Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:53:47 +0530 Srikanth Ramakrishnan srik.r...@wikimedia.in wrote: On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog. Need I say anything else? I think you've hit the nail on the head. It should not be easier to dominate a player-killing MUD than to edit an article on Wikipedia.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

don't do the same simpler association number of speakers = potential number of contributors because that strategy will be *surely* wrong. Regards On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:56 AM, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:25:23 +0100 Ilario Valdelli valde...@gmail.com wrote: I partially disagree with this vision. Without the North American and European men there would not be any opportunity to say: we would share the sum of the human knowledge. Probably Wikimedia would not exist. True,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:29:57 +0100 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: As this thread demonstrates, what discussions about the massive gender imbalance in Wikimedia editorship need is more men discussing why it might or might not be important. /sarcasm Radical feminist notions that men

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

That said, it doesn't matter who writes the content on Wikipedia so long as it's relevant and factual. That's the point; it would not matter if women contributed so long as it's relevant and factual. Half the humans that could contribute are not. Actually many more than half, as there are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

2015 06:17 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision On 8 Jan 2015 16:11, FRED BAUDER fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: ... I've noticed that women are often quite motivated and good at writing grant proposals

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

It's a rhetorical question, but, based on experience, I would probably chime in if a similar proposal was floated about native people such as African tribes or American Indians; most hardly ever edit, even in their own language, and throwing money at the problem is unlikely to be productive.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikipedia community health: strategic opportunities and threats

On Sat, 18 Apr 2015 11:27:09 -0700 Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Since WMF is doing a strategy update (with which I'm not involved, but hope that the community can influence), I'm wondering what others thoughts are on Wikipedia's strategic opportunities and threats. What do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Building a we in the wikimedia movement

Video is not necessary. Fred On Sat, 23 May 2015 09:42:34 -0700 David Cuenca Tudela dacu...@gmail.com wrote: I third that! However we are entering the field of privacy, because as useful the virtual meetings can be, they might be intrusive if you are in your home and you show your whole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Harvard Law Library Readies Trove of Decisions for Digital Age"

if we can use it. Fred Bauder On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 06:24:01 -0400 "FRED BAUDER" <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: I have started the article Ravel Law on en. Basic access is free to the public; however, we could ask for "professional" access which is offered free

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are articles being deleted?

is one of the meanings of "Ignore all rules:" Assume the rules are reasonable and edit. Fred Bauder ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

A blanket ban sweeps in possible contributors and potential employees. A well-crafted policy, properly administered, generally, would not. Fred Bauder On Sun, 5 Feb 2017 04:15:33 -0500 Yair Rand <yyairr...@gmail.com> wrote: When and how the Wikimedia Foundation should associate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

On Fri, 3 Feb 2017 13:35:30 +0100 Yaroslav Blanter wrote: Well, there were speakers who were not able to attend Wikimanias in Haifa and Cairo, to start with, because of similar bans, and the general response then was "Whatever place we choose, someone is always

Re: [Wikimedia-l] don't run away from the mess we've made, fix it (Re: Concerns in general)

of free speech means in practice. Fred Bauder ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

to function because the procedure is too cumbersome and punishing. Which is why certain matters have gradually shifted to staff who can make quick decisions and have clear authority to do so. Some things are done by, or at the direction of, the legal department, for example. Fred Bauder On Sat, 18 Feb

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

after people have recovered from the election. How about...reminding me two weeks from today. I might've recovered by then, seriously... Thanks! Craig Newmark founder, craigslist On Nov 2, 2016 12:44 PM, "FRED BAUDER" <fredb...@fairpoint.net> wrote: Craig, I don't exp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Can Wikipedia save the internet?": Wikipedia and political neutrality

Craig, I don't expect you to do anything about it, but Hillary Clinton presidential campaign, 2016 has been so much an object of political editing by Clinton supporters that it looks more like an ad for Hillary than a Wikipedia article. Fred Bauder On Wed, 2 Nov 2016 11:43:32 -0400 Craig

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [arbcom-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

with 100% beef with no preservatives, no fillers and is topped with daily sliced tomatoes and onions, fresh lettuce, pickles, ketchup and mayo, served on a soft sesame seed bun." happens to be factually true and cannot be said of the products of, say, McDonalds where the "fixings" arr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Naive questions: what could do the movement with 1B dollars/euros?

