Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimédia France travel policy Learning patterns

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

WMPL rocks! Maybe it's time to translate it to English :p

On 9 March 2015 at 12:22, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote:

 We have created such a policy several years ago:

 https://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Rozliczenie_koszt%C3%B3w_wyjazdu

 :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from
several volunteers.

On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's horribly ugly, I expected more.

 I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I don't
 know) but we had way better designs before.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Design of BoT election banner

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Oh, it's not about the idea of banners or about their usual performance,
it's about this particular ribbon. When I set anonnotice or sitenotice on a
big wiki, I aim the statement to be aligned with UX... discoveries. Don't
set extensive dark backgrounds (unless it's about to be
accessibility-oriented), use one colour palette, don't use many icons,
borders or any additional/unnecessary/redundant elements in general, be
consistent. WMF has UX team (it even has a Visual Experience Designer), I
kindly suggest to watch their efforts and make our users benefit from that.

On 22 April 2015 at 16:58, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com wrote:

 To be clear by our banners I meant Wikimedia banners - not elections
 banners. ;)

 -greg

 On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:57 AM, Gregory Varnum gregory.var...@gmail.com
 
 wrote:

  I appreciate that there are basically always concerns with our banners.
  Generally, I hear from volunteers on nearly every banner we use. ;)
 
  That said, it would be helpful to have some more constructive feedback to
  pass along to the next committee. What exactly would you suggest be
  changed? Passing along the note and some people disliked the banners is
  unlikely to produce much actual change.
 
  Anything specific we can pass along? Also, any examples of alternatives
  can be saved and passed along as well.
 
  -greg (User:Varnent)
  Coordinator, 2015 Wikimedia Foundation Elections Committee
 
  On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 10:21 AM, Szymon Grabarczuk 
  tar.locesil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I must agree with that. I've received clearly negative feedback from
  several volunteers.
 
  On 22 April 2015 at 13:18, Amir Ladsgroup ladsgr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   It's horribly ugly, I expected more.
  
   I don't want to de-value someone's work (a person or persons that I
  don't
   know) but we had way better designs before.
  
  
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A new structure for WMF Engineering.

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

On 22 April 2015 at 04:19, Lila Tretikov l...@wikimedia.org wrote:


 We will update the Wikimedia Foundation site Staff page soon to reflect
 these new teams.


It's been a week since Lila wrote soon. I'd love to have a look at the
page (I need it to pass the news along to my community). Unfortunately, it
hasn't been updated. Are there any blocking issues?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Technical issues of Wikimedia [was: Particular interests and common ground]

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

+1 for "saying 'technical parts of Wikipedia sucks' is as the same as
'Wikipedia sucks' ".
+1 for "the biggest problem is the user interface design of Wikipedia" and
your Winter-related thoughts (I may be also wrong).

Thanks for all the message.

