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
First they deleted Michelle Obama's arms,[1] now they want to get rid of Justin Bieber on Twitter.[2] What is the world coming to! [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Michelle_Obama%27s_arms [2]

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] The Signpost -- Volume 8, Issue 27 -- 02 July 2012

2012-07-03 Thread Wikipedia Signpost
Analysis: Uncovering scientific plagiarism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-02/Analysis Op-ed: Representing knowledge – metadata, data and linked data http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-07-02/Op-ed News and notes: RfC on joining

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 3 July 2012 12:02, Tom Morris t...@tommorris.org wrote: On Tuesday, 3 July 2012 at 10:15, Svip wrote: I can't believe _I_ am not the ultimate ruler on what is valuable enough to get on Wikipedia. It seems most of the delete comments on the Justin Bieber article are mostly people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Fred Bauder
I think that is a very dismissive misreading of the discussion. Some people have it in their heads that appears in reliable sources equates to article-worthiness, but the problem here is that the doings of celebrities is covered in excruciating detial by the media, including what tey eat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Mike Dupont
Would it be possible to get copies of the older non-notable articles? I would like to add them all to speedydeletion.wikia.com thanks, mike James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova http://flossk.org Contributor FOSM, the CC-BY-SA map of the world http://fosm.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 3 July 2012 14:49, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 July 2012 15:35, Tarc Meridian t...@hotmail.com wrote: What does 'encyclopaedic worthiness' even mean? If Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, then all those niche-wikis are encyclopaedia too. Well, yes, they basically replace the specialist

[Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Theo10011
Hi I would like to bring up an issue with office actions that was brought up elsewhere. There has been an issue on commons with User:Saibo tagging images from WMF staff. He disagreed with a particular office action taken by WMF staff. He gives an explanation with relevant diffs here[1]. The issue

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: So, can you say what it is about this that made you bring it up now, in July? I heard about this issue fairly recently, on a private list. So, you probably already know more than I do. I really don't care about the specifics of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Deryck Chan
On 3 July 2012 19:08, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I love it when people send e-mails to the public list, and purposefully refrain from actually discussing the actual events at issue. You have to read 3/4ths of the e-mail to get an idea that it's about someone being blocked, but you still

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Steven Walling
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Office actions have historically been used to blank or delete pages, the current listed policy on Meta and commons[3][4] make no mention of Global bans or blocking a user locally, or even globally. I have not known for office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: On 3 July 2012 19:08, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I love it when people send e-mails to the public list, and purposefully refrain from actually discussing the actual events at issue. You have to read 3/4ths of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Béria Lima
Phillipe, a global ban, even by the policy proposed, requires more than 2 communities agreeing that the ban is necessary, as far as I know, even if we count the office staff as one community that is only one. At least the guy know why he was blocked? And what is the guarantee we have that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Philippe Beaudette
No, that was clumsy wording. I did not mean that it could have been used in THIS instance; I meant that in future instances, I can see circumstances where it could be used. ___ Philippe Beaudette Director, Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Theo10011
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:35 AM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: To the best of my knowledge, no. And that's precisely why we would like a global ban policy implemented. We would prefer an established, community-monitored process that we can turn to when at all possible (and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 11:09 AM, Delirium wrote: 1) the sources really are *very* good in that case, not merely ok sources like newspaper articles; My own (admitedly radical) point of view is that popular media - and that includes newspapers nowadays - are not reliable sources at all in the first

[Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Since 2008 I wonder, why the logo of Wikimedia projects are under copyright? I see it as something contradictory. -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
hummm... No! I've read all this, I can give workshops about it, my question is more about values​​, why not believe in what we preach and release our logos? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds
What purpose would it serve to release the WMF's logos? Surely it would damage the project rather than help it... copyright isn't always a bad thing! Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Disclaimer viewable at http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:Email_disclaimer Visit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Ilario Valdelli
The trademark doesn't protect only the owner, it can protect also the user. Imagine that a fashion house would release his trademark under free license. Imagine that you buy a Gucci or Armani shirt and you are sure that it's a Gucci or Armani shirt. And you pay as you may pay the original one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds
is someone's off-wiki opinion or behavior or even criminal past, grounds for a block? In my opinion, yes. I have carried out many blocks (and bans) based partly on the off-wiki behaviour of an editor. It's really only necessary in very serious cases involving violence, stalking, child

