[Wikimedia-l] Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Anass Sedrati
Hello all, This might not be relevant for all, but since we are a global movement striving for equity between all humans, I would like to share a reflection regarding the situation of some of us, and the challenges that are unfortunately not yet solved, although we are familiar with them since yea

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Mardetanha
Thanks anass, I am sympathetic to this occurrence, as I have suffered from this issue for a long time, I urge all event organizers to take this into consideration and plan as early as possible. Mohsen Mardetanha On Tue, Aug 16, 2022 at 2:43 PM Anass Sedrati wrote: > Hello all, > > This might n

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread eheidel
Thanks Anass for bringing this up! It's a very frustrating situation for community members to deal with visas. It's also worth noting that in certain cases there are places that request a visa from certain countries, but do not have an Embassy in the country they are requesting the visa from --

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread WereSpielChequers
I'm sorry to hear about this. We all lose out when a multi national event excludes large parts of the world. This has come up in the past several times and some partial solutions have been discussed. We need to build in enough time in the process for people who need visas to get them after they k

[Wikimedia-l] Re: @Wikipedia losing opportunities in Twitter

2022-08-16 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
Dear all, Some weeks ago, we had a discussion here about the different approaches we have for the @wikipedia account at Twitter. We don't know yet how many interactions does the account has, but as I said in the discussion, we try to find ways to measure our work at @euwikipedia. Today I want to

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Eric Luth
I agree with the others that you are raising a really important point, Anass. Thanks for that. I have tried to support visa applicants to two international Wikimedia events in Stockholm, the Wikimedia Diversity Conference in 2017 and Wikimania in 2019. It was frustrating even for me as organizer,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Samuel Klein
A movement-wide visa group could help streamline these contacts to embassies, and to local services in each country that can help speed the process. Different sorts of invitations can help, letters of invitation can be issued earlier than programs are finalized... help from the side of the invitin

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Bodhisattwa
Hi Anass, Regarding the particular incident with Wikimedia Summit, I would suggest your representative to communicate with the conference organizing team directly about not getting any date of appointment before the conference and they will contact with respective embassies and consulates. Like th

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Gnangarra
Agree with Bodhi here, contact WMDE they have been doing this conference for many years and should have the networks to help get your application for a visa processed. On Tue, 16 Aug 2022 at 22:20, Bodhisattwa wrote: > Hi Anass, > > Regarding the particular incident with Wikimedia Summit, I woul

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Iolanda Pensa
Maybe those documents can be relevant for the discussion: The learning pattern by Wikimedia Deutschland about the visa process written in 2017 - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Learning_patterns/Timing,_Communication,_Preparation:_How_to_support_your_event_participants_in_the_best_way_to_get_a_S

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Mohammed Bachounda
Hello, There is always a country that is accessible for some and difficult for others, yet I experienced the same situation this year, and I was pushed to make difficult decisions to cancel with continuous stress. I add that some visas are issued with only one entry and a duration of only one wee

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Željko Blaće
This is sad to hear and brings back memories of filling similarly myself. To keep thinks very pragmatic I would advise that IFA.de and/or local Goethe Institute be contacted and invited to both part take and help with this. Both are likely to be willing and interested in support WMDE as they do cu

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread ZhaoFJx
Visa policies are not only time-consuming and labor-intensive, but also confusing. Not only that, but some people may also be stopped at customs. Diplomatic relations between some countries have deteriorated, and visas may be refused outright. COVID-19 may also be an important factor affecting visa

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Mike Peel
Hi, Rather than worrying about visa problems, why not use the experiences we've learnt over the last few years with virtual meetings? Make sure that the meeting is fully hybrid - with remote attendees being able to participate equally with those in person? Wouldn't that be a fairer approach t

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Risker
Anass raises a critical point. As a community, we are broadly diverse and inclusive; however, that does not eliminate either intentional or unintentional biases that are external to our own organization. This was an issue *before* 2020, and some methods had been found to mitigate the impact of pol

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Risker
I see where you are coming from, Mike. At the same time, there is something fundamentally different about an in-person event. From my own experience, some of the most valuable learnings I have taken from in-person events have been completely unplanned; in particular, developing personal relationsh

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Mike Peel
Hi Risker, I broadly agree - there are a lot of benefits from in-person meetings, mostly from spontaneous meetings, but not so much for the actual program! Different people also work in very different ways. With your second point, internet connectivity problems, interface challenges, and find

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Reflections about Visa situation for Wikimedians

2022-08-16 Thread Bobby Shabangu
Thanks for raising this important issue Anass. We've all been victims of this problem, and I need to say it's a waste of resources and time for everyone involved - administration that goes into flight and hotel reservations for a person who won't come because of a visa. Time consumed by the ups and