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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-12-13 Thread Ricordisamoa


Il 27/10/2014 18:51, Yana Welinder ha scritto:

Hi folks,

I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
Thanks! This puts an end to discussions and proposals to host that logos 
on a separate project (such as Allrightsreserved 
).

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-31 Thread Yana Welinder

Thanks Yann!  We will take care of those files.

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Yann Forget  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just a note: we can update the license on Commons, but I noticed that
> the files were copied locally on https://wikimediafoundation.org/
> Someone with the right priviledges will have to do it there.
>
> Regards,
>
> Yann
>
> 2014-10-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :
> > Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the
> > confusion.
> >
> > CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law.
> It
> > does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to
> protect
> > the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark
> > protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as
> use
> > covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia
> trademark
> > policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some
> > discussion about why it does that:
> >
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose
> > .
> >
> > So are the logos "free" under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because
> the
> > definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC
> BY-SA
> > 3.0 as a "free license." The definition does not mean that users have
> > freedom to violate other types of rights.
> >
> > Hope this clarifies!
> >
> > Yana
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar 
> wrote:
> >
> >> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> >> Hash: SHA512
> >>
> >> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
> >> Yana Welinder  wrote:
> >> > To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
> >> > status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
> >> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Thank you, Yana.
> >>
> >> However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
> >> trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
> >> commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
> >> any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
> >> visual guidelines.
> >>
> >> Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
> >> http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
> >> - --
> >> Allan J. Aguilar
> >> ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de
> >> PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD  FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3
> >> OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC
> >> userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia
> >> https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com
> >> https://libredebian.wordpress.com
> >> https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-30 Thread Yann Forget

Hi,

Just a note: we can update the license on Commons, but I noticed that
the files were copied locally on https://wikimediafoundation.org/
Someone with the right priviledges will have to do it there.

Regards,

Yann

2014-10-30 17:30 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :
> Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the
> confusion.
>
> CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law. It
> does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to protect
> the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark
> protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as use
> covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia trademark
> policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some
> discussion about why it does that:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose
> .
>
> So are the logos "free" under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because the
> definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC BY-SA
> 3.0 as a "free license." The definition does not mean that users have
> freedom to violate other types of rights.
>
> Hope this clarifies!
>
> Yana
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar  wrote:
>
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
>> Yana Welinder  wrote:
>> > To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
>> > status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
>> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
>> >
>>
>> Thank you, Yana.
>>
>> However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
>> trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
>> commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
>> any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
>> visual guidelines.
>>
>> Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
>> http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
>> - --
>> Allan J. Aguilar
>> ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de
>> PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD  FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3
>> OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC
>> userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia
>> https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com
>> https://libredebian.wordpress.com
>> https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-30 Thread Yana Welinder

Still traveling, but let me see if I can briefly dispel some of the
confusion.

CC BY-SA 3.0 grants users the right to use an image under copyright law. It
does not cover trademark rights. The goal of trademark rights is to protect
the logo from being used in a way that confuses the public. Trademark
protection only covers certain types of uses, which are not the same as use
covered with a copyright license like CC BY-SA 3.0. The Wikimedia trademark
policy provides how the logos can be used as trademarks and here is some
discussion about why it does that:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy-purpose#trademark-purpose
.

So are the logos "free" under the Free Culture Definition? Yes, because the
definition only talks about freedom under copyright law and lists CC BY-SA
3.0 as a "free license." The definition does not mean that users have
freedom to violate other types of rights.

Hope this clarifies!

Yana

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 11:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
> Yana Welinder  wrote:
> > To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
> > status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> >
>
> Thank you, Yana.
>
> However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
> trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
> commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
> any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
> visual guidelines.
>
> Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
> http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
> - --
> Allan J. Aguilar
> ral...@vmail.me - ralgis@freenode - al...@jabber.ccc.de
> PGP: B387 F3B1 0F2C F46B 36AD  FAFF 7BC3 594D F7C0 E1A3
> OTR: E95CB6E6 22751983 CA8F3F67 3DFACBFF 0FA3A1BC
> userralgis@Twitter - User:Ralgis@Wikimedia
> https://editandowikimedia.wordpress.com
> https://libredebian.wordpress.com
> https://revistasifra.wordpress.com/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-30 Thread James Alexander

On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:48 AM, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

>
>
> The license is clear, and wmf is an expert in these licenses . So a
> previous trademark is void in the respect where it restricts what is
> defined in the license?
>
> Rupert

I'm sorry, I don't completely understand the question but if I understand
it correctly: I do in fact believe that they are experts in these licenses
and do in fact know what they are doing here. However copyright law and
trademark law are completely independent, you can very easily be allowed to
do something under copyright law and not allowed to do it under trademark
law (and vice versa) these are completely and utterly independent.