On 20 February 2016 at 03:02, Amir Ladsgroup <ladsgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Milos,
> You talked about things that I'm in no place to comment but I want to
> emphasize on this part of your email:
> "For the last 8 years, just two things have been working without
> problems in WMF: Money and tech infrastructure (servers, "plain"
> MediaWiki, optimizations etc.)."
> We hear about technical issues of Wikipedia a lot. We hear Wikipedia is
> behind in technology, that it's underperforming. etc. etc. It's not just
> you. It's a lot of people in the community of editors too. I highly doubt
> that I can comment on this matter, there are definitely better people but I
> can't keep it anymore. Maybe my perspective as a non-WMF employee who works
> in technical issues would be worth publishing.
>
> The process of getting something technical done is as the same as editing
> in wiki. It needs a certain amount of expertise like editing most of the
> articles as well. Anyone can make a patch for every part of Wikipedia and
> after some code review. it's there. IMO saying "technical parts of
> Wikipedia sucks" is as the same as "Wikipedia sucks". Technical space of
> Wikimedia is filled with volunteers. I saw unimaginable times that people
> work over the weekend, take a day off and then work again because unlike
> most companies people care about their job in a good way. Helping in
> technical issues just need passion and caring. Let me tell you a story. I
> didn't know how to write a line of code in my first three years of editing
> Wikipedia. I was just a teenage boy who was making articles about movies he
> watched, songs he liked, etc. and then I cared about Wikipedia so much that
> I wanted to help more and I heard about cool things called robots (and
> believe me, for a very long time I thought bots are physical things that
> edit Wikipedia) so I tried to read about it, there was virtually no help in
> Persian and my English was so bad that I needed dictionary for everything I
> read (google translate was a sci-fi idea back then) but I learned and
> learned and I'm still learning just to make Wikipedia a better place, I
> hate programming as a goal, it's just a mean.
>
> I just want to remind you people done a hell out of job in technical
> aspects. It wasn't just in their working time. It was also a huge volunteer
> time too, either by staff or non-WMF employees. Feeling this advantages is
> not hard. Just take a look at Google's Knol. It was done by *the* Google
> and it's this. We, as a movement, are competing with companies like Google,
> Facebook or twitter the same way we are competing with Britannica.
> Honestly, I think if someone just published a statement saying "There is a
> cool project called Knowledge Engine but we don't have money for it, We can
> just give you a space to put your source code and test it, and running it."
> We would be knocking over google by 2020, as what we did with Britannica.
>
> I think, maybe I'm wrong please correct me if I am, the biggest problem is
> the user interface design of Wikipedia. It looks boring. I know there were,
> and there are great designers who also love Wikipedia the same way you do.
> I saw what they are capable of. Look at Winter or preferences redesign [1].
> They are capable of making Wikipedia ten times more user-friendly and
> beautiful. I don't know why it hasn't happened, maybe the community is too
> conservative, maybe it's some kind of branding. I asked my life partner and
> he said Wikipedia looks beautiful to the most of its readers, the same way
> a fresh cupcake smells good, because Wikipedia is awesome. I guess people
> who work in bakeries doesn't like the smell of cupcakes as much as other
> people.
>
> My last words: If you encounter any technical issues, please report and if
> you think it's important to solve technical problems you are more than
> welcome to join the club. Just check out the developer hub [2] and
> there are tons of manuals in the internet, also there are people in IRC
> channels willing to help.
>
> [1]: It aches my heart every time I see it:
>
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Redesign_user_preferences
>
> [2]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Developer_hub
>
> I hope more people chime in and comment to fix this misconception or
> correct me.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Timeless: a grant proposal

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Gerard mentioned Wikidata, which collects interwiki and is a cross-wiki
database, so to me it's clear that by "multiple projects" he meant just
Wikimedia projects. This is specifically about focusing on cross-wiki
collaboration.

Well, an interesting point. That issue is one of main points of our
strategy consultations.

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On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering
> exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know
> and I'll do what I can to improve it.
>
> By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid
> right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia
> projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course
> something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on
> this list.
>
> -I
>
>
> On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
>> Hoi,
>> What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are
>> great
>> possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
>>
>> One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an
>> article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be
>> related
>> in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a
>> reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for
>> multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work
>> for
>> other projects.
>> Thanks,
>>   GerardM
>>
>> On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos <zhoris...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant
>>> proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed
>>> for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
>>>
>>> * Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
>>> but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper
>>> research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability
>>> to
>>> devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs.
>>> This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended
>>> to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing
>>> interfaces, will serve to address this need.
>>> * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless
>>>
>>> Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to
>>> take a look at the current version:
>>>
>>> * Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
>>> org/wiki/Main_Page
>>> * To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of
>>> the
>>> Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already
>>> been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
>>> -
>>> you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some
>>> of the things you might do here, or simply append the string
>>> ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look
>>> like
>>> in Timeless
>>> * Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
>>>
>>> If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I
>>> would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you
>>> have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have
>>> faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might
>>> be
>>> able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better
>>> they
>>> will be.
>>>
>>> I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our
>>> project interfaces.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Isarra
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Or Jimbo? :D

On Wed, 27 Jun 2018, 10:36 FRED BAUDER,  wrote:

> If you edit that page you should be aware of the legal implications of
> what you write. You can consult our lawyers or Jimbo if you need to. It
> should be tailored to whatever is unique about your language or nation. Not
> sure if there is some global policy somewhere. It is legal. It limits
> liability by notifying users of various realities, such as, we cannot, and
> do not, guarantee reliability, so use at your own risk.
>
> Fred Bauder
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Amir E. Aharoni 
> To: wikimedia-l 
> Sent: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 03:50:02 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Official disclaimers
>
> Hi,
>
> All WMF wikis have a "Disclaimers" link at the bottom.
>
> The target page often includes language that sounds legal, but they can be
> edited by people who don't have any official legal role or certification.
>
> Is there a general, global policy about how the name of this link is
> translated, and about what is written on the page where it leads?
>
> --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Hi Ad,

thanks for your support. These pages are definitely not orphans :) I'm
going to publish translations, add the list in a visible place, etc., but I
need to fix other stuff first. No worries, all of it will be done before
Monday.

