Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Hi Gerard, We're diverging from the initial thread. I'll respond to one point, we should take the rest of the discussion somewhere else. :) On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > So yes, your approach is good but like the translation tool it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Hoi, When you consider Wikidata's data as a predictor of relevance and interest, the biggest problem is that Wikidata does not hold enough data at this time. The one approach I find missing in the approach you discuss in your presentation is local and timely information. Of relevance here are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Hoi Gerard, On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > > When you analyse articles and find that some things are missing, it will > help a lot when you can target these articles to the people who are likely > interested. When people interested in soccer

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 11:58 PM, John Erling Blad wrote: > Definitly part of the overall quality. I wonder, do you have any stats om > how much positive change the previous attempts have triggered? > ​[John and I went off-list for me to understand which specific previous

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Hoi, This is an interesting avenue. My I suggest one practical side of this? When you analyse articles and find that some things are missing, it will help a lot when you can target these articles to the people who are likely interested. When people interested in soccer learn that a soccer player

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Definitly part of the overall quality. I wonder, do you have any stats om how much positive change the previous attempts have triggered? Den man. 17. apr. 2017, 02.04 skrev Leila Zia : > Hi John, > > This may be of interest to you: > > We are working on building

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Hi John, This may be of interest to you: We are working on building recommendation systems than can help editors identify how to expand already existing articles in Wikipedia. This includes but is not limited to identifying what sections are missing from an article, what citations, what images,

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It is a manual rating system, which can be used for quality improvements. Cost-less rating systems have a inherit problem with gaming. That can be counteracted with rating of the raters, often called meta rating. You use reputation of the raters by observing disagreement and then use that to

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John, the AROWF project GSoC student implemented your proposal last year: https://github.com/priyankamandikal/arowf/blob/master/backlog.py She also used WikiWho to suggest review of out-of-date passages, and both categories and readability metrics to suggest review of unclear passages:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

16, 2017 7:11 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles Hoi, Humans are overrated. I saw this answer on Facebook [1] and [2] compare the two and tell me why we accept the bias in our editors. Why are we satisfied with what we write about when

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Sorry for the sprellig, I write this on a mobile with Norwegian spellchecker. Gerrards last question is about coverage, and bias, which is part of the overall quality for the project as such. Den søn. 16. apr. 2017, 19.22 skrev John Erling Blad : > I wrote a proposal a few

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I wrote a proposal a few years ago on how we could identfy some types of bias. The idea was to compare ranking of pageviews, and notify other projects about missing articles. I don't think anyone has done any followup om that Den søn. 16. apr. 2017, 19.12 skrev Gerard Meijssen <

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Textual and factual quality are different. Often we spellcheck an article and claim it to be of good quality, but I believe that is the lesser problem although it is part of the overall quality. Den søn. 16. apr. 2017, 18.59 skrev Ziko van Dijk : > Hello John, > > Article

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Hoi, Humans are overrated. I saw this answer on Facebook [1] and [2] compare the two and tell me why we accept the bias in our editors. Why are we satisfied with what we write about when there is more to inform about. Remember what we aim to achieve. It does not say text, it says share the sum of

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Yes I think using WD to look at stuff like dates of death between different languages would be interesting. J On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 1:44 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > How can you check for consistency when you are not able to appreciate if > certain facts

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Hello John, Article quality is an interesting subject. I guess that it depends extremely on what is the scientific discipline you come from, and what questions you want to be answered. A linguist will have a very different approach than a computer scientist, for example. If you ask me, only a

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Hoi, How can you check for consistency when you are not able to appreciate if certain facts (like date of death) exist and are the same? What can you say about sources when some Wikipedias insist on sources in their own language and sources in other languages you cannot read? How do you check for

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Agree it is an interesting question. One would need to clearly define what you mean by an "error" though. Simple vandalism is a relatively easy category to look at but otherwise it is complicated. One has: 1) Unreffed stuff for which one can find a supporting source 2) Text that is partly

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This is more about checking consistency between projects. It is interesting, but not quite what I was asking about. It is very interesting if it would be possible to say something about half-life of an error. I'm pretty sure this follows number of page views if ordinary logged-in editing is

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Hoi, Would checking if a date of death exists in articles be of interest to you. The idea is that Wikidata knows about dates of death and for "living people" the fact of a death should be the same in all projects. When the date of death is missing, there is either an issue at Wikidata (not the

[Wikimedia-l] Quality assurance of articles

Are anyone doing any work on automated quality assurance of articles? Not the ORES-stuff, that is about creating hints from measured features. I'm thinking about verifying existence and completeness of citations, and structure of logical arguments. John