The relicensing of the logos (under copyright law) does not affect the
trademark policy or any of the Wikimedia Foundation's rights under
trademark law... at all. This is just like the fact that the coca-cola logo
may or may not be Public Domain copyright wise does not mean that someone
can make a soda, slap the coca-cola logo on it and be safe (or, in fact,
sell almost anything with the coca-cola logo on it because it's so widely
recognized that it would be confusing even outside of the soda sphere).

Just as an example to be clear: I don't think i've ever seen the foundation
send a takedown to someone using our logos under copyright law, they were
always sent because someone was abusing the trademark (pretending to be
something official for example). Nothing changes about these takedowns,
they are still completely enforceable and completely legitimate.

There is no doubt that the distinction between copyright and trademark law
can confuse (this is one of the reasons most organizations, including
Creative Commons as I said earlier, keep the copyright more restricted)
especially since they often use very similar terms (license, intellectual
property, registration etc) but in the end it's fairly simple: they do not
affect each other. Whether something is copyrighted (or even copyrightable)
is completely independent, and unrelated, to whether it is trademarked (or
trademarkable).

James
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-30 Thread rupert THURNER

On Oct 30, 2014 6:06 AM, "James Alexander"  wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar  wrote:
>
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> > Hash: SHA512
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
> > Yana Welinder  wrote:
> > > To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
> > > status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
> > > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> > >
> >
> > Thank you, Yana.
> >
> > However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
> > trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
> > commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
> > any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
> > visual guidelines.
> >
> > Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
> > http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
>
>
> I don't think Erik was completely thinking about trademarks when he wrote
> that but I would say no, essentially nothing covered by a trademark  would
> completely meet that definition. (and there would be major issues in my
> mind with not covering our major logos by trademark) Even the Creative
> Commons logos doesn't (for that matter I don't think the CC Logo is even
> under a CC License, at least not a by-sa one).

The license is clear, and wmf is an expert in these licenses . So a
previous trademark is void in the respect where it restricts what is
defined in the license?

Rupert
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-29 Thread James Alexander

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 9:54 PM, Allan J. Aguilar  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA512
>
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
> Yana Welinder  wrote:
> > To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
> > status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> >
>
> Thank you, Yana.
>
> However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
> trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
> commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
> any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
> visual guidelines.
>
> Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
> http://freedomdefined.org) or not?


I don't think Erik was completely thinking about trademarks when he wrote
that but I would say no, essentially nothing covered by a trademark  would
completely meet that definition. (and there would be major issues in my
mind with not covering our major logos by trademark) Even the Creative
Commons logos doesn't (for that matter I don't think the CC Logo is even
under a CC License, at least not a by-sa one).

James

[not speaking for Legal/WMF etc]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-29 Thread Allan J. Aguilar

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:15:17 -0500
Yana Welinder  wrote:
> To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark
> status of the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.
> 

Thank you, Yana.

However, as someone who understand little about copyright and
trademarks, for me it is difficult to understand how can a logo be used
commercially and not at the same time, and how can a logo be edited in
any but at the same time it only can be published according to specific
visual guidelines.

Are the logos Free Cultural Works (as defined by Erik Möller on
http://freedomdefined.org) or not?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-29 Thread Yana Welinder

The relicensing applies to the Wikimedia logos, which refers to all the
logos of the Wikimedia wikis:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Wikimedia_trademarks. It also applies
to all the derivatives that carry the {{Copyright by Wikimedia}} template
on Commons.  Essentially, the objective is to get rid of that last non-free
license template. I'm traveling for a conference, but I will see if I can
clarify the blog post on this as soon as I have better internet connection.

To address Allan's question, this does not affect the trademark status of
the logos as governed by the new trademark policy:
https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy.

