Re: [Wikimedia-l] Foundation and affiliates disclosing salaries on job ads & the effect of this on workplace equity

2020-09-11 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice

2020-09-10 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-09 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Universal Code of Conduct draft for review

2020-09-08 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Institutional memory @ WMF

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
ot see how T can perform better either. An investigation of > such situation would require wading through thousands of diffs and > reconstructing the whole episodes, and I just do not see how this can be > done. > > Best > Yaroslav > > On Tue, Aug 25, 2020 at 12:57 PM Gna

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-25 Thread Gnangarra
h these reports. > > > > > > You either get a language that is too big and inefficient to treat > reports, > > or languages that, because of the size, they harasser may just outright > > know the ones who deal with these problems. That's why T needs way more > > p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-24 Thread Gnangarra
i has community sanction discussions, other > projects have other methods. > > At no point would removing the ANI report mid-discussion be helpful. And > doing so then claiming that it’s the community’s fault is clearly > incorrect. > > Regards, > Vermont > > &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
> Safety team in my harassment case told me to "politely" ask my > harrasers > > to > > > stop harassing me. Please don t relay on them for such a serious > matter! > > > Please be safe and I m sure you can seek help by trained and serious > > peopl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Sexual harassment

2020-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-20 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Operation and oversight of OTRS system

2020-07-19 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Call for participation: World War II… 75 Years After

2020-07-08 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcing a new Wikimedia project: Abstract Wikipedia

2020-07-02 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Gnangarra
> if it had been Natalia. But certainly, publicly identifying the incorrect > person in an accusation is no small thing. > > Gnangarra, you have given yourself an opportunity to show the rest of us > what it looks like to take responsibility for doing something wrong. I > think we a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-23 Thread Gnangarra
My apologies for that error On Tue, 23 Jun 2020 at 15:56, revi wrote: > Hi, > > > 2020. 6. 23. 14:13, Gnangarra 작성: > > > > Nat insulted an ESEAP > > affiliate because she wanted a European affiliate to endorse her > > nomination. > > Fact ch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
> > (Just reminding that Nat was not elected by the community, as Gnangarra seems to think, but by the affiliates.) Taking responsibility for a gross failure does in fact mean accepting and acknowledging you failed, and then stating what you intend to do to rectify that failing. I kn

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board Update on Branding

2020-06-22 Thread Gnangarra
nswer it during your days off. Thank you in > > advance!* > > ___ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-26 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Trust and safety on Wikimedia projects

2020-05-23 Thread Gnangarra
ion to act. It is the shared goal of the > > > Board > > > > and Foundation that these efforts advance a sustainable Wikimedia > > > movement > > > > and support, rather than substitute, effective models of community > > > > governance.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-22 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Gnangarra
see this as a fix, even if we > run two systems in parallel until the structured data is (a) mature (b) > sensible and (c) throughly reliable. > > > --- > New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here: > https://www.oeclassic.com/ > > - Original Mes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-18 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-17 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Commons

2020-05-16 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New Feature from Community Tech: Enhanced Password Reset

2020-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is the Wikimedia-movement apolitical?

2020-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Early thoughts regarding a global code of conduct and a GCC committee

2020-04-20 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-04-11 Thread Gnangarra
ia.org/wiki/Brand_Network > > > > > > > > > > > > [3] https://brandingwikipedia.org/concepts/ > > > > > > > > > > > > [4] Join via Zoom: > > > > > > > > > > > > https://wikimedia.zoom.us/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Brand Project: Who are we as a movement?

2020-03-23 Thread Gnangarra
This does have feeling of a company creating a financial relationship with the Foundation as way to bypass or backdoor a community ban thats been reviewed already. Over the years I've worked with many users who been blocked and help them become productive contributors but before they start

Re: [Wikimedia-l] April could be our Wikimedia month of kindness

2020-03-12 Thread Gnangarra
time to also look back through your photo collections maybe re-edit or add those images you always meant to but never quite got around to it On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 at 05:45, Mike Peel wrote: > More generally, is it a good time to encourage more people to start > editing the projects? Presumably

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Practical implications of Coronavirus

2020-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
wikimedia-l-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of Wikimedia-l digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-03-10 Thread Gnangarra
your patience is very much appreciated. Boodar-wun Gnangarra On Mon, 9 Mar 2020 at 19:48, Toni Ristovski wrote: > Dear Gnangarra, > > On your last email in this thread you mentioned that you will discuss > situation with corona virus CoVid-19, regarding upcoming Wikimania. I know > t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SEEKING A WIKIPEDIAN IN RESIDENCE! (U.S.)

