Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Now that the Wikidatafication of Commons allows for "depicts", there is plenty to do. It will make it easier to find what is on Commons, it will hugely increase the relevance of Commons beyond the Wikimedia Foundation and within, it allows people to find illustrations in their own language

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Philippe Beaudette
But it won’t be. Wikipedia does a fine job of documenting a great deal of news: in an encyclopedic fashion. On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:48 AM Jennifer Pryor-Summers < jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Strainu, > > Simply leaving the world of news to others is not really an option for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Strainu
În mar., 16 apr. 2019 la 12:38, Dan Garry (Deskana) a scris: > > Splitting off the Wikinews discussion from the branding discussion... > > On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 at 07:52, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < > jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Compared to Wikitribune it is! But more importantly,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread David Gerard
I seem to recall seeing a thread on this list every few years about how to revive Wikinews and make it do something useful and interesting. In practice, it had a burst of enthusiasm for about six months after it started and then went pretty much dormant, and has been there ever since. - d. On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Strainu, Simply leaving the world of news to others is not really an option for the Foundation. Recall that its vision is that > By 2030, Wikimedia will become the essential infrastructure of the ecosystem of free knowledge, and anyone who shares our vision will be able to join us. It can't

[Wikimedia-l] timeline for Project Grants

2019-04-27 Thread Milan Dojchinovski
Hi all, does any of you have info on the deadline for the next project grants? As far as I remember, it was June, but at the moment there is no info on this at the official page. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Project Thanks, Milan -- Milan Dojchinovski http://dojchinovski.mk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Strainu
Pe sâmbătă, 27 aprilie 2019, Jennifer Pryor-Summers < jennifer.pryorsumm...@gmail.com> a scris: > Strainu, > > Simply leaving the world of news to others is not really an option for the > Foundation. The foundation doesn't really have a say in this. They might push really hard for a wiki, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

2019-04-27 Thread Abhinav srivastava
Congratulations South Korea ! On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 12:57, Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Congrats Korea! :-) > > On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:17, Roman Bustria Jr. > wrote: > > > In behalf of the East, Southeast Asia and the Pacific Regional > Cooperation > > (ESEAP) we would like to extend our

[Wikimedia-l] strategy working group questions

2019-04-27 Thread James Salsman
Okay, let's see how these go: CTO criteria: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working_Groups/Product_%26_Technology=19040328=18121474 Fundraising:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
> On Apr 27, 2019, at 4:44 PM, Strainu wrote: > > They might just as well employ a bunch of journalists to write > articles, it won't make it a successful project. > That certainly wouldn't be the worst use of funds... ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Philippe, Thank you for your points to which I generally can agree. Because this is an important matter to my, allow me to explain what I exactly mean. Of course, there are several tasks or layers where people can (and do) collaborate when working on journalistic content. But there is an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Hi Ziko, you could then argue that Commons is also not a collaborative project - only one person takes a picture (determines the story, the position, light etc), and others can at best perform some editing or add/remove categories. Cheers Yaroslav On Sat, Apr 27, 2019 at 11:29 AM Ziko van Dijk

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Yes indeed, Wikimedia Commons sees not much of collaboration in that sense. The collaboration on Commons is of an insular kind: people don't (much) edit other people's work, but they together contribute to the whole wiki. Different is collaboration where several people edit the same content and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Jennifer Pryor-Summers
Yaroslav I think you have identified an important point -- I hestitate to call it a problem -- about Commons. We are dependent on the authority of the uploader of an image, say, to say what it is an image of. If they say it is a certain locality, or object, we have to take their word for it (or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Dennis During
It would be nice if more Commons images HAD proper location and context info. As it is experts are often needed to identify meaningful content and categories. Those tasks are not the equivalent of minor copyediting, not that proofreading is a minor matter. IOW, Commons *needs* more collaborative

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Peter Southwood
There are many subjects of images that can be objectively assessed, so this comparison is not very accurate. In many cases the metadata provides verifiable information too. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Supporting Wikinews [was: Reviewing our brand system for our 2030 goals]

2019-04-27 Thread Ziko van Dijk
That is an excellent point, Jennifer! This problem makes collaboration on Commons even more difficult or unlikely. The photographer sometimes has an unique access to the part of the world he described with a picture. Often on Commons we simply ask the photographer: 'where did you take the