P.S. Please give me a chance to move the orphanage. *{{In use}}*!

Z poważaniem / Kind regards

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 13:28, Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:

> The working groups created a summary of their recommendations in a
> nutshell. They are published on meta. These orphan pages looked so lonely,
> I collected them in an orphanage: Wikimedia 2030: Links to nutshells of
> recommendations per working group
> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Orphanage>.
>
> For ease of access, here are the separate links:
> 1.Advocacy Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Advocacy/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 2.Capacity Building Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Capacity_Building/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 3.Community Health Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Community_Health/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 4.Diversity Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Diversity/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 5.Partnerships Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Partnerships/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 6.Product & Technology Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Product_%26_Technology/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 7.Resource Allocation Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 8.Revenue Streams Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Resource_Allocation/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
> 9.Roles & Responsibilities Nutshell
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Roles_%26_Responsibilities/Recommendations/Nutshell
> >
>
> Although in an orphanage, these orphans are still hungry, so please feed
> them on their talk pages :)
>
> Greetings,
>
> Ad Huikeshoven
>
> P.S. Please be-bold if you do feel the urge to rename or move the
> orphanage.
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 8:37 PM Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear fellow Wikimedians,
> >
> > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to announce the first round of
> > draft recommendations for structural change within our movement have
> > been published. The recommendations have been developed by the nine
> > Wikimedia 2030 working groups and are a key tool to help us build the
> > future of our movement.
> >
> > Working group members have been working tirelessly for a year to
> > research the movement, analyze community input shared via community
> > conversations, and gain insight into external trends. A huge thank you
> > to each and every member for helping us reach this key milestone.
> >
> > The draft recommendations are a first look at ways we can adapt our
> > movement’s structures to help us advance in our strategic direction.
> > They are the starting point for conversations about what kind of
> > future we want to create together.
> >
> > The recommendations are not final. In order to get them to that stage,
> > your input is needed! We would like to hear from you all what these
> > changes would mean for you in your local or thematic context, what do
> > you like about them, and where you potentially see any red flags. And
> > of course, always critically question whether these recommendations
> > support the strategic direction.
> >
> > There are a few ways to do this:
> > * Read through the recommendations online and provide your input
> > directly on Meta. [2]
> > * If you will be at Wikimania, join us in the Wikimedia 2030 space. [3]
> > * Attend a Strategy Salon hosted by an affiliate where you live. [4]
> > * Reach out to a Strategy Liaison in your language to share feedback,
> > or lead a conversation of your own. [5]
> >
> > Over the next month, working groups will take the input they receive
> > into the recommendations, alongside external advice and research, and
> > use it to refine and fina

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

How about talk pages?

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2019 at 14:28, Todd Allen  wrote:

> There does not seem to be anywhere to comment on these, which there should
> be. I saw at least one which is highly objectionable and which I would like
> to object to.
>
> Todd
>
> On Fri, Aug 9, 2019 at 12:37 PM Nicole Ebber 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear fellow Wikimedians,
> >
> > They’re here! [1] We are delighted to announce the first round of
> > draft recommendations for structural change within our movement have
> > been published. The recommendations have been developed by the nine
> > Wikimedia 2030 working groups and are a key tool to help us build the
> > future of our movement.
> >
> > Working group members have been working tirelessly for a year to
> > research the movement, analyze community input shared via community
> > conversations, and gain insight into external trends. A huge thank you
> > to each and every member for helping us reach this key milestone.
> >
> > The draft recommendations are a first look at ways we can adapt our
> > movement’s structures to help us advance in our strategic direction.
> > They are the starting point for conversations about what kind of
> > future we want to create together.
> >
> > The recommendations are not final. In order to get them to that stage,
> > your input is needed! We would like to hear from you all what these
> > changes would mean for you in your local or thematic context, what do
> > you like about them, and where you potentially see any red flags. And
> > of course, always critically question whether these recommendations
> > support the strategic direction.
> >
> > There are a few ways to do this:
> > * Read through the recommendations online and provide your input
> > directly on Meta. [2]
> > * If you will be at Wikimania, join us in the Wikimedia 2030 space. [3]
> > * Attend a Strategy Salon hosted by an affiliate where you live. [4]
> > * Reach out to a Strategy Liaison in your language to share feedback,
> > or lead a conversation of your own. [5]
> >
> > Over the next month, working groups will take the input they receive
> > into the recommendations, alongside external advice and research, and
> > use it to refine and finalize them. Share your views, and help shape
> > what Wikimedia will look like in 2030 and beyond.
> >
> > If you have any questions or feedback, please feel free to get in touch.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Nicole
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > [2]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations
> > [3] https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki/2019:Wikimedia_2030
> > [4]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/2019_Community_Conversations/Strategy_Salons
> > [5]
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/People/Community_Strategy_Liaisons
> >
> > --
> > Nicole Ebber
> > Adviser International Relations
> > Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy
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[Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey 2021