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Ilario Valdelli
A mark is not a simple image. A mark it's a symbol. On 03.07.2012 23:32, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: So in your view, free images can be harmful? So why would I release a picture? And you're telling me is more important to believe in the logo, instead of checking the validity of what you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
I don't know how it is handled after US law, but if i consider German law then logos and trademarks are often even in the public domain, but protected as a trademark itself. But i also think that our logo is something to protect while being free at the same time. If we go strictly after the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] OFFICE actions and WMF image tagging

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 3:23 PM, Theo10011 wrote: I would ask about a hypothetical, is someone's off-wiki opinion or behavior or even criminal past, grounds for a block? It may well be. Both for our protection and that of other editors. There are cases of real, dangerous persons using Wikipedia to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Nathan
Think of a logo or a trademark as an identity; the arguments for releasing free informational content are totally separate from allowing others to make free use of your (or WMFs) identity. You might as well ask why not release your name for any possible commercial use. I suspect you wouldn't agree

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Ilario Valdelli
Again, the logo is a symbol, it's not an image. I don't agree with your concept because you can move the Commons content in another website also commercial. So you should split content and repository. The content may be free, the repository may be not free. Following your concept if a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Marcus Buck
Ilario, please keep apart copyright and trademarks. Rodrigo did not question the decision to have the logos trademarked. He just questioned the decision to keep them copyrighted. As Tobias Oelgarte pointed out, a logo can be in the public domain and still be protected as a trademark. The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 03/07/2012 11:09 AM, Delirium wrote: 1) the sources really are *very* good in that case, not merely ok sources like newspaper articles; My own (admitedly radical) point of view is that popular media - and that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
You will have to split between trademark laws and copyright laws. Both concepts exist separately from each other. There are a lot of logos that are not copyright protected. For example very simple text logos, depending on country even more complex logos that don't reach the needed threshold of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 00:04, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Marc. The other day, someone said here on the list, It's almost as if what the press say and what the facts are in reality are two different things that have only a very tenuous relationship. Yes, in response to you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2012 00:04, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with Marc. The other day, someone said here on the list, It's almost as if what the press say and what the facts are in reality are two different

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:38 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 03/07/2012 7:04 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: What would a Wikipedia look like that did not make use of press sources? It would look a hell of a lot more like an encyclopedia. Thousands of silly arguments would never

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 7:42 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: How would you deal with biographies of people like heads of state, who are subjects of serious academic study as well as daily news articles? There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 00:48, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the complement of the other; mainspace would become more encyclopedic and there would be a neat space where the more recent

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 03/07/2012 7:49 PM, David Gerard wrote: We could call it Wikinews. Arguably, that was the intent behind that project in the first place. That said, the news article format (as opposed to living prose) is demonstrably not what the readers want - they already voted with their browsers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Thomas Morton
On 4 July 2012 00:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 4 July 2012 00:48, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the complement of the other; mainspace would become more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Birgitte_sb
I can't disagree with your understanding of the different IP laws, however this not a very commonly understood nuance. Many people, when seeing the logo listed as free regarding copyright, will assume they can use it the same as any other copyleft or PD image. They will not necessarily

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that prevents a subject from having an article in both namespaces. One can be seen as the complement of the other; mainspace would become more encyclopedic and there would be a neat space where the more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
We have special templates for this case which prominently inform the user that the image is free due to reason XYZ but can't be used in any context due to additional trademark restrictions. This concept does not only apply to logos or trademarks, but also for public domain cases. Commons

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-03 Thread Birgitte_sb
That reasoning seems to be begging the question a bit. That we should not make an exception so that there will be no exceptions. I suggested some pragmatic reasons why making an exception for these trademarks more successfully communicates the message for reuse than not doing so. And also how

