Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread Peter Southwood
tances. > Cheers > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Amir E. Aharoni > Sent: 22 February 2019 10:39 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
s > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Amir E. Aharoni > Sent: 22 February 2019 10:39 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 9:52 AM Amir E. Aharoni < amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il> wrote: > Do the people to whom you speak have the same understanding of what our > definition of knowledge is? I guess I can make them aware of it from now on :-) ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread Peter Southwood
List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives ‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 22 בפבר׳ 2019 ב-10:30 מאת ‪David Cuenca Tudela‬‏ <‪ dacu...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 08:27 Amir E. Aharoni, > wrote: > > > What is our definition of knowledge?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
‫בתאריך יום ו׳, 22 בפבר׳ 2019 ב-10:30 מאת ‪David Cuenca Tudela‬‏ <‪ dacu...@gmail.com‬‏>:‬ > On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 08:27 Amir E. Aharoni, > wrote: > > > What is our definition of knowledge? > > > > In my opinion, the informal definition would be: all the information that > the Wikimedia community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-22 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
On Fri, 22 Feb 2019, 08:27 Amir E. Aharoni, wrote: > What is our definition of knowledge? > In my opinion, the informal definition would be: all the information that the Wikimedia community allows into their projects. Regards, Micru > ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-21 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
בתאריך יום ב׳, 18 בפבר׳ 2019, 13:04, מאת David Cuenca Tudela ‏< dacu...@gmail.com>: > Hi Amir, > > > *How can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international * > Participants reported that the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia > projects is narrow-minded and does not fit the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-21 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Mark, Benjamin and me we had a Skype conversation about this topic. Maybe he can elaborate with his insights? Regards Micru On Thu, 21 Feb 2019, 19:11 Mark Rousell, wrote: > On 18/02/2019 11:04, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > > the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia > > projects is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-21 Thread Mark Rousell
On 18/02/2019 11:04, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia > projects is narrow-minded and does not fit the relationship with knowledge > that exists in other parts of the world. This sounds intriguing. Can you expand on it? -- Mark Rousell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-19 Thread Chris Keating
Hi Micru, How about documenting your insights on here. I know a number of people in the Roles & Responsibilities group have been reading with interest, thank you very much for sharing.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Thank you for this. Could you elaborate on the definition of knowledge, please? This is something I've long been interested in. On Feb 18, 2019, at 3:04 AM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > Hi Amir, > > > *How can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international * > Participants

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
@Benjamin: It is already there, as answer to Farkhad. @Ziko: I have no idea where to store this. If you find a suitable place, please go ahead and let me know. Regards, Micru On Mon, Feb 18, 2019 at 3:11 PM Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, maybe there is a suitable place on Meta Wiki to conserve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, maybe there is a suitable place on Meta Wiki to conserve this? Later it will be a little bit difficult to find it again on a mailinglist. I myself find this point of view of "outsiders" very interesting and worth to notice e.g. in strategic discussions. Kind regards Ziko Am Mo., 18. Feb.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
I'd be interested in hearing about perceptions of the movement. On Feb 17, 2019, at 3:35 PM, David Cuenca Tudela wrote: > Hello, > > Last Friday I participated in a workshop in Brussels where people from > different NGOs met to learn from each other to foster flat, > democratic, and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Amir, *How can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international * Participants reported that the current definition of knowledge by Wikimedia projects is narrow-minded and does not fit the relationship with knowledge that exists in other parts of the world. The only way to break this cycle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Bodhisattwa, *Community model of affiliates * Many participants reported difficulties building trust with volunteers. It is very easy to lose the volunteer appeal if the organisation is not conscious about their needs, and there is no active communication. I reported the case of Amical, which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Bodhisattwa, *Governance recommendation * I assisted to a session on sociocracy organized by the Transition Network that basically blew my mind. The speaker explained how for her it has been always difficult to participate in decision-making because she feels that she is a very vocal person,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-18 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hi Farkhad, *External perception of the movement* The Wikimedia movement is seen as a very complex entity. Most participants knew about Wikipedia, not so many about the other projects. Even for those who knew Wikipedia, it was not so clear how decisions are taken or what is allowed to do. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-17 Thread Bodhisattwa Mandal
Hi Micru, I am interested about your thoughts about governance recommendation for the movement and community model of affiliates. Regards, Bodhisattwa On Mon, 18 Feb 2019, 12:14 Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin < f...@yandex.com wrote: > Micru, > I would be interested to learn about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-17 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farkhad Fatkullin
Micru, I would be interested to learn about "External perception of the movement".part of your insights. Thanks. from Russia with love, farhad https://ru.wikimedia.org/wiki/Smart_region --  Farhad Fatkullin - Фархад Фаткуллин http://sikzn.ru/ Тел.+79274158066 / skype:frhdkazan /

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-17 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
I'm interested. I'm especially interested in any recommendation that is even remotely related to how can the Wikimedia movement be more truly international, and it sounds like there could be something about it there, but even if there isn't, is love to hear the rest. Thanks! בתאריך יום ב׳, 18

[Wikimedia-l] Inisghts from a meeting with NGO representatives

2019-02-17 Thread David Cuenca Tudela
Hello, Last Friday I participated in a workshop in Brussels where people from different NGOs met to learn from each other to foster flat, democratic, and diverse organisations. I was one of four speakers in a "world cafe" format (basically a circle where participants can interact with the