Best,
Yana

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 2:34 AM, Romaine Wiki 
wrote:

> Hi Yana,
>
> The blog post is not entirely clear as "Wikimedia logo" can have a
> different meaning in different contexts. Reading the blog post, I can't
> define precise what a "Wikimedia logo" is. "Wikimedia logo" can mean:
> * the logo used by Wikimedia:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo.svg
> * this logo and all the derivatives of it (for chapters, Meta, etc)
> * all logos of all the Wikimedia wikis, including the Wikipedia logo
>
> The blog post speaks in plural form of logos. And the blog post is
> speaking about the MediaWiki and Community logos as exception, which differ
> much from the Wikimedia logo, I suspect that the blog post tries to say
> that all the logos from Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews,
> Wikibooks, Wiktionary, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Incubator, Commons,
> Wikivoyage, Wikiversity, Wikimania, + all screenshots of wiki pages with
> the logo of a Wikimedia-wiki on it, all the derivatives of these logos,
> including the Wikimedia family logo.
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_family_complete-2013.svg
>
> Can you confirm this, just for the sake of clarity?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Romaine
>
>
> 2014-10-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
>> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>>
>> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
>> Wikimedia}}
>> [1]
>> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
>> [2] and
>> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} <
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
>> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
>> [4] and the
>> Community
>> [5]
>> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>>
>> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
>> [6], that may need
>> to
>> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yana
>>
>> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>>
>> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>>
>> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>>
>> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>>
>> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>>
>> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>>
>>
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>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> 415.839.6885 ext. 6867
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>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-29 Thread Romaine Wiki

Hi Yana,

The blog post is not entirely clear as "Wikimedia logo" can have a
different meaning in different contexts. Reading the blog post, I can't
define precise what a "Wikimedia logo" is. "Wikimedia logo" can mean:
* the logo used by Wikimedia:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia-logo.svg
* this logo and all the derivatives of it (for chapters, Meta, etc)
* all logos of all the Wikimedia wikis, including the Wikipedia logo

The blog post speaks in plural form of logos. And the blog post is speaking
about the MediaWiki and Community logos as exception, which differ much
from the Wikimedia logo, I suspect that the blog post tries to say that all
the logos from Wikipedia, Wikiquote, Wikisource, Wikinews, Wikibooks,
Wiktionary, Wikidata, Wikispecies, Incubator, Commons, Wikivoyage,
Wikiversity, Wikimania, + all screenshots of wiki pages with the logo of a
Wikimedia-wiki on it, all the derivatives of these logos, including the
Wikimedia family logo.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_logo_family_complete-2013.svg

Can you confirm this, just for the sake of clarity?

Thanks!

Romaine


2014-10-27 18:51 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>
> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> Wikimedia}}
> [1]
> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> [2] and
> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >[3]
> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> [4] and the
> Community
> [5]
> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>
> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> [6], that may need
> to
> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yana
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>
> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>
> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>
> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>
>
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> Wikimedia Foundation
> 415.839.6885 ext. 6867
> @yanatweets 
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Romaine Wiki

The most simple answer is: this is the nature of Wikimedia.

Same as: Wikidata was requested in 2005, in use since 2012.
And so many things you can name which took multiple years.

But I think this is the nature of Wikimedia. Not in rush to compete with
other parties for the first place, not in the ratrace, but walking behind
on a steady distance without rushing and having a stable development of the
Wikimedia movement.

Romaine


2014-10-29 0:14 GMT+01:00 Robert Rohde :

> Yay!
>
> I'm pretty sure there is a Jimbo quote somewhere about how the
> Wikimedia logos would never ever be made free, and for once I am glad
> that he was wrong.  Or maybe it was Mike Godwin.  Doesn't really
> matter who said it, except to say that this seems like a remarkable
> turn around compared to the situation in the past.
>
> Though I am curious why it took more than 9 years to get around to
> this.  (9 years is the oldest discussion complaining about unfree WMF
> logos that I could dig up in less than 10 minutes of searching.)
>
> As a practical matter it doesn't seem like any thing has changed from
> an external legal perspective.  Is it simply that the people running
> the WMF today happen to feel more comfortable applying copyleft to the
> logos than the people running the Foundation did several years ago?
>
> -Robert
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
> > Done!
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Romaine
> >
> > 2014-10-28 21:05 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :
> >
> >> Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Practical question:
> >> > The template:
> >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> >> > contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
> >> >  >}}
> >> > instead)
> >> >
> >> > Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
> >> > (including all translations)
> >> >
> >> > Romaine
> >> >
> >> > 2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen :
> >> >
> >> > > Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
> >> > >
> >> > > Greetings
> >> > > Ting
> >> > >
> >> > > Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
> >> > >
> >> > >  Hi folks,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos
> on
> >> > >> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> >> > >>
> >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright
> by
> >> > >> Wikimedia}}
> >> > >> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> >> >[1]
> >> > >> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> >> > >>  >[2]
> >> > and
> >> > >> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >> > >> org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
> >> > >> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> >> > >> [4] and the
> >> > >> Community
> >> > >> <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
> >> > >[5]
> >> > >> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> >> > >> [6], that
> may
> >> > need
> >> > >> to
> >> > >> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thanks,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Yana
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [1]
> >> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [2]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [5]
> >> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
> >> > >>
> >> > >> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Allan J. Aguilar