I think we could hire professional fact checkers and target articles that have gotten off track. I don't think a great deal of money would be necessary to set an example, and illustrate some of our notorious problems. In general more money, however, draws flies even better than shit. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

We should sue Billy the Kid while we are at it. And Hitler... Imagine the bragging he does down in Hell. Fred - Original Message - From: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Subject:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

with getting up to speed on gender or whatever. Fred Bauder - Original Message - From: Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> To: Wikimedia <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Cc: Wikimedia Gendergap mailing list <gender...@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Mon, 07 May 2018 0

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

Women editors might have something to add about nursing and the history of nursing that adds gender-specific value, increasing our coverage of the subject. So a workshop at a nursing convention might be valuable. Fred - Original Message - From: Amir E. Aharoni

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

Very good. If any willing editor runs into trouble or is made to feel unwelcome or subjected to unfair criticism, that is the time to intervene. We are however not in a position to discourage women or minority editors from "recruiting" or encouraging other minority editors or women to edit. Any

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

> Cheers, > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] > On > > > > Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Béland > > > > Sent: 10 May 2018 15:01 > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

Lucille B. Buchanan might make an article: http://www.blackpast.org/aaw/jones-lucy-lucile-berkeley-buchanan-1884-1989 Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

Cheers! > > > > > > > > > > El jue., may. 10, 2018 10:27, Peter Southwood < > > > > > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> > > > > > escribió: > > > > > > > > > > > Notabil

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

dary sources, I believe? Paulo 2018-05-12 13:48 GMT+01:00 FRED BAUDER <fredb...@fairpoint.net>: > Autobiographical writing published by the mainstream press with editors > and fact checkers is more reliable. > > Fred > > - Original Message - > From: Paulo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

in Wikipedia is that the confuse definition of primary source often leads to such egregious situations as some newspaper saying what the director of an institution is, is prefered to the very institution correcting the name. I've seen this over and over. Paulo 2018-05-12 13:45 GMT+01:00 FRED B

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

.springeropen.com/articles/10. > > > > > > 1140/epjds/s13688-016-0066-4 > > > > > > > > > > > > There are many things that can be addressed individually and as a > > > > > movement > > > > > > or co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

t; > > > is > > > > > > do > > > > > > > we really want to take that leap, do we really want to share > the > > > sum > > > > of > > > > > > all > > > > > > > knowledge, do we want t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

l.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I posted this a while ago, an investigation on gender bias > where > > a > > > > > member > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

rces as well, but generally not subjected to any review. There should be some way to distinguish between the two types. Paulo 2018-05-12 13:40 GMT+01:00 FRED BAUDER <fredb...@fairpoint.net>: > And should be used, just as an image of a headstone can be used, in > preference to some writing abo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

t; > projects may work around this problem, but would then probably not > be > > > > open > > > > > for anyone to edit. Or can you suggest another way? > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

It is legal. It limits > liability by notifying users of various realities, such as, we cannot, and > do not, guarantee reliability, so use at your own risk. > > Fred Bauder > > - Original Message - > From: Amir E. Aharoni > To: wikimedia-l > Sent: Wed, 27

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

liability by notifying users of various realities, such as, we cannot, and do not, guarantee reliability, so use at your own risk. Fred Bauder - Original Message - From: Amir E. Aharoni To: wikimedia-l Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the death of Wikipedia imminent?

An executive summary is common at the head of many reports and articles. Only sections in the body of the article would be cited. Somewhat like a lede but more detailed. The main body of the article would still have a lede. Fred Bauder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An encyclopedia must be conservative (?)

of practitioners. Wikipedia long ago lost the battle with respect to inclusion of some information which in only included due to the persistence of biased editors who have acquired skill in manipulating our guidelines. Generally, that tends to the authoritarian left. Fred Bauder - Original

Re: [Wikimedia-l] crazy deletionists!