2020-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
I also find it good to hear about these opportunities, I work with students doing both under graduate and post graduate studies these emails enable me to show to them that there are future opportunities and value in working with Wikimedia projects. Even though the scope is small and appears

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
Lets move this along towards a solution; Maybe the simplest solution is to create a delinker type bot that flags images which were used on Wikidata but the data item has since been deleted thus flagging the file for review on Commons. This addresses the concerns over spam Wikidata id's being

Re: [Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
eventualities especially scenarios related to the virus. Community safety is at the absolute forefront of our plans and concerns. Regards On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:05, Ciell Wikipedia wrote: > Hi Gnangarra, > > With the Corona virus spreading rapidly around the world: can you tell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
Its an interest aspect of speaking generically to describe any issue that the demand for links turns a discussion from general to specific that says. Firstly I dont trust you, I'm not assuming good faith in your reason for starting the discussion. Then secondly it focus the discussion to one point

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
process has to be revisited, is to be revisited in order > for OTRS to function for all of us. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 08:09, Gnangarra wrote: > > > to quote Gerard > > > > There is no law that insists on the existing ru

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-26 Thread Gnangarra
I have 15 years experience on the coal face, and now more than 10 years actively encouraging others to part of that. I come from the time where the community was growing really fast and templates werent available for every action, that meant we had to leave personal message explaining what had

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
YEs Commons does have it all laid out at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS so that everyone can follow those steps. On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 15:08, Gnangarra wrote: > to quote Gerard > > There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put >>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
There are MANY science awards > and we want a picture for all awardees in addition, in the Scholia tool we > want pictures of any and all people that authored a paper. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 02:06, Gnangarra wrote: > > > For legal reasons OTRS require

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
For legal reasons OTRS requires very specific wording, it declines permissions that fail to meet that very strict wording. The person must; - establish their authority to license the image - the license must be a free license PD or CC-by - it must not say the use is to, for, or on

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Scholarships Wikimania 2020

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
committee we look forward to seeing you in Bangkok in August. -- Gnangarra Wikimania Scholarship committee Co-chair *Power of Diverse Collaboration* *Sharing knowledge brings people together* Wikimania Bangkok 2020 August 5 to 9 hosted by ESEAP Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki

[Wikimedia-l] 2020 Wikimania Scholarships now open

2020-02-20 Thread Gnangarra
committee we look forward to seeing you in Bangkok in August. -- Gnangarra Wikimania Scholarship committee Co-chair *Power of Diverse Collaboration* *Sharing knowledge brings people together* Wikimania Bangkok 2020 August 5 to 9 hosted by ESEAP Wikimania: https://wikimania.wikimedia.org/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update #4: Upcoming call for participation in Working Groups

2018-06-07 Thread Gnangarra
to quote https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups *During the Wikimedia Conference 2018, the Working Group “Roles & Responsibilities” proposed “Power Dynamics” as a title instead. As power is only a part of the broader conversation around global, regional

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] Classification/Categorization games for Commons?

2018-06-06 Thread Gnangarra
I'd be more concern that the game throws up very generic and vague descriptions like, person, ship, cat, dog, tree, flowers, street. Which in itself might seem helpful but may not even highlight the important aspect. - Would a bot doing an initial keyword search of the description be more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-28 Thread Gnangarra
I think thats a little disingenuous to say that we dont take care of our volunteers and that its a negative message to not give some financial reward to admins. We came here by choice, whether we are here for a long time or a short time we chose to add to the sum of all knowledge for myriad of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kio faras vin feliĉa ĉi-semajne? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 27 May 2018)

2018-05-26 Thread Gnangarra
Its raining around Cape town including the catchment areas On 27 May 2018 at 12:19, Pine W wrote: > The Wikidata development team released to production the first version of > Wikidata support of lexicographical data: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-26 Thread Gnangarra
tever he/she feels like doing in the project (with oversight of > the community), which normally are core activities that cannot be bundled > up in a "project grant". > > Do these definitions make the distinction clear? > > Gnangarra, given those definitions, could y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Are we losing out against bad editing?

2018-05-26 Thread Gnangarra
Having paid admins would shift the WMF or an affiliate in to being legally responsible for the content on Wikipedia, it would also potentailly expose those editors to additional issue in their own countries, or during their travel On 26 May 2018 at 17:52, David Cuenca Tudela

[Wikimedia-l] Airtasker adds for articles

2018-05-24 Thread Gnangarra
I find this rather disturbing that Airtasker accepts adds for people wanting to have articles written, on wikipedia. The person writing the add is asking someone to violate WMF terms & Conditions as you can some of the respondents are indicating that they do this regularly

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
the speaker of a traditional oral story isnt the primary source there is no original research in the story they are just retelling with audible pen rather than a ink pen, the primary source is somewhere back in time. The almost identical similarities that traditional oral knowledge have with that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
har...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > What are the non-Western methods? > > בתאריך יום ו׳, 11 במאי 2018, 15:49, מאת Gnangarra ‏<gnanga...@gmail.com>: > > > thats the bias we dont accept knowledge as genuine or authorative until > its > > been established by a westerner using

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
t; > > > requirement it would probably still be there. Leaps of faith are > > things > > > > that I do not generally do, I am a natural sceptic and prefer > evidence, > > > and > > > > where possible, reproducible results. When the evidence i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-11 Thread Gnangarra
gt;> On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:05 AM Peter Southwood < > >>> peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > >>> > >>>> One Jar'Edo Wens hoax is enough, and that lasted 10 years in spite of > >>>> notability and verifiability requirements, Without the ver

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Gnangarra
and that means track > > > record and proof of identity. > > > This would be more easily fitted into a new project. I do not see it as > > > possible in Wikipedia. If the new project became recognised as a > reliable > > > source then Wikipedia cou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Gnangarra
t generally do, I am a natural sceptic and prefer evidence, > > and > > > where possible, reproducible results. When the evidence is intangible, > > the > > > authors must take responsibility for their work, and that means track > > > record and proof of iden

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-10 Thread Gnangarra
notability and verifiability are important, every culture and language has this issue when it comes to sharing knowledge. These culture manage successfully to share knowledge many of them long before the western styles were developed, I'd say they are robust alternatives. The issue is how do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to deal with spam subscription to mailing list

2018-05-09 Thread Gnangarra
wikimedfia australia list is getting a lot of aol requests as well On 9 May 2018 at 18:23, Sam Walton wrote: > I take it back, we're now having the same issue with the Wikipedia-Library > mailing list, and the edit filter mailing list spam has resumed. Is this > happening

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Gendergap approach causing problems

2018-05-07 Thread Gnangarra
I think the problems not in trying to fix the imbalance in knowledge, something for which history has big role in what and how information was even still is recorded. I think the presumption that when we ask women to edit about women we predispose the assumption that women are only interested in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
> > ​No​ >> thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request. > > > > -- G ​angarra . Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Out now: A.Gaynor, P.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia

2018-04-25 Thread Gnangarra
Nothing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request. On 25 April 2018 at 19:52, Michael Peel wrote: > Maybe it’s by an affiliate (WMAU?). Presumably it has to be someone with > permission to use the trademark, otherwise a request to google to turn it > off

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Social: non-profit social networking service ?

2018-04-10 Thread Gnangarra
what i see is that developing a full FB type network is outside the current scope and capacity of the movement and will probably remain there. There is always room for further development of tools for user and talk pages the will enhance collaborative activities. I also think that at some stage

Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube shooting and risk assessment

2018-04-05 Thread Gnangarra
ture nothing or simply "if there is a fire someone is paid to >> extinguish it"... you would make more effort, and we do. If you don't want >> to add another paragraph in the final document, rename it "safety and >> security" but start to think organically

Re: [Wikimedia-l] YouTube shooting and risk assessment

2018-04-05 Thread Gnangarra
Safety of attendees has for a long time been a criteria that needs to be addressed when bidding for any WMF event, the people bidding are the better placed to assess the reality of the local situation. Open bidding processes enable others to also critically look at the options, ultimately we are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Time to simplify the Bureaucracy ?

