On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:
> This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other
> new-user tools as well.
>
> CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface
> - is this sort of hook technically practical?
>
> Andrew.
>
Yes, technicall
This is a really interesting idea - not just for VE but for other
new-user tools as well.
CCing to Steven, who's been doing some work with the signup interface
- is this sort of hook technically practical?
Andrew.
On 15 October 2013 13:11, Jan Ainali wrote:
> From Charles original questions I g
On 16 October 2013 07:31, David Gerard wrote:
> On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> wrote:
>
> > Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's
> > permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a
> > deserted ground?
> > Visual Editor
On 16 October 2013 07:26, Samuel Klein wrote:
> This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of
> preferences on signup.
>
> SJ
>
>
In theory, I agree. Realistically, most new editors don't know the
difference between A and B, or how it will affect their editing, so I don't
On 16 October 2013 06:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
> Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's
> permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a
> deserted ground?
> Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have
>
This would be a wonderful general feature, for setting a collection of
preferences on signup.
SJ
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:11 AM, Jan Ainali wrote:
> From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
> something like:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:
You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the
"entry" editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough
and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors. It is,
however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer
incrementally
Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's
permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a
deserted ground?
Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have
noticed.
On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating
wrote:
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster!
Chris
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This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like
to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me
that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real
Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write
"an article of their ow
Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting
editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a
completely tool-linked issue ;-)
A.
On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just sta
That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
editing articles right away.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
wrote:
> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan
>
> > Honestly speakin
Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
> tendency of making errors.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali
> wrote:
>
> > From Charles original
Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
tendency of making errors.
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali wrote:
> From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
> something like:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Spe
From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
something like:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no i
Hear hear.
I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win,
given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki
(see
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354,
for those who aren't awar
I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new
editors isn't my preferred method.
Richard
On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at
Hello,
I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the
session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
you can reduce, t
Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable
visual editor) :-(
Charles
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