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

We invite all registered users to vote on the 2021 Community Wishlist
Survey[1]. You can vote until 21 December for as many different wishes as
you want.

In the Survey, wishes for new and improved tools for experienced editors
are collected. After the voting, we will do our best to grant your wishes.
We will start with the most popular ones.

We, the Community Tech[2], are one of the Wikimedia Foundation[3] teams. We
create and improve editing and wiki moderation tools. What we work on is
decided based on results of the Community Wishlist Survey. Once a year, you
can submit wishes. After two weeks, you can vote on the ones that you're
most interested in. Next, we choose wishes from the survey to work on. Some
of the wishes may be granted by volunteer developers or other teams.

We are waiting for your votes. Thank you!

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Tech
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation

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[Wikimedia-l] 2021 Community Wishlist Survey

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

The 2021 Community Wishlist Survey[1] is now open!

This survey is the process where communities decide what the Community
Tech[2] team should work on over the next year. We encourage everyone to
submit proposals until the deadline on 30 November, or comment on other
proposals to help make them better. The communities will vote on the
proposals between 8 December and 21 December.

The Community Tech team is focused on tools for experienced Wikimedia
editors. You can write proposals in any language, and we will translate
them for you.

Thank you, and we look forward to seeing your proposals!

P.S. If the pages are not fully translated into your language, visit a
dedicated page[3], be bold, and add the translations!

[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2021
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[Wikimedia-l] Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

 The Community Wishlist Survey 2022
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022> starts in
less than two weeks (Monday 10 January 2022, 18:00 UTC
<https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20220110T1800>).
We, the team organizing the Survey, need your help.

   - Translate important messages
   
<https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate=agg-Community_Wishlist_Survey=page>
   and/or
   - Promote the Survey
   <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Help_us>
   among anyone and everyone you know who has an account on wiki. Promote the
   Survey on social media, via instant messaging apps, in other groups and
   chats, in your WikiProject, Wikimedia affiliate - wherever contributors
   with registered accounts may be.
   - You may also start thinking about ideas for technical improvements or
   even writing them down in the CWS sandbox
   <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/Sandbox>.

*Why are we asking?*

   - We have improved the documentation
   <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ>. It's
   friendlier and easier to use. This will mean little if it's only in English.
   - Thousands of volunteers haven't participated in the Survey yet. We'd
   like to improve that, too. Three years ago, 1387 people participated. Last
   year, there were 1773 of them. We hope that in the upcoming edition, there
   will be even more - if you help us with translations. Also, you are better
   than us in contacting Wikimedians outside of wikis. We have prepared some
   images to share. More to come.

*What is the Community Wishlist Survey?*

It's an annual survey that allows contributors to the Wikimedia projects to
propose and vote for tools and platform improvements. Long years of
experience in editing or technical skills are not required.

Thank you for your time and attention. To those who have participated in
the Survey - many thanks for your dedication.

See you in January!

Szymon Grabarczuk (he/him)

Community Relations Specialist

Wikimedia Foundation
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: [Wikitech-l] Re: Re: Re: Uplifting the multimedia stack (was: Community Wishlist Survery)

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Hello, I'd like to refer to the original subject of the discussion -
tomorrow is the last day for submitting proposals for the Community
Wishlist Survey 2022.

