Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Pacience. 2013/2/21 Charles Andrès : > HI Ziko, > > Could you give us more information about this action team?, and especially > its composition because there is few information here > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research , no > more on the minute of your meet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Charles Andrès
HI Ziko, Could you give us more information about this action team?, and especially its composition because there is few information here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Research , no more on the minute of your meeting in London, and I don't remind any public cal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hi, Michal and I will soon come up with a general question to the movement, in the frame of the action team "research". Maybe today or tomorrow. Kind regards Ziko 2013/2/21 Markus Glaser : > Am 21.02.2013 15:57, schrieb Manuel Schneider: > >> I think I have to agree that one announce list is enoug

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Markus Glaser
Am 21.02.2013 15:57, schrieb Manuel Schneider: I think I have to agree that one announce list is enough. As we haven't started using the wca-announce yet I see no problem in agreeing that we use wikimedia-announce-l instead. /Manuel +1 We can use a [wca] tag in the subject line as you suggest

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Manuel Schneider
Am 20.02.2013 14:03, schrieb Fae: > On 20 February 2013 08:59, Christophe Henner > wrote: >> Why do we need two "announce" mailing lists? Can't we all use >> wikimedia-announce ? > > I don't really care much about how it works, just that it does. Manuel > Schneider took an action at the weekend

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Markus Glaser
Hi Charles, from the feedback we had about the WCA, IMHO we need to consider two different issues: * we are criticised for focussing on structures too much. In London, as you can see in the protocol [1], we discussed several options including the one about an executive board, but decided to le

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 21 Feb 2013, at 13:01, Manuel Schneider wrote: > The list already exists since several months but hasn't been used yet: > > https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/wca-announce > > /Manuel When I offered to create the list I considered that it would be better to have the list on WMF se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Manuel Schneider
The list already exists since several months but hasn't been used yet: https://intern.wikimedia.ch/lists/listinfo/wca-announce /Manuel Am 19.02.2013 21:09, schrieb Michael Peel: > > On 19 Feb 2013, at 19:57, Thehelpfulone wrote: > >> On 19 February 2013 16:10, Ziko van Dijk wrote: >> >>> The

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Ilario Valdelli
I support the email of Charles. I would invite you to take in consideration a more flexible model and to give the role of the chair or vice-chair to the chapters (may be rotating the functions) and not to a single person. Afterwards the chapter may decide who will be the person in charge, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-21 Thread Charles Andrès
Dear Fae, I find it contradictory to consider that anticipated election of the chair is good for WCA but that for the vice chair it would be bad, if we need to have elections before Milano we can have both in parallel. Anyway I was, and I'm still oppose to anticipated election. Since the be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Fae
On 20 February 2013 08:59, Christophe Henner wrote: > Why do we need two "announce" mailing lists? Can't we all use > wikimedia-announce ? I don't really care much about how it works, just that it does. Manuel Schneider took an action at the weekend to advise on points of contact, and set up the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Christophe Henner
Why do we need two "announce" mailing lists? Can't we all use wikimedia-announce ? Christophe -- Christophe On 20 February 2013 09:22, Charles Andrès wrote: > Hello, > > In fact this mailing list has already been created since a while, it's just > not used for the moment. > > The question of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Fae
On 20 February 2013 07:57, Charles Andrès wrote: > Hello Ziko, > > Because you want to hear: > > 1)Their is no census within the chapter whether we still want a deputy chair > position It's better for us to focus on the actions we are taking for the next 3 months. We decided to defer discussion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Charles Andrès
Hello, In fact this mailing list has already been created since a while, it's just not used for the moment. The question of the hosting hasn't been discuss in this way, for the WCA WMCH is offering the hosting of chapters mailing list, "chapters wiki", and some "chapter wiki". So it has just

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-20 Thread Philippe Beaudette
From Ziko's note about this: > There will be a special list 'WCA-announcements". If you want to be > informed about Bulletins and discussions, join the list and you will > get links to Meta Wiki. It's a one-way-list, because the discussions > are supposed to be on Meta Wiki. This is a WCA service f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Charles Andrès
Hello Ziko, Because you want to hear: 1)Their is no census within the chapter whether we still want a deputy chair position 2)if we keep a chair and a deputy chair, it has always been planned that this position should be open to vote at the next WCA meeting 3) 7 council member connote decide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Fae wrote: > On 19 February 2013 23:47, James Alexander wrote: > ... > > Groups should grow naturally, they should incorporate only when necessary > > and get staff only when necessary, trying to push them before they are > > ready only makes things worse. We ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Fae
On 19 February 2013 23:47, James Alexander wrote: ... > Groups should grow naturally, they should incorporate only when necessary > and get staff only when necessary, trying to push them before they are > ready only makes things worse. We have been having a long standing habit > within the meta m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread James Alexander
On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > Hello, > Just to keep in mind: it has been no secret, from the beginning, that the > WCA planned to hire somebody. The WMF board is supported by employees too, > and I guess that the WMF has a number of regulations. Enough room for views > to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Balázs Viczián
Hi, sorry, no offense meant, but all of you are keep saying the same things again and again. At least a dozen times I've read lines, like "don't focus on this, focus on that" or let me say WCA recruiting athough you dropped that idea about two weeks ago (really?) I'd like to help you with focusin

[Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Just to keep in mind: it has been no secret, from the beginning, that the WCA planned to hire somebody. The WMF board is supported by employees too, and I guess that the WMF has a number of regulations. Enough room for views to evolve. But it sounds good to focus on getting things started in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
yeah, I was going to suggest the same thing, why make a different list with different membership? Jan-Bart (personally agreeing with mike's personal viewpoint… please don't take it personally) On Feb 19, 2013, at 9:09 PM, Michael Peel wrote: > > On 19 Feb 2013, at 19:57, Thehelpfulone wro

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Michael Peel
On 19 Feb 2013, at 19:57, Thehelpfulone wrote: > On 19 February 2013 16:10, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > >> There will be a special list 'WCA-announcements". If you want to be >> informed about Bulletins and discussions, join the list and you will >> get links to Meta Wiki. It's a one-way-list, beca

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Thehelpfulone
On 19 February 2013 16:10, Ziko van Dijk wrote: > There will be a special list 'WCA-announcements". If you want to be > informed about Bulletins and discussions, join the list and you will > get links to Meta Wiki. It's a one-way-list, because the discussions > are supposed to be on Meta Wiki. Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hey So just to add my perspective on the mail below (as one of the two board members that were present). As mentioned before the board has several big issues with the WCA where it was going (as outlined on the meta discussion page and our statement: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedi

[Wikimedia-l] Looking back at the London Conference

2013-02-19 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear Council Members and everyone interested in the WCA, On 16/17th February 2013 a number of Council Members visited the London Conference I had proposed in mid January to talk about the way of the WCA and to prepare the Wikimedia Conference in Milan. We are happy that the London Conference did h