Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-24 Thread Aron Manning
On Sun, 25 Aug 2019 at 00:48, Dennis During wrote: > The sad fact is that the only way the larger community would be likely to > take such proposals seriously would be if there were an imminent deadline. > Unfortunately, it is hard to take the imminent deadline seriously given the > absence of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-24 Thread Dennis During
Every participant in an iterative multi-party process likes to be the last. In a certain sense the larger community will be the last. They can opt to abandon the movement. But for those volunteers who will be loyal to the movement, it is the far-away Board has the last look and final say-so.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-24 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, the "Recommendations" are a problem because we are so late in the strategy process. They are supposed to give the community a chance for community input. If the quality of the "Recommendations" is so poor, then the chance for the community to give substantial input is very limited. In this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-22 Thread Nicole Ebber
Hi Ziko and all, Thanks for sharing your concerns and suggestions. I have posted a response to the other thread and hope to have addressed your questions there as well. Let me know if you need further clarification. https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2019-August/093303.html Best

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-18 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 22:07, Jeff Hawke wrote: > "Open community input will be accepted until September 15, after which > working groups will refine and finalize their work using movement input as > I expect the drafts to be revised for new rounds of feedback within that timeframe. In one week

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-18 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
To be more precise: on September 15 Working Group members, the Board of Trustees Members, and all Chiefs of the Foundation will convene in Tunis for a sprint to discuss these materials. The working groups will have a lot of work to do to come up with something that convinces decision makers to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-17 Thread Jeff Hawke
gests that they really do need review, to avoid some > really > > bad stuff getting passed. > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-17 Thread Aron Manning
On Sat, 17 Aug 2019 at 09:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > Do you speak for one or more working groups in an official or > semi-official capacity? > I don't think it would make sense, if a WG member would write this. I speak my opinion as an editor. To be clear: I meant I assume the WMF will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-17 Thread Peter Southwood
] On Behalf Of Aron Manning Sent: 16 August 2019 21:20 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider! I appreciate that there is an attempt to start conversations. These are drafts of recommendations, that implies at least 1 more

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-16 Thread Aron Manning
boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Ziko van Dijk > Sent: 16 August 2019 16:51 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please > reconsider! > > Let's put it this way: The "recommendations" have bee

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-16 Thread Peter Southwood
Sent: 16 August 2019 16:51 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider! Let's put it this way: The "recommendations" have been presented as a kind of "Beta". But the actual status looks more like "Alpha&q

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-16 Thread Ziko van Dijk
media-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta > Sent: 15 August 2019 13:10 > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please > reconsider! > > I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Peter Southwood
] On Behalf Of Paulo Santos Perneta Sent: 15 August 2019 13:10 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider! I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Philip Kopetzky
Hey Ziko, I'm sure you yourself can point out the recommendations that are based on a year of deliberations and research than those that are not. It is pretty hard work to gather all the feedback from the last year as well as analyse, weight and incorporate it into the final recommendations. This

[Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the future of the movement. These documents are the result of one year of work of the working groups. If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers