Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: New Legal Counsel

2012-05-16 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: > As for the day to day work of the GC and LC I'll let one of them > answer that. I'm not an expert in it. Following up on my committment yesterday to find an answer to Mike's questions, Geoff provided the below (which I'm posting,

[Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people create accounts on Wikimedia sites. To prevent spamming/vandalism, ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created from one IP address in a single day. But there's a way to ask for a temporary removal o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Sumana Harihareswara, 16/05/2012 17:23: When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people create accounts on Wikimedia sites. To prevent spamming/vandalism, ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created from one IP address in a single day. But ther

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translations of WMF documents [was: Re: Wikimedia Foundation Report, March 2012 [was: Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 43]]

2012-05-16 Thread Tilman Bayer
Hallo Juergen, On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Juergen Fenn wrote: > Hallo Tilman, > > Am 13.04.2012 um 13:01 schrieb wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org: >> >> please find below the WMF report for March 2012, in plain text. > > Thanks for publishing the new report. Glad you found it useful,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Tom Morris
Generally, at UK outreach events, there has usually been an enwiki admin or two around who can create accounts for people. Admins (and accountcreators) are not subject to account creation limits. On May 16, 2012 4:23 PM, "Sumana Harihareswara" wrote: > When you're running an event, sometimes you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Maggie Dennis
Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an en Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are more likely to care about them. :) Maggie On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Tom Morris wrote: > Generally, at UK outreach events, there has usual

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: New Legal Counsel

2012-05-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 16 May 2012 15:29, Philippe Beaudette wrote: >(about 100+ takedown demands a year that we challenge > successfully 95% of the time) That is a statistic you should boast about more often. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org U

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Translations of WMF documents [was: Re: Wikimedia Foundation Report, March 2012 [was: Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 97, Issue 43]]

2012-05-16 Thread Delphine Ménard
On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 3:20 PM, Osmar Valdebenito wrote: > If increasing global reach and participation is part of our strategy, then > it is important to communicate in the principal languages and engage with > new people. > Certainly, communities can help to translate. But the Foundation can le

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Maggie Dennis, 16/05/2012 18:17: Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an en Wiki admin on the principle that people who create their own accounts are more likely to care about them. :) To care or to be able to do something with them? Anyway, they can create the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Ivan Martínez
Thanks for the info. In the first session with the Wikipedia Student Club in UNAM, I have troubles for this issue. Regards, 2012/5/16 Federico Leva (Nemo) > Maggie Dennis, 16/05/2012 18:17: > > Clarification on this process was actually most recently requested by an >> en >> Wiki admin on the p

[Wikimedia-l] Expanding the Grant Advisory Committee

2012-05-16 Thread Asaf Bartov
Hello, everyone. Due to the work load and some attrition, we are looking to expand the Grant Advisory Committee[1] (GAC) soon. If you are interested in joining the advisory body reviewing and making recommendations about the WMF's grants program, please take a look and see if you'd like to expres

[Wikimedia-l] interview with ward cunningham

2012-05-16 Thread phoebe ayers
There's a nice interview with Ward Cunningham (father of the wiki) this week in Dr. Dobb's [a programming journal]. The interview covers programming, techniques for working well, wikis and Wikipedia: http://www.drdobbs.com/architecture-and-design/24393 On wikis (p.2): "I think that the thing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikiEN-l] "How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit", _The Atlantic_

2012-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Ian Woollard wrote: > There's no great drop in the number of editors: > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ENglish_Wikipedia_active_users_%28September_2011%29.png > See http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm Editors making 100+ edits a mont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikiEN-l] "How the Professor Who Fooled Wikipedia Got Caught by Reddit", _The Atlantic_

2012-05-16 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:21 AM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:47 AM, Ian Woollard wrote: > >> There's no great drop in the number of editors: >> >> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ENglish_Wikipedia_active_users_%28September_2011%29.png >> > > > See > > http://stats.w

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread MZMcBride
Sumana Harihareswara wrote: > When you're running an event, sometimes you want to help lots of people > create accounts on Wikimedia sites. To prevent spamming/vandalism, > ordinarily there's a cap on the number of accounts that can be created > from one IP address in a single day. But there's a

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Bruning
> > We at Archive Team are attempting to download all the 700,000 Knols.[3] For > the sake of history. Join us, #archiveteam EFNET. > I did some followup. I'm not sure I can help out with Knol anymore, but I discovered that AT is having some trouble making good archives of wikimedia sites. Theor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
I know from experience that a wiki can be re-built from any one of the dumps that are provided, (pages-meta-current) for example contains everything needed to reboot a site except its user database (names/passwords ect). see http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Moving_a_wiki On Wed, May 16, 2012 a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:11 PM, John wrote: > > I know from experience that a wiki can be re-built from any one of the > dumps that are provided, (pages-meta-current) for example contains > everything needed to reboot a site except its user database > (names/passwords ect). see > http://www.media

[Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Bruning
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:11:04PM -0400, John wrote: > I know from experience that a wiki can be re-built from any one of the > dumps that are provided, (pages-meta-current) for example contains > everything needed to reboot a site except its user database > (names/passwords ect). see > http://www

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its > scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get > resolved, even when filed properly. Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can do shell requests (Git), Th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
Except for files, getting a content clone up is relativity easy, and can be done in a fairly quick order (aka less than two weeks for everything). I know there is talk about getting a rsync setup for images. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:03:02AM -0400, John wrote: > Except for files, getting a content clone up is relativity easy, and can be > done in a fairly quick order (aka less than two weeks for everything). I > know there is talk about getting a rsync setup for images. Ouch, 2 weeks. We need the ima

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
that two week estimate was given worst case scenario. Given the best case we are talking as little as a few hours for the smaller wikis to 5 days or so for a project the size of enwiki. (see http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/xmldatadumps-l/2012-May/000491.htmlfor progress on image dumps`) On We

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps for exactly how to import an existing dump, I know the process of re-importing a cluster for the toolserver is normally just a few days when they have the needed dumps. On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM, John > wrote: > that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:13 AM, John wrote: > that two week estimate was given worst case scenario. Given the best case > we are talking as little as a few hours for the smaller wikis to 5 days or > so for a project the size of enwiki. (see > http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/xmldatadumps-l/2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:18 AM, John wrote: > take a look at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Importing_XML_dumps for > exactly how to import an existing dump, I know the process of re-importing > a cluster for the toolserver is normally just a few days when they have the > needed dumps. To

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
Toolserver is a clone of the wmf servers minus files. they run a database replication of all wikis. these times are dependent on available hardware and may very, but should provide a decent estimate On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:18 AM, John wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
Ill run a quick benchmark and import the full history of simple.wikipedia to my laptop wiki on a stick, and give an exact duration On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:26 AM, John wrote: > Toolserver is a clone of the wmf servers minus files. they run a database > replication of all wikis. these times ar

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:30 AM, John wrote: > Ill run a quick benchmark and import the full history of simple.wikipedia to > my laptop wiki on a stick, and give an exact duration Simple.wikipedia is nothing like en.wikipedia. For one thing, there's no need to turn on $wgCompressRevisions with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
*Simple.wikipedia is nothing like en.wikipedia* I care to dispute that statement, All WMF wikis are setup basically the same (an odd extension here or there is different, and different namespace names at times) but for the purpose of recovery simplewiki_p is a very standard example. this issue isnt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:45 AM, John wrote: > Simple.wikipedia is nothing like en.wikipedia I care to dispute that > statement, All WMF wikis are setup basically the same (an odd extension here > or there is different, and different namespace names at times) but for the > purpose of recovery sim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread K. Peachey
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, John Vandenberg wrote: > How would we regain control of our existing usernames in the event > that the user database was lost in the move? That would be up to the end project to decide, Although ideally they shouldn't unless you can prove some how it was you other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread James Alexander
If both are accessible I've seen an extension that allowed you to claim your username. Saw it in action when Wowpedia forked from the Wikia Wowwiki and they let people claim their old usernames with an edit (and code in edit summary iirc) on the other wiki. James On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:03 PM,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows per Y time frame. Yes rebuilding the externallinks, links, and langlinks tables will take some additional time and wont scale. However I have been working with the toolserver since 2007 and Ive lost count of the number of time

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Event coordinators: how to create many accounts from 1 IP address

2012-05-16 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
K. Peachey, 17/05/2012 05:38: On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Before this guide gets distributed too widely, I'd think about its scalability. Shell requests can take weeks, months, or even years to get resolved, even when filed properly. Anyone in the world of tomorrow! can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Mike Dupont
Well to be honest, I am still upset about how much data is deleted from wikipedia because it is not "notable", there are so many articles that I might be interested in that are lost in the same garbage as spam and other things. We should make non notable articles and non harmful ones available in t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Anthony
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John wrote: > Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows per > Y time frame. Amazing. I need to switch all my databases to MySQL. It can insert X rows per Y time frame, regardless of whether the database is 20 gigabytes or 20 teraby

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread John
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 1:22 AM, John wrote: > > Anthony the process is linear, you have a php inserting X number of rows > per > > Y time frame. > > Amazing. I need to switch all my databases to MySQL. It can insert X > rows per Y time frame,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fire Drill Re: Wikimedia sites not easy to archive (Was Re: Knol is closing tomorrow )

2012-05-16 Thread Mike Dupont
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:06 AM, John wrote: > If your willing to foot the bill for the new hardware > Ill gladly prove my point given the millions of dollars that wikipedia has, it should not be a problem to provide such resources for a good cause like that. -- James Michael DuPont Member of F