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> Hi folks,
> 
> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> 

Great news! But I'm wondering: if the CC BY-SA allows commercial use
but the trademark does not, will there be any conflict? Could I now sell
T-shirts with the Wikipedia logo on them?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread MZMcBride

Yana Welinder wrote:
>I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
>Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
>https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/

Hi.

I found this blog post pretty confusing. It is not obvious to me which
logos we're talking about specifically. We have many logos on Commons
( has
over 4,000 files in it) and while the blog post mentions "an extensive
review of their copyright status," it's completely unclear to me which
specific logos were part of this review. Was this a public review? Are
there notes on a wiki somewhere?

My best guess is that we're only talking about the images listed here:
, though this guess may be wildly inaccurate.

The blog post also includes
, but I'm
honestly not sure why given that the post is about Wikimedia logos and
this... isn't a Wikimedia logo, as far as I'm aware. This image's only use
seems to be on a silly Meta-Wiki page:
. As a long-time
Wikimedian, I read this blog post and wasn't really sure what was being
discussed. I have difficulty imagining that members of the general public
fared much better. If the takeaway of this post was that the Wikipedia
logo is now released under a free license, I think that message got lost.

Lastly, I'm curious how this blog post aligns with a file deletion that
took place a week prior. "File:Wikipedia puzzle globe 3D render.zip" was
deleted from wikimediafoundation.org on October 17, 2014 with the reason
"Trademark - we have copies if needed". I found this deletion troubling
given that I'm almost certain that this file was the subject of
contentious debate for years prior to finally being published. The May
2013 upload log entries state that the files are from May 2009. The sudden
unexplained deletion of a piece of Wikipedia's history leaves me concerned.

MZMcBride

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Robert Rohde

Yay!

I'm pretty sure there is a Jimbo quote somewhere about how the
Wikimedia logos would never ever be made free, and for once I am glad
that he was wrong.  Or maybe it was Mike Godwin.  Doesn't really
matter who said it, except to say that this seems like a remarkable
turn around compared to the situation in the past.

Though I am curious why it took more than 9 years to get around to
this.  (9 years is the oldest discussion complaining about unfree WMF
logos that I could dig up in less than 10 minutes of searching.)

As a practical matter it doesn't seem like any thing has changed from
an external legal perspective.  Is it simply that the people running
the WMF today happen to feel more comfortable applying copyleft to the
logos than the people running the Foundation did several years ago?

-Robert

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
> Done!
>
> Thanks!
> Romaine
>
> 2014-10-28 21:05 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :
>
>> Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Practical question:
>> > The template:
>> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>> > contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
>> > }}
>> > instead)
>> >
>> > Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
>> > (including all translations)
>> >
>> > Romaine
>> >
>> > 2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen :
>> >
>> > > Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
>> > >
>> > > Greetings
>> > > Ting
>> > >
>> > > Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
>> > >
>> > >  Hi folks,
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
>> > >> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
>> > >>
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>> > >>
>> > >> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
>> > >> Wikimedia}}
>> > >> > >[1]
>> > >> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
>> > >> [2]
>> > and
>> > >> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} > > >> org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
>> > >> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
>> > >> [4] and the
>> > >> Community
>> > >> > > >[5]
>> > >> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>> > >>
>> > >> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
>> > >> [6], that may
>> > need
>> > >> to
>> > >> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >>
>> > >> Yana
>> > >>
>> > >> [1]
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>> > >>
>> > >> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>> > >>
>> > >> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>> > >>
>> > >> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>> > >>
>> > >> [5]
>> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>> > >>
>> > >> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Romaine Wiki

Done!

