[Wikimedia-l] Cross-project promotion of Nordicism and white supremacist racial myths

2020-01-18 Thread
This week the creation of racial categories like "Nordic race A" was discussed on Commons. On digging further there is a fundamental problem with the way modern portraits of living people are being misused to "illustrate" these 1930s race myths. Rather than using available real archive material

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Earthfire and rustbuckets, can we please stop calling for people to be fired for doing their job, especially right after admitting that there is obviously more going on that we don't know about yet. No one's going to "start replacing employees" based on mailing list messages, so this kind of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Amir Sarabadani
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Pine W wrote: > > > I think that it's time for some people in WMF to move on. Without having > > access to WMF internal discussions So what you're saying is that you don't have lots of information on how it's decided [1] but you still feel informed enough to at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
… and people immediately went ballistic. Calm down and discuss the topic! The news reporting seems to be that Snøhetta has been awarded a full design project, while the page at Meta says it should act as some form of facilitator. It could be interesting to know what is correct, as these two

[Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
There are several reports of face recognition going mainstream, often in less than optimum circumstances, and often violating copyright and licenses https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/18/technology/clearview-privacy-facial-recognition.html

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin
Forwarding from a PC as simple text: 18.01.2020, 23:48, "Фархад Фаткуллин / Farhad Fatkullin" : > As one of the participants at Oslo workshops (two groups of Wikimedia > movement participants took part in on-site hands-on exercises on Jan.14-15 & > 15-16), I would say both statements are

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread John Erling Blad
People on another forum says portraits are personal data and use of them is a breach of Art. 6 GDPR Lawfulness of processing. This creates a problem in most European countries. This is a breach of privacy laws, and not a copyright issue.[1] Not sure how to interpret the local copyright law on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Recommendations and community conversations launching next week

2020-01-18 Thread Leila Zia
[writing at my personal capacity.] Hi Pine, On Fri, Jan 17, 2020 at 8:20 PM Pine W wrote: > > * I realize that a lot of time and money has been spent in the strategy > process to this point. I hope that there will be consensus on at least some > of the recommendations. True consensus based

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Snøhetta and Wikimedia

2020-01-18 Thread Samuel Klein
Interesting to see -- thanks for the pointer John! I like what I've seen of Snøhetta + their work, would love to hear more. On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 1:56 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > … and people immediately went ballistic. Calm down and discuss the topic! > > The news reporting seems to be that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Gergő Tisza
On Sat, Jan 18, 2020 at 3:55 PM John Erling Blad wrote: > People on another forum says portraits are personal data and use of > them is a breach of Art. 6 GDPR Lawfulness of processing. This creates > a problem in most European countries. This is a breach of privacy > laws, and not a copyright

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Benjamin Ikuta
Thanks for that. Pardon me if I've missed something, but that seems to imply, but not directly state, that AI training is a derivative work; could you clarify that? On Jan 18, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Ryan Merkley wrote: > [My comments are my own, and don’t reflect or suggest any official

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Face recognition

2020-01-18 Thread Ryan Merkley
[My comments are my own, and don’t reflect or suggest any official position from WMF] The NBC story linked below come out about a year ago. Around the same time, when I was CEO at Creative Commons, we published a statement and updated FAQs that attempted to respond to questions being asked