I think that is a very dismissive misreading of the discussion. Some people have it in their heads that appears in reliable sources equates to article-worthiness, but the problem here is that the doings of celebrities is covered in excruciating detial by the media, including what tey eat,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Try http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/10/russian-wikipedia-shut-down-protest?INTCMP=SRCH It is quite possible, as in China, political censorship is the actual purpose, and pornography, and whatever, is just the excuse. Fred On 11/07/12 09:40, Milos Rancic wrote: Yep, I forgot it. BTW,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] In the News

Folks, if this has already been brought to the List, please excuse the repetition. If not, enjoy; http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/09/romneys-running-mate-some-say- wikipedia-holds-the-answer/?nl=usemc=edit_cn_20120810 Marc Riddell They probably got that out of Wikipedia, see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] CNET News: Corruption in Wikiland? Paid PR scandal erupts at Wikipedia

Spotted this in my news feed, http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57514677-93/corruption-in-wikiland-paid-pr-scandal-erupts-at-wikipedia/ sincerely, Kim Bruning http://untrikiwiki.com/ Max Klein's wiki editing business His blog response:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

Well, the new law is now being considered for application to block YouTube in Russia. Make of that, what you will. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19648808 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]] I have never understood anyone who thinks that showing contempt for the Prophet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

On 4 January 2013 13:03, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: With respect to welcoming and assisting new users on the English Wikipedia where there is a bewildering volume of varied activity by new and experienced users it might be helpful if we had a recent changes options that showed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

, compliment, or otherwise assist the new user. Obviously access to such a recent changes option by those looking for trouble could also be used in ways that would discourage the new user. Perhaps access could be limited to only flagged newbie helpers. Fred Bauder

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

It's the worst kept secret in the world that you can hire people to decode your captchas -- http://decaptcha.biz/ for example. Better captchas don't work because you are competing against people and if people can't solve the captcha ... Middle name of Jimmy Wales has worked well for me.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

On 09/01/13 10:03, Kim Bruning wrote: On Wed, Jan 09, 2013 at 07:45:41AM +, David Gerard wrote: Right. So anyone in this thread going into detail about en:wp policies is actually not addressing this, and the problem is on a higher level? :-/ Back to the drawing board. That actually

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Editor retention (was Re: Big data benefits and limitations (relevance: WMF editor engagement, fundraising, and HR practices))

Socialization is usually best achieved through rewards rather than through punishments. The principle reward is a sense of achievement when good editing is done or good administrative work done. In the case of editing the reward, absent trouble, is instantaneous as your work is published. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] COI versus OUTING

: edits containing personal identifying information may be deleted or suppressed under our policies and can be retrieved later only under the terms of a court order, so, obviously, get them before they are hidden. Fred Bauder ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Church of Reason

The primary goal of the Church of Reason, Phaedrus said, is always Socrates's old goal of truth, in its ever-changing forms, as it is revealed by the process of rationality. I'm sorry, but that ship sailed long ago. Wikipedia is compendium of information published in reliable sources. You

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Lessig on Aaron's laws

Le 2013-03-11 11:45, Andrea Zanni a écrit : I feel obliged to remind you of this splendid talk from Lessig on Aaaron's Laws. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=9HAw1i4gOU4 Here you can find the transcript (with slides and everything)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Proposal to use the internal wiki more

for closing both the internal wiki and the internal mailing list: IMO there's nothing on either that needs to be confidential. Thanks, Sue Yes, our work needs to be pubic and accessible. Fred Bauder USA ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance will eventually result in serious trouble. Not that we should knuckle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

, Apr 5, 2013 at 10:52 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hard to know what was involved from the information you provide. The problem is there is classified information that amounts to nothing and then there is classified information release of which can cause serious damage. Defiance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

for a distance. It's got a civilian radio/TV tower colocated with it. I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Typical. They were not willing to tell our legal counsel why or what was classified; she

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

The value would be obvious if Wikipedia were a for profit company listed on the stock markets. Not that it would have a real value identical to a computation based on imagined advertising revenue. It is in the billions though. Fred Hi all, Last weekend we had a discussion about how to 'sell'

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The value of Wikipedia for the economy

Don't worry. Any one who has thought about this sort of thing much has come away more puzzled than when they began. What for example is the value of a cigarette? The price is rather easy. Fred (sorry, this came off a bit too sharp :) Thanks for all the input, anything is better than nothing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Romaine Wiki romaine_w...@yahoo.com wrote: On Fri, 5 Apr 2013 12:31:29, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I can't see what would be sensitive in the article.. I think that the existence of the article is considered too sensitive

Re: [Wikimedia-l] French intelligency agency forces removal of a Wikipedia article

Weapons design is obvious; however much intelligence is about rather ordinary military capability and deployment. We seem to be doing poorly, from the intelligence standpoint responsibly, regarding laser weapons, the next big thing I don't think much has been published in public reliable sources,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The case for supporting open source machine translation

This is closely tied to software which is being developed, some of it secretly, to enable machines to understand and use language. As of now this will be government and corporate owned and controlled. I say closely tied because that is how translation works; only someone or something that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Human-assisted machine translation (it was: The case for supporting open source machine translation)

All European languages, with the exception of Basque, are essentially one language with different vocabulary. MT should generally work, but needs help as the example shows. The big, and perhaps insurmountable, problem comes with trying to use it with say, Hopi, which assigns meanings in a wholly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

On 9 May 2013 12:19, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote: In your hypothetical case of Russian only being spoken in one country that censors how to smoke marijuana information: If you insist on leaving a paragraph on how to make a bong in the Russian-language Marijuana smoking article,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

On 05/09/2013 07:19 AM, Anthony Cole wrote: We would be failing in our mission to disseminate educational information effectively and globally if, due to an ideological attachment to NOTCENSORED, we took the former option. You're saying this as though those things were orthogonal to each

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in blacklist trouble again

I've also done a great deal of editing of Tibetan articles. I wish there was a way to transport you back in time to old Tibet. Fred Highlighting the fact that such an old hand was making a rookie-like mistake was actually, y'know, the point. From: dger...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 May 2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

Florence, I agree with you almost completely, but I would also note that it is also partially about the user's thought processes and business norms that determine how fast it is. My employer, for instance, has a wiki that's meant to be a collaborative resource where disparate elements from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

We could create a Facebook page, Wikipedia Chill, where only positive interactions are permitted... Only half joking here. We can consciously design interactions in terms of their emotional tenor should we chose to. In an example taken from life, we can keep vicious dogs for the effect they have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patience

I agree that patience is a very important virtue in some situations, such as when we coach newbies or seek consensus among many people. But it's sometimes not a virtue, such as in many crisis situations. As a metrics and performance enthusiast, I feel that it's possible to have an appropriate

Re: [Wikimedia-l] evaluation of electronics articles

I think that is a pretty good analysis of the entire project. It is directly related to lack of editorial control and the impossibility of being able to assign writers to problem areas. Fred I ran across this paragraph in the preface to O'Reilly's new book Encyclopedia of Electronic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will

Also, classic Marxism. Draw your own conclusions and parallels as you see fit. Oh, didn't know if anyone else would see that: http://en.communpedia.org/Lyrics:Somebody_Will Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Somebody Will

By the way, is there a license attached to this song, or is it bare copyright? Copyright Sassafrass As it is a song there are special rules for commercial performances, like if you cover it. Cover means sing a song you did no write yourself like on a recording. Fred On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter. Fred This is a simple question with a potentially very complicated answer. What, if any, are the implications of the PRISM scandal for Wikimedia?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

help put at ease people worries :) -- Christophe On 10 June 2013 03:34, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: All edits and other actions are archived, but I would think there would be zero interest or utility to NSA. I would simply ignore the matter. Fred This is a simple question

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

There is plenty of reason to think the government would be interested in Wikipedia access logs. On the other hand, there's very little reason to believe an organization when they say they haven't been turning over information under a top secret order which they're not allowed to tell anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Everything passing over the internet is archived. Nearly everything done at Wikipedia passes over the internet. Encrypted, if you're using https everywhere (and Wikipedia hasn't intentionally or unintentionally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For example, there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

You are right, Anthony, never assume you're not dealing with idiots. If NSA is doing doing detailed surveillance of Tea Party activists or defense lawyers we are truly well along the road to hell. Fred On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 6:21 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Correct

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

National Security Letters have been served on Libraries. However, as we keep no track whatever off who is reading the site; it is hard to see how serving one on us would accomplish anything; we can't produce records we don't keep. I suppose a secret court order could be applied for which would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

It would be good *if* the WMF can provide assurances to editors that they havent received any national security letters or other 'trawling' requests from any U.S. agency. If the WMF has received zero such requests, can the WMF say that? There wouldn't be any gag order.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Forwarded to legal at wikimedia.org Fred I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than necessary. Of course, there is the question of if the NSA asks for our checkuser data. I am relatively confident of WMF's honesty here. They have been pretty concerned about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

They tap directly into the internet backbone. Only if there is some particular matter which interests them which they would need our help to decipher would they contact the Foundation. There are a few things out there that I can imagine them being interested in, but very few. For example, there