Thanks!
Romaine

2014-10-28 21:05 GMT+01:00 Yana Welinder :

> Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.
>
> On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki 
> wrote:
>
> > Practical question:
> > The template:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> > contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
> > }}
> > instead)
> >
> > Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
> > (including all translations)
> >
> > Romaine
> >
> > 2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen :
> >
> > > Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > > Ting
> > >
> > > Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
> > >
> > >  Hi folks,
> > >>
> > >> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> > >> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> > >>
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> > >>
> > >> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> > >> Wikimedia}}
> > >>  >[1]
> > >> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> > >> [2]
> > and
> > >> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  > >> org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
> > >> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> > >> [4] and the
> > >> Community
> > >>  > >[5]
> > >> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
> > >>
> > >> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> > >> [6], that may
> > need
> > >> to
> > >> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> Yana
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> > >>
> > >> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> > >>
> > >> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> > >>
> > >> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
> > >>
> > >> [5]
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Yana Welinder

Good point.  That line can now be deleted from the trademark template.

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 7:40 AM, Romaine Wiki 
wrote:

> Practical question:
> The template:
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
> }}
> instead)
>
> Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
> (including all translations)
>
> Romaine
>
> 2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen :
>
> > Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
> >
> > Greetings
> > Ting
> >
> > Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
> >
> >  Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> >> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> >>
> >> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> >> Wikimedia}}
> >> [1]
> >> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> >> [2]
> and
> >> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >> org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
> >> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> >> [4] and the
> >> Community
> >>  >[5]
> >> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
> >>
> >> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> >> [6], that may
> need
> >> to
> >> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Yana
> >>
> >> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> >>
> >> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> >>
> >> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> >>
> >> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
> >>
> >> [5]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
> >>
> >> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Romaine Wiki

Practical question:
The template:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
contains a line: (Consider using {{Copyright by Wikimedia
}}
instead)

Should that line be removed from the Wikimedia trademark template?
(including all translations)

Romaine

2014-10-28 10:36 GMT+01:00 Ting Chen :

> Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.
>
> Greetings
> Ting
>
> Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:
>
>  Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
>> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>>
>> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
>> Wikimedia}}
>> [1]
>> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
>> [2] and
>> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} > org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
>> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
>> [4] and the
>> Community
>> [5]
>> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>>
>> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
>> [6], that may need
>> to
>> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yana
>>
>> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>>
>> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>>
>> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>>
>> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>>
>> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>>
>> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Ting Chen


Really cool, great work. Thank you very much.

Greetings
Ting

Am 10/27/2014 um 06:51 PM schrieb Yana Welinder:

Hi folks,

I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/

I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} [3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
[4] and the Community
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.

There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.

Thanks,

Yana

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia

[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark

[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg

[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg

[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Tonmoy Khan

This indeed a great news! Thanks to WMF, especially the legal team.

Cheers

Ali Haidar Khan
FDC Member
Treasurer, Wikimedia Bangladesh
On Oct 27, 2014 11:52 PM, "Yana Welinder"  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>
> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> Wikimedia}}
> [1]
> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> [2] and
> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >[3]
> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> [4] and the
> Community
> [5]
> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>
> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> [6], that may need
> to
> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yana
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>
> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>
> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>
> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive

Wonderful news! Great!

On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, rupert THURNER 
wrote:

> A nice move indeed, but I am wondering why you not chose the cc-by 4.0?
>
> Rupert
> On Oct 27, 2014 6:52 PM, "Yana Welinder"  wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> > Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> >
> > I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> > Wikimedia}}
> > [1]
> > templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> > [2] and
> > {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} <
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> > >[3]
> > templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> > [4] and the
> > Community
> >  >[5]
> > logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
> >
> > There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> > [6], that may need
> > to
> > be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Yana
> >
> > [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> >
> > [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> >
> > [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> >
> > [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
> >
> > [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
> >
> > [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-28 Thread rupert THURNER

A nice move indeed, but I am wondering why you not chose the cc-by 4.0?