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread The Cunctator
I love it when individuals decide that they know what is important and worthy of inclusion, as opposed to the mindless masses. Because that's such a healthy way to ensure an open, neutral, and comprehensive encyclopedia. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 9:35 AM, Tarc Meridian t...@hotmail.com wrote: I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-03 Thread The Cunctator
Just think, in a few years we can set up the site to construct drafts for the site that constructs drafts for Wikipedia. On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: There's nothing that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
From my experience the re-users barely read any of the licenses and already expect every of our images to be free beer. Sometimes i looked where my images and articles are used and i noticed quite a lot of copyright violations. I took my time to mail the re-users and informed them what they

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-04 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I have no time to find the page, but the logo of Wikipedia may be used for no commercial use. So it's not public domain, but has a sufficient freedom of use. The question is to understand what is the feeling of the normal people in internet. So, in this specific case I would really associate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-04 Thread Delirium
On 7/4/12 1:04 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: What would a Wikipedia look like that did not make use of press sources? It would look a hell of a lot more like an encyclopedia. Thousands of silly arguments would never arise. Thousands of apposite criticisms of Wikipedia would never arise. These are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-04 Thread Mike Dupont
On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Delirium delir...@hackish.org wrote: On 7/4/12 1:04 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: What would a Wikipedia look like that did not make use of press sources? It would look a hell of a lot more like an encyclopedia. Thousands of silly arguments would never arise.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-04 Thread Svip
On 4 July 2012 01:38, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: Well, if I were suddenly named dictator of Wikipedia, I'd probably suggest that a recent event namespace be created, where popular media were acceptable sources, and make them verbotten in mainspace. Mainspace articles might

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] WMIT bulletin no. 33: June 20, 2012

2012-07-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
The new editorial team has produced a new issue of Wikimedia Italia's bulletin, shortened for the sake of clarity to the public at large. English version follows and is available on the wiki http://wiki.wikimedia.it/wiki/Wikimedia_news/numero_33/en Please let us know if you find this format

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-04 Thread John Vandenberg
Or a template at the top. 'This article relies on newspaper sources...please contribute better sources or tag with notability if you cant find any better sources.' P.s. This offtopic thread should be on Wikipedia lists as its not about the movement in general. On Jul 4, 2012 6:13 PM, Svip

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Public Art (WLPA) needs your help

2012-07-04 Thread John Andersson
Hi Lodewijk, I like your ideas, especially the one about Wiki Loves Food which I think could be a really good mini-contest. However, this year I hope that you will share your expertise with WLPA! :-) You have a really good point about the exams in May and I have been thinking hard about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
The current definition is very protective and incompatible with free licenses. I can't take a free licensed photo and put the Wikipedia logo in the background. It's not because the Logo can't be used, it's because i can't release the the end result under a free license. If i would create such

[Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread Samuel Klein
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192 SJ ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread David Gerard
On 4 July 2012 19:22, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192 Dunno about OT. The public protests across Europe followed from the SOPA blackout. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 04.07.2012 20:52, schrieb David Gerard: On 4 July 2012 19:22, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18704192 Dunno about OT. The public protests across Europe followed from the SOPA blackout. - d. Not really. The first big protests started at the end

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [OT] ACTA rejected by EU parliament

2012-07-04 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Tobias Oelgarte, 05/07/2012 00:28: Not really. The first big protests started at the end of the year 2011, while the blackout was from 18th to 19th January 2012. But in some way it might have helped to strengthen the protests and to prolong the duration. This says something about it.

[Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Steven Walling
Hi everyone, This is a long email, so the less TL;DR version is: there is a request for comment on Meta about a community policy for global bans.[1] This is vitally important, and I hope you will both comment and help spread the word in your community. The background on why we're doing this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
It's worth noting here that there is something of a disagreement about the import of the Terms of Use; Steve Walling and Ryan Kaldari have argued that the ToU require that the Wikimedia community devise a policy permitting and describing a process for instituting global bans. In fact, the ToU

