Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
Uhm, was JurgenNL steward? I thought TBloemink was, not JurgenNL. -Yena Hong (Revi) [[User:-revi]] -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 2. 2. 오후 11:49에 Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com님이 작성: I wrote an open letter to Lila because I saw Philippe Beaudette saying he was taking advice from English Wikipedia Arbcom on the matter of offsite harassment. The problem is that is that Arbcom has an history of harassing. So it should not be giving any advice on the matter of stopping it. To make this case, I used the examples of FT2's Anvil Email threatening an editor's family and AGK's filing a trumped-up complaint to an editor's employer, and then on a similar theme I pointed to Wikimedia Foundation steward JurgenNL and administrator TBloemink's real-life stalking of MoiraMoira (they laughed about her on IRC and then took a train trip to visit her house). I won't copy-paste the whole thing here, but if you're interested you'll find it here: http://timsongfan.livejournal.com/1971.html. Feedback is welcome. I think the WMF's policy of according IP and other sensitive user data via checkuser and UTRS and so forth to anonymous administrators is creating real risks to Wikipedia editors, and that is the case I make in the open letter. Trillium Corsage ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how silly and ignorant his (or her) position is. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
One is a steward the other is an administrator, I may have reversed their roles, but they are definitely the two that stalked Moiramoira. Thanks for the notification, I'll doublecheck which is which and see about correcting that. Trillium Corsage 02.02.2015, 14:55, Hong, Yena li...@revi.pe.kr: Uhm, was JurgenNL steward? I thought TBloemink was, not JurgenNL. -Yena Hong (Revi) [[User:-revi]] -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 2. 2. 오후 11:49에 Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com님이 작성: I wrote an open letter to Lila because I saw Philippe Beaudette saying he was taking advice from English Wikipedia Arbcom on the matter of offsite harassment. The problem is that is that Arbcom has an history of harassing. So it should not be giving any advice on the matter of stopping it. text clipped for brevity ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
Nathan, there is no context that could possibly justify those evidenced incidents of harassment and stalking. There is no excuse. The information is out there for anyone who wants to read about them, but it's wrong to attempt to rationalize them in a sea of details and that's why I didn't do it. Trillium Corsage PS: yes, I identify as male (he, his etc.). 02.02.2015, 15:03, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how silly and ignorant his (or her) position is. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
It is true that our Arbitrators have not always behaved as we would wish, and the cases that Trillium brings are are especially egregious, those familiar with the the Arbcom leaks or indeed who have followed the actions of the Committee, or dealt with individual Arbitrators on the English Wikipedia, will be aware of many errors and abuses. (They will also be aware that the majority of Arbitrators have been assets to the community the majority of the time.) However the fact that a proportion, even if it were a significant proportion, of the committee have feet of clay, does not mean that they are not a useful collective resource to consult over harassment issues. What we should take form the issues over the years is that it is worth looking at ways to improve the governance structure. Splitting check-user form arbitration is one possible means. Making checkuser more transparent is another. And real name accountability is a third. Note that one Arbitrator resigned (and pretty much left the project too) rather than provide the WMF with his real name. On 2 February 2015 at 15:12, Trillium Corsage trillium2...@yandex.com wrote: Nathan, there is no context that could possibly justify those evidenced incidents of harassment and stalking. There is no excuse. The information is out there for anyone who wants to read about them, but it's wrong to attempt to rationalize them in a sea of details and that's why I didn't do it. Trillium Corsage PS: yes, I identify as male (he, his etc.). 02.02.2015, 15:03, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com: I wasted the few minutes necessary to read Trillium's blog post, and I don't recommend anyone else make that same mistake. He's taken a few incidents in a 7 year period, presented them utterly without the totally necessary context, and ignored any evidence that might make it clear how silly and ignorant his (or her) position is. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Landline (UK) 01780 757 250 Mobile (UK) 0798 1995 792 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
If the WMF is consulting any specific entity of an individual Wikimedia project out of 800 for a crosswiki matter, that's ridiculous, period. I don't see why bother looking into the specific merits of the entity in question, or the allegations about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Open Letter to Lila (Harassment Policy)
Because the Arbitration Committee does have experience dealing with harassment. Not many projects have such a body dedicated to dealing with conflict. You are of course right that a general consultation should be made, and I'm sure if there are other bodies you can point to the WMF would love to consult with them too. On 2 February 2015 at 18:04, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: If the WMF is consulting any specific entity of an individual Wikimedia project out of 800 for a crosswiki matter, that's ridiculous, period. I don't see why bother looking into the specific merits of the entity in question, or the allegations about them. Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Landline (UK) 01780 757 250 Mobile (UK) 0798 1995 792 ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
