Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:56 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices > made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and > you make that plain in what you say. > This sort of assumption-making about other

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the exchange of arguments when you do not allow for reading and commenting on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Dear WereSpielChequers, the thing with bias is that it shows in the choices made. You are a Wikipedian, do not really care for the other projects and you make that plain in what you say. The problem with bias is that it has consequences in how you approach issues. When Wikipedia "consensus"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Ariel Glenn WMF
Thank you WereSpielChequers for writing so clearly and concisely what I have been struggling to put into words for some days. I understand that good faith efforts were made to investigate the usability of the terms "W" and "Wiki". [1] Once these wiki-related terms were off the table, the options

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
Dunning and Kruger identified the effect, unfortunately they did not identify a cure. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gerard Meijssen Sent: 29 June 2020 12:36 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gnangarra
It's not rocket science, ask an advertising/PR consulting company what they think about renaming, they are going to go with the easiest option that's the best known identity. It's a no brainer exercise of take the money and run. There is more to this community/movement than its choice of name,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
I get this: The connection has timed out The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking too long to respond. The site could be temporarily unavailable or too busy. Try again in a few moments. If you are unable to load any pages, check your computer’s network connection. If your computer

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
Is anyone else unable to get through to the Wikimedia servers? Cheers, Peter ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Hey, Can you elaborate more? I can access the website and graphs seems okay: https://grafana.wikimedia.org/d/RIA1lzDZk/application-servers-red-dashboard?orgId=1=now-3h=now On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:24 PM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > Is anyone else unable to get

[Wikimedia-l] Community open letter on renaming

2020-06-29 Thread Anders Wennersten
I want to express my gratitude to the people who have put up this letter on meta [1) I see it as a much more professional way of expressing movement opinions, then the usual Rfc's (that also already exist related to the 2030 movement brand project). I do like that both entities (Affiliates,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Dunning and Kruger have nothing to do with it; I am perfectly able to get it wrong. What you do is dismissive and you do not make a point. That makes it a fail by default. Thanks, GerardM On Mon, 29 Jun 2020 at 13:58, Peter Southwood wrote: > Dunning and Kruger identified the effect,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
So far it has been an ongoing process. No obvious reason to expect a change. Cheers, P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Dan Szymborski Sent: 28 June 2020 18:13 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Thanks. Can you please file a bug using this instructions? https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue (If you can't access it: https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue) (If you can't access even that:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Peter Southwood
That is plausible, I am in Cape Town P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Seddon Sent: 29 June 2020 16:40 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers From reports I am seeing on facebook

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Joseph Seddon
From reports I am seeing on facebook it seems this problem is localised on our Africa based users? Regards Seddon On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 3:05 PM Peter Southwood < peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > I get this: > > The connection has timed out > > The server at en.wikipedia.org is taking

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks WSC; elegantly put. On survey process: seconding what others have said, if you have gotten ~1000 of a desired 4000 responses, and haven't asked two questions that you realize are essential, yes it is absolutely worth running a new survey w the new options. You can even identify

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Amir Sarabadani
Africa's traffic goes to Amsterdam datacenter (even South Africa)[1], if that datacenter had issues, Europe would go dark too. I bring it up with people. [1]: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Clusters On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:41 PM Joseph Seddon wrote: > From reports I am seeing on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Chris Danis
Hi, I've done some looking around and don't see evidence of widespread issues with connectivity to Wikimedia from either Telekom ZA, or Africa in general. For any users who are having troubles, please see https://wikitech-static.wikimedia.org/wiki/Reporting_a_connectivity_issue Even if you

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia servers

2020-06-29 Thread Chris Danis
An update: there *do* appear to be issues with Telkom SA (AS 37457) being able to reach Wikimedia; I've reached out to their network operations center. Despite more investigation I did not find evidence of issues at other African ISPs. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:57 AM Peter Southwood <

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread
Agreed. Gerard, WSC is a fantastic advocate for our projects, I recall us working together on the first Commons based editathon many years ago, it was a privilege to become friends with someone genuinely passionate for public education and open knowledge. These personal comments are misleading

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread Nathan
On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 6:36 AM Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Just analyse the text, read the arguments. When you express an opinion, it > warrants analysis. When this is not permitted it follows that you can not > argue based on what people state. To what extend do you allow for the >

[Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice: Gerard Meijssen

2020-06-29 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear list subscribers, In my volunteer capacity as list-admin, I write to let you know that subscriber Gerard Meijssen has been placed on indefinite moderation after making toxic comments to another subscriber, and failing to apologize for them after it was pointed out to him. Gerard had been

[Wikimedia-l] EduWiki Leaders, and This month in Education, June 2020

2020-06-29 Thread Sailesh Patnaik
Hey everyone, Did you know that: Parvathishri from India is using Wikimedia projects to spread awareness on digital literacy? or about Helena Dvořáková from Czech Republic as she is working to support senior editors through Wiki Clubs in Prague? or about Oleh Kushch from Ukraine who is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Moderation notice: Gerard Meijssen

2020-06-29 Thread Nathan
Asaf, Thank you for notifying the list. I have read Gerard's posts to this list since 2007, and it's a safe bet that his thousands of messages make him the single most prolific contributor to this list since it was created. I appreciate that the moderators felt compelled to act, but I find the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board update on Branding: next steps

2020-06-29 Thread James Salsman
Hi Zack, I filled out a survey request for "The Wiki Foundation". Some of the text of the survey indicated that the legal department thought that there could be a problem with that possibility, but didn't say why, so I asked for the source for the claim I quoted in the survey. How many