2018-03-23 Thread Gnangarra
en:wp has a vast collective of policies, guidelines and essays to navigate. Where once we had a philosophy "if the rule get in the way of making an enncyclopedia ignore the rules" now with so much of what we do the rules have become absolute. Acknwoledging BLLP, COI, and copyright need to be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of Grŵp Defnyddwyr Cymuned Wicimedia Cymru

2018-03-20 Thread Gnangarra
Wikimedia Australia also be interested in clarity on scope and over lap with WMUK activities as well as the legalities and implications to WMUK tax and charity status. WMAU has its own semi autonomous groups in locations around Australia the implications on WMAU charity and tax status should one

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Bangladesh's new board

2018-03-14 Thread Gnangarra
woolah, kia wanjoo noonook Wikimedia Bangladesh board On 14 March 2018 at 19:26, Nahid Sultan wrote: > Hi all, > We are happy to announce that the new board of Wikimedia Bangladesh has > been formed after our last AGM on January 27th and all 9 members from the > last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
A person language is a key part of their culture, their knowledge, and their identity to truly understand a concept its best shared in its original language. Since our goal is to freely share the sum the all knowledge we should be endeavouring to encourage every culture to use its own language.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
Agree with mathieo it needs to be something driven by the receiving language community with WMF support rather than something being pushed in to communities from the WMF or other projects. Such if the Swahili community thought that having say medical articles translated was something it felt was

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-27 Thread Gnangarra
> > ​ WWII is not an universal truth. If some small country claim the Nazis > was > the good guys, then they are simply wrong. > ​No even thats not entirely true for some countries WWII in Europe was foot note, for others WWII was the trigger for escaping colonial rule. Languages related to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid translation

2018-02-24 Thread Gnangarra
this would be a good practical exercise to develop for WiR / WikiEd programs in universities where they can engage with International Students and local students studying additional languages as means of learning the written nuances of the individual languages. Any funding would be better

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Meta email from user "Evad37" - Free Knowledge Portal

2018-02-10 Thread Gnangarra
forward with suggestions, requests, and help so that as a community we take an even bigger step in sharing the sum of all knowledge Regards Gideon Digby(Gnangarra) Vice President Wikimedia Australia Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Romania and Moldova User Group

2018-02-06 Thread Gnangarra
kaya woolah wanjoo nyungarang On 6 February 2018 at 16:24, Kangah Donatien KOFFI wrote: > Welcome! > > 2018-02-06 2:29 GMT+00:00 Asaf Bartov : > >> Congratulations! :) >> >>A. >> >> On Mon, Feb 5, 2018 at 5:51 PM Kirill Lokshin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who's awesome? You're awesome.

2018-01-12 Thread Gnangarra
Thank you. Thank you for the advice, the time, the energy, and the fun so far. Look forward to your continued work and helping with other projects, enjoy the special moment with your family and what ever opportunities arise from the independence. Cheers On 13 January 2018 at 04:57, Victor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Net neutrality

2017-11-27 Thread Gnangarra
What Net Neutrality is talking about is not creating a payTV format where you pay for channels(sites) more you pay the more you can access. Wikipedia Zero is different as its focus isnt on accessing the site its about making that access free from mobile/cell data charges in place where the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-25 Thread Gnangarra
here is a short url created using Google URL shortner https://goo.gl/pR1SAf On 26 October 2017 at 10:49, Biyanto Rebin wrote: > Dear Lodewijk, > > The link is broken too. Here is the the clickable link: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_ >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-25 Thread Gnangarra
Theres never the perfect solution, even with carefully selected groups you will never know what else could have been brought to the table, it doesnt matter where that line is whether its 2, 200, or 2000 whoever, however, what ever the criteria that the carefully selected group is comprised of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-24 Thread Gnangarra
Affiliates have no authority over content, just like the WMF has no authority over content, to imply otherwise whether intentionally or by accident of design is a problem we need fix ensuring that that line isnt crossed. Not only do legal and liabilities make this a must, for affiliates in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2018: Program themes, eligibility criteria and reporting deadlines

2017-10-23 Thread Gnangarra
I agree the risks involved with having projects including language wikipedias as recognised groups and represented by individuals will expose both them and the WMF to legal obligations. At the moment WMF is at arms length to the contributing communities as are affiliates, that's an important

