On 16 September 2014 21:32, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Diego, that is definitely what we're thinking about for the subscriptions
options -- giving users the ability to choose whether they want to
subscribe to every new thread, or just get a notification that a new thread
has been
On 17 September 2014 12:46, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
Nitpick: If watchlist and notifications remain separated, it makes more
sense to me to call the operation that adds something to watchlist watch
rather than ''subscribe.
Good catch, that makes sense for me too.
On 15 September 2014 19:24, Danny Horn dh...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Some people are seeing Flow messages as really important, something that
they want to get updates on right away -- and right away can mean either
in their watchlist where they go all the time, or in Echo where they'll see
the
On 15 September 2014 15:24, Amir E. Aharoni
amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
That is quite true. A deep modernization of the Watchlist should be coupled
with the Flow poject somehow. Either Special:Watchlist itself should be
profoundly redesigned and upgraded, or the Flow+Echo notifications
On 10 September 2014 17:47, Martijn Hoekstra
I think this is something of an oops, and not really something we should
judge the product on. Currently the broken mess is notify on all posts on
all threads on the page, which should be notify on all posts on the
subscribed thread, and possible on
Gerard, please think of the consequences of what you're proposing.
There are features at talk pages (detailed watchlists, incremental
diffs, true deletion of content) that allow editors and admins to
detect and combat vandalism and remove BLP sensible material and
libel; features which are not
On 10 September 2014 19:29, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote:
On 09/10/2014 01:25 PM, Diego Moya wrote:
[...] that allow editors and admins to
detect and combat vandalism and remove BLP sensible material and
libel; features which are not available in Flow as of today.
That is simply
/10/2014 01:41 PM, Diego Moya wrote:
Take a look at this deleted topic at the test page that was deployed at
en.wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topic:S214uoczkp47cfsx
As far as I can tell, you could see it because it never /was/ deleted.
I just deleted it, can you still see it?
I think
On 10 September 2014 22:28, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
I have about 3000 pages in my
watchlist, and receive around 400 updates daily only from talk pages,
which 50 or so come from unique pages
On 10 September 2014 19:49, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
The feature shouldn't be notify on all posts on the subscribed
thread either. I don't want to be notified every time a new thread
appears at any
On 10 September 2014 22:49, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote:
That doesn't make any difference, Martijn. I ''want'' to be subscribed
to all the topics at my 3000 pages, I just don't want to get a
notification for all them; I want to actively seek most of those at
the watchlist
On 10 September 2014 19:54, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
I want us to cut the crap. Absolutely get rid of talk pages and understand
what it is EXACTLY what the cost benefit is of such a change.
That should be known in advance, before removing the old mechanisms,
not as a
Thanks Erik for your mindful comment. Such high level technical,
social and strategic vision is rare to find. It deserves being placed
in a prominent position for increased visibility, and it helps in
building bridges with the community.
Inter-wiki conversation sounds indeed like a killer feature
application on top of the suggested
architecture for Flow, I will eat my words with an apology :-)
However, that capability of the system should be better explained so
that we can understand it and discuss its ramifications.
On 7 September 2014 23:53, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 09/06
On 8 September 2014 11:44, Diego Moya dialm...@gmail.com wrote:
Now if Erik vision for the deeper than I give him credit for,
... that would be: Now if Erik vision for the Flow platform is deeper
than I give him credit for...
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Gerard, with all due respect, your reply is all based on incorrect
assumptions. I recognize the severe problems that mediawiki conversations
currently have, and my points about Flow acknowledge that it's incomplete
software at its early stages and that it can grow into an acceptable tool
for
On 7 September 2014 13:33, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
wrote:
Get real and look what Flow is and how it can be improved. Check out the
use cases it works for and acknowledge the achievements. THEN and only THEN
consider the features that are being tested and are still deficient.
...and having said and sent that previous post, I want to publicly
apologize for the third paragraph counting from the end. That was uncalled
for.
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On 09/06/2014 17:06 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote:
On 09/06/2014 12:34 PM, Isarra Yos wrote:
if the designers do not even understand the basic principles behind a
wiki, how can what is developed possibly suit our needs?
You're starting from the presumption that, for some unexplained reason,
These are just assertions, however. I liked your earlier comments
because they are testable against the architecture (even if the
current implementation, early as it is, will fail many of these
tests). What real world needs cannot be met by a comment-centric
architecture for .. commenting?
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