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

David Gerard wrote: On 10 June 2013 18:01, Rand McRanderson therands...@gmail.com wrote: I think the key here is not to keep more information about users than necessary. In particular - at present. as I understand it, we don't keep full access logs, just 1/1000 samples. We need to not keep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Le 2013-06-10 14:29, Craig Franklin a écrit : If the NSA, CIA, or some other spook agency is getting information off of Wikimedia servers, they don't have a CU account or anything like that. They'd have a program running at the operating system level that extracts the data in a

[Wikimedia-l] Some Unanswered Questions

We can guess, of course, and some of us are very good guessers, but here: http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=5-basic-unknowns-nsa-black-hole-prism Fred ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Le 2013-06-11 14:09, Fred Bauder a écrit : There will always be humans maintaining the system who must, in order to do their work, have potential access to everything. A potential access to everything is a so vast and vague assertion that it practicaly denote nothing. Also, one could come

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

Fred Bauder, 12/06/2013 22:47: We hack network backbones – like huge internet routers, basically – that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one, http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/12/edward-snowden-us

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

I would like to raise the option of a more Wikipedia-like protest. How about, on the English Wikipedia, picking one day to make the Main Page topic-specific, similar to the traditional April 1 selection? Candidates, off the top of my hat: [[NSA]] / [[Black Chamber]] [[PRISM (surveillance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.ukwrote: PRISM From @ShammaBoyarin on Twitter: Its not as if the NSA were mass downloading articles from JSTOR. Certainly if the evidence showed that the NSA were breaking into wiring closets and hacking into computer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] PRISM

On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.netwrote: (Yes, you can speculate that they're probably doing this too, but this particular scandal is the NSA getting information from computer networks with the permission of the computer owners, not despite the owners

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] PRISM, government surveillance, and Wikimedia: Request for community feedback

The reporting in the UK is that it is aimed at 'foreigners'. I think that is us! Of course that may be for domestic US consumption. Yes, the thing is, we are an international organization, and, frankly, we don't vet people politically before they can create an account or edit. Our trust system

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

or ever used or how is another matter. Fred Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: The GCHQ mass tapping operation has been built up over five years by attaching intercept probes to transatlantic fibre-optic cables where they land on British shores

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Tapping into the Backbone

would be of interest to an intelligence agencies focused on actual threats. Fred Where is that question in this topic? Huib Op zaterdag 22 juni 2013 schreef Fred Bauder (fredb...@fairpoint.net) het volgende: Can you please stop spamming Us With topics like this? Its not Wikimedia related

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [tangential] Why voting is evil

Rick Falkvinge has been writing a book, Swarmwise, on how the Pirate Party organised. He's been posting it a chapter at a time to his blog. You know how Wikipedia/Wikimedia has (or had) the meme that voting is evil? This sets out why.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

I don't get it. I was able to use a Wikipedia link to find a place to download The Searchers, a John Ford film starring John Wayne in about 30 seconds. How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Fred Hi there, two months after the smoking cannabis controversy, the Russian Wikipedia is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How is that not theft that we are facilitating? Because theft, is to deprive, temporarily or absolutely, the owner of it, or a person who has a special property or interest in it, of the thing or of his property or interest in it. In some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

On 9 July 2013 23:46, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Well, not wanting to wade into that pirates' little helpers snarkiness, but it takes 30 seconds from anywhere on the web to find a copyright violation. Maybe a bit longer if you have a slow connection. Risker True

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

- Original Message - From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2013 4:36 AM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again On 07/09/2013 08:37 PM, Fred Bauder wrote: How

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia in trouble /yet/ again

If you post a creative work on a website the purpose which is to share files you have assumed the rights of the owner, one of which is to determine the conditions which must be met to view or listen to the work. The owner can give his work away to the world but not third parties. Fred

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

I just checked the archives. The original message was not received by the mailing list, for whatever reason, probably misaddressed. This message of inquiry is the first message in the tread. I think you should resend the original message if your mail program permits that. Sounds interesting...

[Wikimedia-l] Resend: The soft underbelly of the WP: the sponsored private fiefdoms that thrive in the blind spots

Resent so I have an original copy to reply to. Dear All It is certainly not news that a lot of deliberately biased editing goes on on the Wikipedia. It is equally known that there are mechanims to address these issues. But that is where the problem lies - those intent on skewing information

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