Apart from that, everyone is welcome to translate, promote, and discuss
proposals:
https://diff.wikimedia.org/2022/01/10/what-improvements-in-wikimedia-platforms-would-you-like-to-see-help-the-wikimedia-foundation-to-grant-the-communities-wishes/

Best wishes,

Szymon Grabarczuk (he/him)

Community Relations Specialist

Wikimedia Foundation


On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 2:43 PM Strainu  wrote:

> În mar., 11 ian. 2022 la 08:01, Kunal Mehta  a scris:
> >
> > So I think the status quo can be changed by just about anyone who is
> > motivated to do so, not by trying to convince the WMF to change its
> > prioritization, but just by doing the work. We should be empowering
> > those people rather than continuing to further entrench a WMF technical
> > monopoly.
> >
>
> Counterexample:
>
> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org/message/G2QTRJFAUKLE45SFTFUHOOTOBR6G3DP3/
> (this was the situation that I quoted in my first email on this thread
> as the WMF refusing to even do reviews).
>
> Maybe it's just the multimedia part that it's in this desperate
> situation, but I can totally see volunteer developers getting
> discouraged quickly if their patches are outright ignored.
>
> Strainu
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[Wikimedia-l] Re: Community Wishlist Survey 2022 is coming. Help us and prepare

[Szymon Grabarczuk]

Dear Gnangarra and everyone who feels misinformed,

Please take into account my reply published on the same page, a few diffs
later:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Larger_suggestions/General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets=next=22669903

In a nutshell, the voting results are instructions for the Community Tech
team. Since our team can't hire another team, such wishes, unfortunately,
can't be voted upon. Instead, these become "larger suggestions" which will
be shared with the leadership of the Product department at the Wikimedia
Foundation.

I invite you to discuss the details on the Survey talk page:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Community_Wishlist_Survey

Best,

Szymon Grabarczuk (he/him)

Community Relations Specialist

Wikimedia Foundation


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:18 AM Gnangarra  wrote:

> so much for all the assurances here
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons/General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets=next=22663179
>  Out of scope for our team, which I hope is obvious
>
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 12:26, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
>> Commons issues raised in
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Multimedia_and_Commons#General_maintenance,_outstanding_phabricator_tickets
>>
>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2022 at 05:16, Bodhisattwa Mandal <
>> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe, the Community Tech team should start picking up long standing
>>> issues first which are being proposed repetitively almost every year but do
>>> not get adequate votes to receive their attention.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 15, 2022, 00:59 Mike Peel  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Not sure if the opening of the Wishlist has been announced here yet?
>>>> But
>>>> it seems to be open for proposals until the 23rd.
>>>>
>>>> Which means I get to propose fixing a simple technical question for the
>>>> fifth time in the wishlist: does this page exist?
>>>>
>>>> Seriously.
>>>>
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey_2022/Miscellaneous/Check_if_a_page_exists_without_populating_WhatLinksHere
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> On 5/1/22 16:10:37, Natalia Rodriguez wrote:
>>>> > Hey all,
>>>> > Nice to meet many of you for the first time! Thanks for your feedback
>>>> > and for raising larger concerns around resource allocation at the
>>>> > Foundation. These concerns are extremely valid-- especially the ones
>>>> > around allocating resources for less supported platforms such as
>>>> Commons
>>>> > and broken infrastructure. The wishlist process will begin next week
>>>> > with the proposal phase starting Jan 10.
>>>> >
>>>> > In the email thread, I identified some open questions about the
>>>> Wishlist
>>>> > process so I am answering them here.
>>>> >
>>>> >   *
>>>> > Can we vote/focus on the maintenance of tools rather than new
>>>> tools?
>>>> >   o
>>>> > Yes. The wishes that we work on do not have to be associated
>>>> > with a new tool. In the past we’ve taken on projects that were
>>>> > maintenance related. For example, in the last year, we took on
>>>> > improvement projects for Wikisource Export and Wikisource OCR
>>>> > tools, among other initiatives. We also maintain and fix all
>>>> the
>>>> > tools we’ve built in the past.Check out the fresh
>>>> documentation
>>>> > about what qualifies as a proposal here.
>>>> > <
>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Wishlist_Survey/FAQ#How_to_create_a_good_proposal
>>>> ?>
>>>> >   o
>>>> > Gnangarra, your points about the issues with bulk uploads in
>>>> > Commons would make a sound proposal-- a proposal does not have
>>>> > to be a new tool in the least. The part about uploading large
>>>> > files is out of scope for our team though (see link above
>>>> about
>>>> > our areas of focus, the issue is infrastructural
>>>> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T86436>and too large for
>>>> what
>>>> >