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: It's worth noting here that there is something of a disagreement about the import of the Terms of Use; Steve Walling and Ryan Kaldari have argued that the ToU require that the Wikimedia community devise a policy permitting and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Right now, the RfC is trending towards dispensing with the current global ban policy. A large portion of that sentiment is from people opposed to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that but beyond the language issue, the RfC has also been open for awhile and had significant participation. Since the trend is to reject the policy as written anyway, that makes it unenforceable until a new RfC

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-05 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I thought about that but beyond the language issue, the RfC has also been open for awhile and had significant participation. Since the trend is to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

2012-07-05 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Wikipedia-l is not the most active of lists, to put it mildly. Those interested in discussing the potential advantages and drawbacks of a Wikipedia without press sources and coming up with some ideas for a feasible compromise are advised that there is a related thread on Wikipediocracy, at

[Wikimedia-l] Site notice on meta

2012-07-06 Thread James Heilman
Wondering if anyone here can put up a site notice on meta regarding the proposal for the Wikimedia Travel Guide. One needs to be an admin on meta. The proposal is here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Travel_Guide The site notice goes here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Sitenotice --

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Site notice on meta

2012-07-06 Thread Theo10011
Sure James, I can add that. Just in case, you should leave a note with the exact site notice you want, here - http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Babel since it's a meta-only issue. Regards Theo On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:15 PM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering if anyone here

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-06 Thread Dan Rosenthal
The way I read it, Steven correct me if I am wrong, he is writing in a staff role, but not necessarily within his Engineering responsibilities. Dan Rosenthal On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:04 AM, Steven Walling

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

2012-07-06 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Steven, Could you explain the distinctions between https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_locks, https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_blocks, and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Global_bans? These look to me like they have some redundancy and some areas where they diverge. A chart which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

2012-07-06 Thread Deryck Chan
Short answer as I understand it: Global blocks are the technical feature and refer to the accounts, the IPs and the software capability; global bans are the policy and refer to the people who are unwelcome. On 6 July 2012 10:44, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Steven, Could you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-06 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 2:17 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: It also doesn't help that 4 of the 12 supporters for implementing the policy in its current form are WMF staff. Theo, Could you please expand on this a bit? I'm not sure that I understand. Is it your proposition that WMF

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-06 Thread Theo10011
On Fri, Jul 6, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Philippe Beaudette phili...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Theo, Could you please expand on this a bit? I'm not sure that I understand. Is it your proposition that WMF staff shouldn't weigh in on this? Or are you surprised at the number? or what? Hi Philippe No,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans policy

2012-07-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Jul 6, 2012 2:38 AM, Dan Rosenthal swatjes...@gmail.com wrote: The way I read it, Steven correct me if I am wrong, he is writing in a staff role, but not necessarily within his Engineering responsibilities. Dan Rosenthal Dan is correct. Apologies for any confusion. Steven On Fri, Jul

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

2012-07-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Jul 6, 2012 2:48 AM, Deryck Chan deryckc...@wikimedia.hk wrote: Short answer as I understand it: Global blocks are the technical feature and refer to the accounts, the IPs and the software capability; global bans are the policy and refer to the people who are unwelcome. Deryck has got it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours with the editor engagement experiments team

2012-07-06 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Hi all, The second IRC office hours with the Foundation's editor engagement experiments team will be on Saturday July 7th at 18:00 UTC. We've just completed our first feature experiment on English Wikipedia, and

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News

2012-07-07 Thread Siko Bouterse
Hi all, I am pleased to announce that the first monthly edition of the Fellowship News is now available on Meta-Wiki! Come learn what the Wikimedia Fellows have been working on in June: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fellowship_News Projects covered in this edition include: *Dispute Resolution

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News

2012-07-07 Thread Lodewijk
Hi, while it is great that you do this responsibly, I am indeed also wondering how we can make this a worth while read. Because while it is a nice program, there are many other people around Wiki World doing similarly cool things (no offence) - as are real staff members. By splitting this off in

[Wikimedia-l] Wisdom of the crowd vs. wisdom of the experts and insiders

2012-07-07 Thread ENWP Pine
I thought this was interesting so I’m passing it along. This sentence particularly caught my attention: “The answer, I think, is to take the best of what both experts and markets have to offer, realizing that the combination of the two offers a better window onto the future than either alone.”