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Gnangarra
WereSpielCheckers... point taken noting that the minimum figure has shifted from 0.75k to 1k, let leave it at that On 16 October 2017 at 17:30, WereSpielChequers <werespielchequ...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Gnangarra > > I've heard bad things about the articles for creation process,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-16 Thread Gnangarra
about the gender gap would not bring a positive image of our > movement. The gap is huge and we do need quantity. Readers noticing > mistakes sometimes become contributors (dont we need new contributors?). > Chosing such a tone “intentionally” (citing Gnangarra) is something I find &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gnangarra
t; Please avoid personal attacks based on hidden motivations you assume > other > > parties to have; it's contrary to the Wikimedia movement's social best > > practices [1] and bound to take discussions in unproductive directions. > > When criticizing what someone said, stick t

[Wikimedia-l] Women in red

2017-10-15 Thread Gnangarra
I cant believe this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/The_World_Contest has got WMF funding, the idea of trying to create 100,000 stub articles on english wikipedia without any thought to how it'll impact on the community. I find it ironic that a competition is

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: WMAu Committee - changes

2017-10-08 Thread Gnangarra
Wikimedia Australia held its Annual General Meeting(AGM) of members this afternoon(8 - Oct) Australian Time. As a requirement under law here at the AGM all committee positions are declared vacant and nominations/elections are held just prior. At the AGM the results are announced - President

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Facebook test features Wikipedia

2017-10-05 Thread Gnangarra
wonderful concept, and yes we need to do more about Newspapers on Wikipedia. Fortunately for Australia there has been a number of state libraries working on creating articles about all newspapers, so we had links in referencing to the source details in each state so Australian newspapers are at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Strategy] September 28: Strategy update - Final draft of movement direction and endorsement process (#25)

2017-10-05 Thread Gnangarra
Oral stories do adapt and change over time to suit the circumstances but the under lying fact remain consistent as in the case of Ziko's story that a King divided his realm amongst his sons thus forming the basis of the regions, whether its 5,7,9 or some other figure its still the same. We were

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Emerging Communities: a proposed new definition

2017-09-27 Thread Gnangarra
One thing that grabs me about this is the Languages section, 750,000 speakers appears to be a rather high bar. To explain there 2.5m people in Western Australia most of could be classed as speaking nys at a basic level because of the way the Noongar language has been adopted into the English and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] BLP and the Wikidata / Wikipedia controversy

2017-09-26 Thread Gnangarra
I wonder why a BLP policy wont work on Wikidata, as WD is individual facts that require a source as well, it may not be the same wording as en but the key principles are the same... No project should be scared of policy that stipulates accuracy and sourcing for living people On 17 September 2017

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-30 Thread Gnangarra
We have a number of source specific templates, such as {{EB1911}} for > > acknowledging re-used source material. There is as yet no automatic > > mechanism for changing these as and when the actual copying is replaced > > entirely. > > > > On 28 Aug 2017 01

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
and reuse is two different things. > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > that notice states that text has been used, a specific citation where the > > text would add context by using https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ > > Templa

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
ated in the page, and the present page may not > even contain this content anymore. > > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at least > > specifically for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Attribution of external content

2017-08-27 Thread Gnangarra
There is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:CC-notice on en at least specifically for the purpose of incorporating text licensed cc-by content within articles On 27 August 2017 at 21:28, John Erling Blad wrote: > In some cases we need to attribute content created on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] RFC on wikimedia-l posting limits

2017-08-23 Thread Gnangarra
For 1 I like the higher soft limit at 30 15 feels to low, though maybe we could encourage a bit id discretion on the list admins behalf if someone is approaching the soft limit but not productively contributing to discussions or being repeative. For 2 global ban should see a person removed form

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New feature: LoginNotify

2017-08-18 Thread Gnangarra
thats a great outcome, thanks to those that have made this happen On 19 August 2017 at 07:19, Todd Allen wrote: > Great to see this, thanks! > > Todd > > On Aug 18, 2017 5:15 PM, "Danny Horn" wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > The Community Tech team

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-08 Thread Gnangarra
about core content policies. > > Those are no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view. > > The one most don't follow is neutral point of view, where projects > rewrite > > world history to focus on their own local view. > > > > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:20

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Core content policy

2017-08-07 Thread Gnangarra
_content_, but > there should be no differences on _policy_ about that content. > Note also that there are some differences on use of _facts_ that are highly > troublesome, and that comes from relaxed core policies. > Armenian genocide for example. > > On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Gnangarra

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