Rupert
On Oct 27, 2014 6:52 PM, "Yana Welinder"  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>
> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> Wikimedia}}
> [1]
> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> [2] and
> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >[3]
> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> [4] and the
> Community
> [5]
> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>
> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> [6], that may need
> to
> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yana
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>
> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>
> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>
> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread Michael Peel

Hi Yana,

> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/ 
> 

This is great news - well done. :-)

> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> Wikimedia}}
> [1]
> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> [2] and
> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} [3]
> templates.

It might be simplest to change the {{Copyright by Wikimedia}} template so that 
it just transcludes the trademark template and the CC-BY-SA-3.0 template, e.g. 
by replacing its code with that at:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/WMF
A better approach, though, would be to update {{Wikimedia trademark}} to make 
it clear that the Wikimedia logos are CC-BY-SA, but that the rest of the file 
still needs to have an appropriate free license, and then to simply redirect 
the copyright template to the trademark template.

Thanks,
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread Yana Welinder

Thanks for the catch, Alice!  I just changed it in the post.

On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Alice Wiegand  wrote:

> Great news!
> While the title of the Logo in the blogpost links to the unported version,
> you link to the US version of cc-by-sa 3.0 when you mention it first in the
> text (in the second paragraph). A mistake?
>
> Alice.
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Vishnu  wrote:
>
> > Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vishnu
> >
> >
> >
> > On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:
> >
> >> Hi folks,
> >>
> >> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> >> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> >> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
> >>
> >> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> >> Wikimedia}}
> >> [1]
> >> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> >> [2]
> and
> >> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >> org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
> >> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> >> [4] and the
> >> Community
> >>  >[5]
> >> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
> >>
> >> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> >> [6], that may
> need
> >> to
> >> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Yana
> >>
> >> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
> >>
> >> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
> >>
> >> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
> >>
> >> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
> >>
> >> [5]
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
> >>
> >> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread Alice Wiegand

Great news!
While the title of the Logo in the blogpost links to the unported version,
you link to the US version of cc-by-sa 3.0 when you mention it first in the
text (in the second paragraph). A mistake?

Alice.


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Vishnu  wrote:

> Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!
>
> Cheers,
> Vishnu
>
>
>
> On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
>> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>>
>> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
>> Wikimedia}}
>> [1]
>> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
>> [2] and
>> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} > org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0>[3]
>> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
>> [4] and the
>> Community
>> [5]
>> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>>
>> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
>> [6], that may need
>> to
>> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Yana
>>
>> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>>
>> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>>
>> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>>
>> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>>
>> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>>
>> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread Vishnu


Thanks! A much needed and appreciated move!!

Cheers,
Vishnu


On Monday 27 October 2014 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder wrote:

Hi folks,

I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/

I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} [3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
[4] and the Community
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.

There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.

Thanks,

Yana

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia

[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark

[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg

[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg

[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing





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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ

That is wonderful news for outreach evangelists!

A great step indeed!
:)


On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:21 PM, Yana Welinder 
wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
> Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/
>
> I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
> Wikimedia}}
> [1]
> templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
> [2] and
> {{cc-by-sa-3.0}}  >[3]
> templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
> [4] and the
> Community
> [5]
> logos, which were originally released under free licenses.
>
> There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
> [6], that may need
> to
> be updated based on the re-licensed logos.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Yana
>
> [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia
>
> [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark
>
> [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
>
> [4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg
>
> [5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg
>
> [6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing
>
>
> --
> Yana Welinder
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
> 415.839.6885 ext. 6867
> @yanatweets 
>
> NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical
> reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community
> members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more
> on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer
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[Wikimedia-l] Re-licensing Wikimedia logos on Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0

2014-10-27 Thread Yana Welinder

Hi folks,

I'm happy to announce that we are re-licensing the Wikimedia logos on
Commons to CC BY-SA 3.0:
https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/10/24/wikimedia-logos-have-been-freed/

I would really appreciate your help with replacing the {{Copyright by
Wikimedia}}
[1]
templates on the logos with the {{Wikimedia trademark}}
[2] and
{{cc-by-sa-3.0}} [3]
templates. But we don't want to replace templates on the MediaWiki
[4] and the Community
[5]
logos, which were originally released under free licenses.

There are also some pages on Commons, like this one
[6], that may need to
be updated based on the re-licensed logos.

Thanks,

Yana

[1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Copyright_by_Wikimedia

[2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Wikimedia_trademark

[3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0

[4] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MediaWiki.svg

[5] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Community_Logo.svg

[6] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing


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@yanatweets 

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