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Request for comment on global bans

2012-07-08 Thread ENWP Pine
Hi Steven, I agree with you that there should be a “fair and consistent way” for enacting a global block of an account. My concerns are about the process and circumstances under which this may happen. I think that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
As well as free photos of people, there is only the release of copyright, and no release of personality rights; we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed. Again why is not free? -- Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com +55 11 7971-8884

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Birgitte_sb
The most basic answer (someone form WMF can correct me if I am somehow misled here) is that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks. It seems very harsh, to someone who finds this answer good enough, when you ask again in the way you did. It a debatable

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
Do you read my email? * me:we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed.* * you:that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks.* idealists? sorry? If you will start to attack me, at least learn to read. And reading your text,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton rodrigo.argen...@gmail.com wrote: Do you read my email? * me:we can make a logo under a free license, with the trademark rights guaranteed.* * you:that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks.*

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Your answer would imply that we never ever should try to combine a free image with any of our logos in a single work (not a collection). I wrote the reason in a previous mail already. We would have a copyright violation if the new work is released under a free license since the logo isn't free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread Tim Starling
On 09/07/12 06:17, birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: The most basic answer (someone form WMF can correct me if I am somehow misled here) is that the logos are not released under a free license because they are trademarks. To be precise, the logos were not released under a free license because it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why is not free?

2012-07-08 Thread John Vandenberg
If wmf has trademarks secured, now is the time to release the copyrights and high res. versions. Idealistic maybe. But when we talk to the public, we talk about ideals. Its odd that community members cant put logos of community-run projects into slides. Its unfortunate that wikipedia doesnt meet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IRC office hours The future of e-mail usage in Wikimedia projects 2012-07-18 16:30 UTC

2012-07-08 Thread Gregory Varnum
That is an encouraging update - thank you. -greg aka varnent On 8 Jul, 2012, at 9:39 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Excuse me. Just about a month ago, we had a discussion about spreading out the times

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing the Fellowship News

2012-07-09 Thread Maggie Dennis
I haven't spoken to Siko about this at all (first I'm hearing about it), but I imagine, Richard, that it will focus on the work being done on fellowships by WMF Fellows. Lodewijk, I think it would be great to have a newsletter about the cool things people are doing around the Wiki World. :) If

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 9 July 2012 13:21, Sebastian Moleski seb...@gmail.com wrote: Today, I'm declaring my candidacy for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association. After recent conversations with a number of people at different chapters, I've decided to run for this position because I believe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 July 2012 13:21, Sebastian Moleski seb...@gmail.com wrote: Today, I'm declaring my candidacy for Secretary General of the Wikimedia Chapters Association. After recent conversations with a number of people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Alice Wiegand
Hi Thehelpfulone, On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.com wrote: Given that http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Secretary-General is still in a draft format and hasn't significantly been touched since April 2012, I'm inclined to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 9 July 2012 17:32, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: You are right about everything. ;) And yes, this was premature, not a lot has been decided. I think the committee learnt of this as the same time, as you did. Thanks for the confirmation Theo, and can I confirm a point on the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-09 Thread Lucas Teles
Btw, the project should be (at least) visible for stewards. I was trying to check edits done by an account [1] that may be a spambot, but I couldn't. As the edit on ru.wiki is the only one, despite account is registered in other projects, it would help to have an idea on what kind of account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Declaring my candidacy

2012-07-09 Thread Theo10011
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Thehelpfulone thehelpfulonew...@gmail.comwrote: On 9 July 2012 17:32, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: You are right about everything. ;) And yes, this was premature, not a lot has been decided. I think the committee learnt of this as the same time, as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-09 Thread MZMcBride
Milos Rancic wrote: In less than half an hour Russian Wikipedia will go on one-day strike against SOPA/PIPA-like law in Russia. As in previous cases with Italian and English Wikipedia, it would be good if the wider community would be activated in support of our fellow Wikimedians. They need

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-09 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.com wrote: When the government wants your library records, do you protest by closing the library? No. You still let people in so that they can learn.

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