Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank you for taking the time to explain, Chris. Actually we need some kind of good terms to replace some older terms, but the challenge is that they have to fit the current situation - or, as I understand you, to introduce a change of the current situation. Kind regards Ziko Am Di., 9. Apr. 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread camelia boban
Absolutely agree with Galder. WikiMedia is not only Wikipedia. Is not just an encyclopedia, but all other wiki projects. And is also a movement for openness, a philosophy, a way to do things. Means collaborations, partners, a lot of other staffs than an encyclopedia doesn't include. Camelia --

[Wikimedia-l] The Wikimedia search engine, a thought experiment

2019-04-10 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Our projects, our organisation is fractured. In the perception of many we are Wikipedia but in actuality there is no Wikipedia, there are over 180 Wikipedias. There are projects other than Wikipedia but for all kinds of reasons they are not known, as a brand they have little recognition. At

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Strainu
Pe marți, 9 aprilie 2019, Chris Keating a scris: > > At the occasion, we should also reconsider the expressions "chapter" > > and "user group". > > "Chapter" is more suitable for local divisions of a national > > association. And "user group" sounds just like some group. We also > > already have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I also think that there are some branding issues, but let me focus just in the opposite way: Wikimedia is not a bug, is a feature. When you say you represent WikiMedia, then someone asks about why an M ad not a P and gives you the opportunity to talk about our free knowledge ecosystem, that is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Andrew Lih
I agree with Galder's and Camelia's thoughts and believe we should slow down to think about this issue as a whole. We cannot, and should not, consider this purely a "branding" exercise because the internal and external risks go well beyond this. We need to carefully take them into consideration.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l
Thank Andrew for summing up all the issues around this rebranding issue. I really dont believe it should be done. I can’t see that this could be done without community consultation. I doubt all versions of wikipedia could agree in a unanimous move. How would Wikipedia be named if wikimedia

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Thanks Andrew for the insights. I agree with most of what you have proposed. Actually there's a way to make everything easier: The Wiki Foundation. But it would create new problems with non-WMF-wikis. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Michael Maggs
The OpenWiki Foundation? Michael > On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:51, Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga > wrote: > > Thanks Andrew for the insights. I agree with most of what you have proposed. > > Actually there's a way to make everything easier: The Wiki Foundation. But it > would create new problems

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread James Salsman
Is there a middle ground that would satisfy all the objections? E.g., "Wikipedias and media" as a brand identifier? On Wed, Apr 10, 2019 at 12:25 PM Natacha Rault via Wikimedia-l wrote: > > Thank Andrew for summing up all the issues around this rebranding issue. I > really dont believe it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Strainu
Andrew, While I appreciate your huge knowledge of English Wikipedia, this whole email - being so en.wp centric - sounds like an argument for simplification and for "going with the majority". Here is how I see it, as a member of a much smaller community. În mie., 10 apr. 2019 la 22:05, Andrew Lih

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals

2019-04-10 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
OpenWiki would be an even stranger and less known brand! ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: